I cannot believe Democrats here are smearing Hillary with the same crap the rw used to smear Kerry.

[Skip Intro]

This crap about her disrespecting the troops by a screwed up claim is the same damn thing the rw did to Kerry over his "botched joke."

It was bullshit then and it's bullshit now.


Boggles the fucking mind this "anti-troop" bs has caught on here at DU.

[blonndee]

1. That she doesn't have the military experience she claims to have and really does have?

:shrug:

[niceypoo]

78. Now they have fine tuned it to 'military experience'

When will Obama supporters stop projecting and start talking policy?

[blonndee]

91. Except that the original OP had no text

but thanks for the unnecessary snark. Adds a lot to GDP! :)

[roguevalley]

101. I 'smear' her with the truth. She is a liar and used the troops for

political ends.

[Drachasor]

2. It wasn't a sentence that was poorly constructed like Kerry; She made up a military encounter!

How are those two things even in the same ballpark to you?

Edit: Was "Examples" with no text. I have changed this post after the OP added their charge to the OP.

[blm]

100. Kerry dropped a pronoun - Hillary LIED FOUR TIMES about Bosnia. Same thing in Clinton world?

Gee - then I suppose - since it's the same - that Kerry should publicly SCOLD Clinton and join the RW smear just as HIllary smeared Kerry..... for a DROPPED PRONOUN.

[QC]

3. Who says they're Democrats? n/t

[cliffordu]

4. I cannot believe Hillary is still lying about her air assault in Bosnia

[Johnny__Motown]

5. The RW distorted facts to smear Kerry, Hillary distorted these facts herself, she is more like the

RW than we are.


If either she or the RW had simply told the truth things would be better for all of us.

[niceypoo]

80. Smearing the Cliintons is the MO of Obama supporters...

Because, apparently, they haven't a leg to stand on policy wise.

[yardwork]

90. Nonsense. Pointing out a lie is not "smearing."

[EFerrari]

105. Smearing the Clintons is the MO of the Clintons

because they're losing and their smears are failing and just blowing back.

They really need to gather up what remains of their dignity and stop this. They've pissed off the base, the super delegates and the party leadership.

[texshelters]

111. Nice poo

but untrue. If people listened to Obama and looked at his website, he has lots of policy position. My favorite is his commitment to spend 150 billion dollars to rebuild infrastructure around the country.

Besides, how is talking about Clinton's exagerrating her experience a smear?

Tell me please, because I'm just a confused zombie who can't stand all that truth Clinton done be telling!

Tex Shelters

[intaglio]

113. Pot - meet kettle

except look who starts the smears - then whines about "sexism" when called on it

[ClassWarrior]

She did it to Kerry too at the time.

Hung him out to dry.

NGU.

[Skip Intro]

8. Just not true. She tried to refocus attention on Dems winning that Nov. Any links to your claims?

[Johnny__Motown]

14. This one???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg

she kinda sounds lke shrub

[JI7]

27. and what Hillary has said is inappropriate and she needs to end the campaign

[Jim Sagle]

81. You wish.

[texshelters]

112. One can dream

for an end to the Bush nightmare along with Clinton.

Tex Shelters

[JI7]

15. she said what he did was inappropriate as if it was intentional

i can't believe any Hillary supporter would use what happened to Kerry with the botched joke to defend Hllary.

[Johnny__Motown]

17. I think it is clear that Kerry Misspoke.. actually did Misspeak.. for really and truly.. misspoke

[Skip Intro]

22. Oh, but I do. Many Dems called on Kerry to apologize. She refused to do so.

Yes. Thanks. I admire her for that.

It was inappropriate. I beleive Kerry said as much at the time.

This was just several weeks until the election. Pressure was on for Kerry to apologize, Hillary or not. She did not, however, call on him to apologzie. Read the quote in context. Her point was that this eposide, as rw bs as it may have been, should not knock them off balance or caus them to lose focus on winning in November.

Hard for me to believe that's too hard to understand.

[JI7]

23. so what she said was inappropriate and she should step down

[Skip Intro]

30. Where do you get that from? She didn't call on Kerry to step down.

wtf are you talking about

[Drachasor]

24. Not being as bad as some people does not make you good

Personally, in the clip someone just provided, I think McCain's stance was far nicer to Kerry than Hillary's.

[Skip Intro]

32. She didn't ask him to apologize or step down. Many did. Disturbed that mccain is appealing to you...

[JI7]

34. the Dems who wanted him to apologize did so to make the issue go away

not because they thought he would actually attack the troops.

Hillary on the other hand implied Kerry did attack the troops.

[Skip Intro]

40. What in the hell are you talking about?

You're stretching so hard to pin some bs charge on her. Twisting and turning, Make it stick.

Sheesh, take a break.

[JI7]

42. i'm not twisting anything, i'm referring to what SHE SAID

she said what he said was inappropriate and in a tone that made it seem as if what he said was intentionally an attack rather than him just fucking up a word in a joke.

[karynnj]

87. What does "inappropriate" mean?

Is it inappropriate to skip a word reading from note cards? No, and anyone who speaks often does it - and most often, the right thing to do is to just continue - as Kerry did. The crowd itself hearing it in context got it as what it was - a jab at Bush for not preparing for the war.

Is it inappropriate to say that Bush did not prepare for the peace before attacking. No one here had a problem with Kerry doing that daily in 2004.

So what could he have done that deserved the word "inappropriate"? The only possibility is that she is backing the right wing line.

She stabbed him in the back - period - he clearly considers it politics. (I do think it would have been fair had she made a comment that it was a gaffe or that he misspoke - and attacked him on that. Where it crossed the line is that it accused him of something he would never have done.)

[karynnj]

85. Exactly

[Drachasor]

37. Are you saying it is disturbing if anything McCain does is appealing to me?

Because there are a fair number of things he has done that I think most of us would largely approve of, such as campaign finance reform.

His statement on the matter was not an attack on Kerry in content or tone; Hillary's was. It is my opinion, on that basis, that McCain had the better statement. If you want to disagree with me, then tell me where my reasoning has gone astray in your view.

[Skip Intro]

43. She did not attack Kerry. Kerry himself apologized. How is what she said

an attack?

[JI7]

47. because she accused him of saying something inappropriate rather than fucking up a word

in a joke.

i think the Democratic Party should come out and respond to Hillary's statements on Bosnia by saying "what Hillary Clinton said was inappropriate" .

[ClassWarrior]

65. Kerry apologized when no one came to his defense. Including Tonya.

NGU.

[karynnj]

88. But his apology was directed to the military and the veterans

and was if they were hurt for how this was spun and was issued before HRC attacked him. He made the point on Imus that you don't botch jokes on purpose - it makes you look dumb. He never said or wrote anything that apologized for the type of things he was accused of - because he didn't do them.

[karynnj]

84. Kerry NEVER EVER said it was inappropriate

Do you know what the word means, and thus what that admission would mean. Skipping a word from a note card is NOT inappropriate. That is what Kerry did and what Kerry, early the next day when the issue surfaced explained. Kerry in fact blasted the RW smear - as did a few Democrats (including surprisingly Carville). The only other thing Kerry did - possibly in response to genuine heartfelt comments from military people that were on his blog from people who he clearly meant something to who were hurt - was to issue a statement that he apologized to any military or veterans hurt by the way the RW spun his comment. Both reject the interpretation that he dissed the troops - one VERY explicitly the other more implicitly.

HRC stabbed Kerry in the back in that statement - it could be inappropriate only if she believed that he dissed the troops as the Republicans said OR if she thought it inappropriate to criticize Bush for not planning for the various contingencies or the peace before invading. The word inappropriate has meanings. That this dealt with people Kerry has genuinely cared for for decades, made it heartless on HRC's part. She apparently forgot how Kerry eloquently came to Bill clinton's defense when his patriotism was challenged in 1992. (link to speech - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=5197294 ) As to supporting the troops, Kerry isn't the one who wrote a letter speaking of "loathing the military".

That Kerry later defended her when the RW attacked her over her demand for an exit plan, shows he is a better person than I would be.

[ClassWarrior]

19. Sure. Ironically it also quotes Tonya's prayer group buddy, Rick Sanctimonium.

"Sen. Hillary Clinton called the statement 'inappropriate.'"

http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-23798981_ITM

NGU.

[Skip Intro]

26. Wow. What a way to take something out of context. One line quote. AND

you try to tie her to santorum.


on what planet does that kind of logic work?

[ClassWarrior]

46. Actually, the link below ties her to Sanctimonium, and Inhofe, and Brownback...

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09/hillarys-prayer.html

And you don't need more than a one line quote with all the other replies on here. It's obvious most folks remember it like it happened.

NGU.

[Warren Stupidity]

72. Indeed she did. Which is one reason I do not support her now.

That however does not make it right to do it to her.

[LakeSamish706]

6. Hillary and her campaign bring any smear they get here or elsewhere on themselves. n/t

[Bensthename]

7. B.S. The press has gave her a pass compaired to Obama. And you know it.

[Skip Intro]

9. The press has given Hillary a pass???

:rofl:

[Bensthename]

25. Let's consider the Wright story (Wright's words) Vs. Ireland LIE, 9/11 LIE, and Bosnia LIE..

These were some HUGE FUCKING LIES that barely even get touched.

Obama's pastor had 30 seconds of sound bites from the past 20 years of Obamas experience at that church. The media chose to replay those tapes 24/7 for 10 days. NOT OBAMAS WORDS. He does not think like that. He stayed for the other 99.9% of the time spent talking about God and probably some expected church politics.

Figure that shit out?

Imagine if the media played this as much as the Wright tape. She would lose PA and all other remaining states guarenteed. She has the media on her side no doubt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BfNqhV5hg4

[MonkeyFunk]

10. They've been doing it for months

Nothing surprises me anymore.

[JI7]

11. Hillary sided with the right wing on the botched joke

[scheming daemons]

12. Kerry didn't repeat the joke FOUR TIMES at FOUR DIFFERENT LOCATIONS....

...sorry.... not equivalent at all.

[joshcryer]

13. Statistically speaking, most people smearing her are Independents or Democrats, not just Democrats.

And I'd wager a good deal of them never really cared about the political process any more than a bit of drama here and there. Hillary is getting smears 10x worse than Dean ever got here.

[sfam]

16. You've got the spelling wrong. She's disrespecting the "truth" not the troops...

That she tells tall tales about her enemy engagement with sniper fire, and perhaps throwing a hand granade by next week at this rate, does not disrespect the troops. It does however disrespect the truth. And no, this was not a sleep deprivation situation as she's said the same thing 4 separate times over the course of more than a month. Had she stopped equivocating she could have just taken a few lumps and left it at that, but instead she won't budge an inch EVEN when there is even more film correlating things.

[Beacool]

18. Their insistence on attacking Hillary on personal terms will backfire.

It's a delusion to think that a great majority of Hillary supporters will sing Kumbaya and run like lemmings in Nov. to vote for Obama. Particularly if she gets forced out of the race before all the remaining states cast their votes.

[Skip Intro]

33. I agree completely.

[Beacool]

36. They don't want to believe it,

but from personal campaign experience, the internals plus the other various polls, there's too much bitterness and some of it won't go away. Specially if many feel that she's been thrown under the bus by the party. This is not a typical election due to the historical aspect of it and people are passionate about their candidate.

[karynnj]

75. That goes to both sides -

It is also true that HRC started with the advantages - It was her campaign that was endlessly called "flawless". For 8 years, he Senate work has been summarized in a way to fit the narrative needed - that she was humble, took a back role, worked well with others and gradually became a leader. She started with the name recognition and benefited from holding the position, that by tradition, is treated very favorably by everyone in the President's party. Look at Laura's popularity among Republicans, Independents and even many non- DU Democrats. (She was attacked by the far right) The huge numbers of states on February 5 benefited her - not just because she had the name recognition and was expected to have far more money, but the big states included all the best Clinton ones. The narrative the media was prepared for was an easy HRC nomination victory.

Her team, and possibly HRC herself, are angry that VOTERS have chosen Obama over her. The expressed anger over Richardson is likely what both Kennedy and Kerry faced. Nobody referred to Bradley being "thrown under the bus" when virtually all official Democrats endorsed Gore before NH - including the MA Senators, who were closer ideologically to Bradley and Gore won all the primaries. Even in 2004, there were fewer comments at the time that anyone was "thrown under the bus" (Dean had far more endorsements and superdelegates going into Iowa)

The "historical" thing bothers me - if HRC were losing because people were rejecting her because she is a woman or if Obama was losing because he was black, I could see it - but that is NOT what is happening. Nor do I think that the candidates have a deeper connection with their supporters than is usual. I think the Dean supporters in 2004 were every bit as committed to him. I think the bigger difference is the greater nastiness in this long drawn out primary that has pushed people in to warring camps!

[tabasco]

35. Then go vote McCain and join the Army.

Don't complain about what you get if you get your little feelings hurt because your pet candidate didn't get the nod.

[Beacool]

41. Your patronizing attitude is not helpful.

It goes beyond Hillary. Plenty of people feel that Obama is not prepared to be president at this point in time and will rather vote for the most experienced person. So, if Hillary is not the nominee they'll rather go for McCain.

[apocalypsehow]

55. People who post juvenile bilge deserve to be "patronized": Grown-ups don't act like that.

And I find this statement priceless: "So, if Hillary is not the nominee they'll rather go for McCain"

So, "they'd" rather perpetuate this useless, bloody war and all the horrors of a third Bush term (which is exactly what a McCain administration would be) because "their" candidate didn't get her coronation?

Well. I've got some choice words for this vague, murky, not very clearly identified "they" you talk about: fuck off. This country deserves much better than a third Bush term: get over yourselves and your candidate's sense of entitlement.

[karynnj]

74. It is common for people to leave the race when they no longer

can reasonably expect to win. It is often only the candidates who never had a shot at winning who stay in - like Kuchinich in 2004.

If you take 2004 as an example, Edwards was still running hard in late February. At this point, Kerry had won 16 primaries, Edwards only SC and all were won by more than 10%. Kerry was ahead in polls for the states the next week by double digits. At that point, Kerry was more likely to be the nominee than Obama is now. There were NO calls for him to pull out and there was a delusional NYT op-ed that suggested he could still win. The difference? In 2004, Kerry was on target to easily win the pledged delegates - which I think he did that next week and though Edwards was attacking him (saying his healthcare and environmental plans were too expensive - charges Kerry easily batted away), Edwards was not comparing Kerry negatively to Bush or attacking his character. There was no damage being done with Edwards staying in. Here, the argument that the perception of a fight brought attention.

This year is different than any race in my lifetime - in that no race went through this many states with the person running second this close to the person winning. This would be less a problem if the race was what most of us always thought it was - based only on the primaries and caucuses. I have followed politics since the 1960s and I was never aware of the role of superdelegates - as they never really had one. (I know Mondale needed them, but in 1984, there was no where the discussion this year.)

That gets to the other difference. Some of us who support Obama think that the Clintons have stepped over the line and are intentionally damaging Obama, who at this point has a stronger chance of winning than she does, We see the damage done to the favorable and unfavorable ratings of both of our candidates - while McCain's move in the other direction. In fact, the positive message that has hit home the most from the Democrats is the Clintons' repeated praise of McCain's CIC readiness and character. This does not help us in November.

[JI7]

20. that's kind of fucked up, after the way Hillary and her supporters attacked Kerry

over the botched joke they now use it to show how she is a victim.

[EFerrari]

21. The difference is that Kerry WAS the troops and Hillary only smiled at them.

Please.

She's the one that tarred our troops in the first place, claiming that she'd been in danger.

John Kerry ran a clean campaign. There is no effing comparison.

[karynnj]

76. Just looking at pictures of Kerry with the troops and HRC with them,

they know the difference. In the Kerry photos, there is always at least some interaction - they are engaged with him. The HRC pictures never have that sense - they seem mostly to be the pictures of her smiling at the camera surrounded by soldiers a step behind her.

[EFerrari]

103. That's a really good point. The sad thing is that Clinton diminishes

her own contribution with these "misstatements". WHO is telling her to do this? I just want to slap that person and I've never slapped anyone. lol

[LittleClarkie]

28. He fucked up one word. She told the same false story at least four times

It's a bit different.

Meanwhile, welcome to the karmic boomerang.

Perhaps she shouldn't have thrown him under the bus over that botched joke.

[Eric J in MN]

49. She was trying to show her own bravery.

She wasn't trying to bash the troops.

(Neither was John Kerry.)

[jgraz]

53. It's called "theft of valor"

And nothing pisses off actual combat veterans more than someone pretending that they were under fire.

[Elidor]

29. It's pretty amazing, isn't it?

I just about fell over when I saw it. I keep saying that small differences between brothers are much harder fought than huge differences with strangers, but we're really scorching all the earth now.

[la la]

31. Ah- the hate-

too many haters here lately. bitter haters.

[Life Long Dem]

38. Clinton lied. Kerry told a joke.

[bridgit]

45. No, he was for it before he was against it...er'somethin...

:(

[dailykoff]

39. Call it poetic justice

but don't blame Kerry for Hillary's lies.

[McCamy Taylor]

50. I call it crass opportunism.

[JI7]

44. the entire Democratic Party should come out as Hillary did during Kerry's botched joke

and say what "Hillary said was inappropriate" in that same tone and manner she spoke.

[McCamy Taylor]

48. Gore and Kerry. Exact same crap. Milbank said "Gore said he invernted the internet"

on Countdown last night and KO just nodded his head and said "That was closer to the truth"

Gore never said he invented the internet. Lying media whores like Milbank made it up. And Margaret Carlson that he had on tonight said that they did not want to cross check W.'s debate responses for errors and lies even though they knew he made them. It was "too much fun" attacking Gore.

And the MSM still won't call Bush a liar over WMDs. Hell, they will hardly admit the Watergate cover up was a lie and they never admit that the illegal incursion into Cambodia was a lie.

But when Hillary remembers something wrong after 12 years that is a "lie".

Give me a break.

[bridgit]

51. No Shit!! There's apparently nothing that will stop Dems from pulling the wheels off their own bus..

*while in motion* and driving it right off the fucking cliff

[EFerrari]

52. Don't blame Democrats for what Hillary is doing to herself AND to us.

[bridgit]

Well now isn't this just too so very interesting; Obama claims to be the blank slate onto which...

people scribble their void and/or pithy, question-less projections onto...yet the face keeps coming up HRC!? What a fucking hoot! Why do you suppose that is? Isn't it time to start letting go? Not every woe this world labors under is the resultant of either H. or B. Clinton...let it go. Start to coalesce. Criminy! This shit gets really shrieking old.

[EFerrari]

59. Obama didn't write the OP. Did you notice that?

The OP objected to Clinton being called on her manipulative, lying bullshit and compared it to the smearing of John Kerry.

The problem is, Clinton really is a fake where John Kerry was a decorated veteran.

It must get old to mangle facts as you people do.

[bridgit]

60. I am completely aware that you consider your opinions & positions to be beyond...

reproach, sacrosanct. Kerry...is a BO supporter. Surely you are aware of that? You are not able to separate the two. When in a flutter between Kerry & HRC, you are called upon; compelled to choose Kerry. BO, in his book, suggests he is a blank page onto which people write whatever it is their hopes & dreams may be...that alone is quite a claim, nevertheless...Kerry, is already a shape upon that page by virtue of his support, no-less than as a graphic image, or literary mechanism...my thought that Kerry is clearly a bit more than that. My further thought is that you know it too. Yet...

In spite of your candidate's call for hope,

In spite of your candidate's call for change,

In spite of your candidate's call for you to include your hopes & your dreams onto his blank page...

"you people" continually, predictably, and without hesitation draw in the face of a scowling HRC. Or in some instances the penis of Bill Clinton; why is that?

Why do "you people" do that over & over again?

Cause my sense is that there's an oddity taking place. Like trying to lay an egg sideways, Oy!

[EFerrari]

62. When your argument fails, resort to personal attack and pseudo logic. n/t

[bridgit]

63. If the shoe fits wear it n/t

[EFerrari]

64. You've yet to address the OP.

Whatever. Maybe that's just the new low around here.

[bridgit]

66. That's easy as pie, though you aren't able to digest it. Both HRC & Kerry have been maliagned...

at one point or another, though HRC for years on end. BO is the only one *allowed* to rise above it all. Get real.

[karynnj]

94. Actually Kerry has been maligned for far longer than HRC

and did not have the platform of the WH to respond from. Nixon is not on tape telling people to "destroy" HRC. Nor did HRC take on Reagan's illegal arming and funding of the Contras .. out of Arkansas. Kerry did - and he was labeled a "randy conspiracy nut" by Newsweek for doing it. The pattern is that the things the RW has attacked Kerry on is when he courageously fought the government when it was wrong - and history has shown he was right.

As to the instances in the op - accept it HRC made the story up or she is delusional - take your pick; Kerry made the extremely innocent, human error of skipping a word on a note card - for which HRC attacked him.

[karynnj]

93. This is twisted - the op was written by a Clinton supporter as

the poster you are responding to claimed. That OP attempts to equate Kerry's leaving out one word to Clinton's making up a story and telling it 4 times. They are in fact - attempting to use the fact that the treatment of Kerry on that was unfair to make the case that the attacks on HRC are equally unfair. Leaving aside the irony of her own actions on the Kerry joke, they are not equivilent.

1) Kerry genuinely left out one word - and the intended text was given to local media before the speech.
2) HRC's story was her prepared text - 4 times.
3) Kerry's case does not reflect on his integrity, honesty or genuineness - HRC's does.
4) HRC excuses her making up a story 4 times on being "human", yet she coldly condemned Kerry for the very "human" error of skipping a 2 letter word when he lost his place on a note card. (In Kerry's case - being human works; in HRC's case she might as well have said nothing. There is no good way to explain this.)

This also has very little to do with Kerry having endorsed Obama. Kerry is a leader in his own right - and you CAN separate him and Obama. In fact, it is the HRC supporter OP attempting to use Kerry to ask people not to fault Clinton.

[bridgit]

96. 'This crap about her disrespecting the troops by a screwed up claim is the same damn thing...

'...the rw did to Kerry over his "botched joke."

It was bullshit then and it's bullshit now.


Boggles the fucking mind this "anti-troop" bs has caught on here at DU.'

This is one of the simplest OP's to understand here at DU, at least for me. There's no need to read into it any more than what you see right there. But that will not stop BO supporters from doing just that. I have responded to it twice; once at my own volition, and another when called upon to do so. But here's the real deal. The other has determined it below her station, her loft in life to answer my question. That question now befalls you having interjected yourself in so gymnastic a manner as I see this morning. Here is; what is now *your* question:

Why are BO supporters so negative, so vile, so mean spirited in contravention of so gloriously unique a candidate as they perceive before them as Barack Obama?

Answer my question.

[karynnj]

98. I am a Kerry supporter, more than I am an Obama supporter

though almost by default I supported Obama before Kerry endorsed him.

I would see a problem if people said of HRC the stuff they said of Kerry - in 2004 or 2006. I do think that HRC's untrue story reflected badly on the military. I don't think that was the intent - the intent was to make HRC look tougher. It was a huge error on the part of her campaign. The truth actually looked nice - she made connections there and connections help. The fake story has obviously irritated soem of the military people involved. I agree that many here, for political reasons, are trying to make it into a cause celebre. But, it's hard in a thread that pulls in Kerry's botched joke, to take the high ground. HRC did not do so in 2006 - and she is not an anonymous person on a message board. The OP was tone deaf to this - not realizing that mentioning HRC with the joke, pulls scabs off a wound that was difficult to heal for many of us.

Now as to your question:
There are negative, mean spirited people on both sides - and I have alerted on both Obama and HRC people. I actually have MORE problem with obnoxious pro- Obama posts. Why? I think that poster of that type hurt their candidate. No one is ever going to be convinced if they are for HRC or even if they are on the fence by those types of attacks. They are not only disgusting, but they don't work.

Some of the negative Obama posts now are a reflexion of the anger that Obama supporters feel against a candidate who literally said that she would throw the "kitchen sink" at Obama. (I always thought it was everything but the kitchen sink, but Clintons I guess go the additional step.) Have you ever heard a threat like this in the PRIMARIES. There is a problem when McCain has a Bill Clinton clip on his web site. (Incidentally - Clinton people should be lobbying Clinton to demand it be taken down - as McCain did with the defense he gave Kerry.)

PS "gymnastically" ??????? LOL

[bridgit]

109. Understood, peace...

[Skip Intro]

54. I guess this is the video people are using to damn Hillary? If so, look again -

report from Larry King Live, a pieced together report with Hillary NOT asking Kerry to apologize sandwiched in between mccain and bush demanding he apologize. They said it, she didn't.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg

[JI7]

56. Democrats should respond in the same manner as she did

on what she has done.

[Skip Intro]

58. What, exaclty, do you think she's "done."

[EmilyAnne]

57. A botched joke is not a lie.

As soon as Sinbad came out with his version of the Bosnia trip, she should have been gracious enough to review this experience with her advisors. After consulting with the witnesses, such as the pilot and CBS, she would have then seen that she was wrong and that she had misspoken. She could have quickly apologized with plenty of room to take the high road.

Instead, she dismisses a lovable comedian by disputing his account and calling him just comedian. She does not examine the possibility that she was wrong and continues with the lie. Many times.

The thing is, I am perfectly willing to accept that a person can misremember things. That includes me. If I told a story of ducking sniper fire and a person who was with me at the time disputed it, I would want to talk to that person and the others who were with me FIRST. Hillary's FIRST response was to lash out. That is what disgusts me about this story.

What disgusts my father, a Vietnam veteran who was, indeed, shot at by snipers is his opinion that you can't misremember such an experience....but add to that experience the presence of your only child (Chelsea) and the experience would have become much more unforgettable.

[backscatter712]

61. Sorry, but her lies about her trip to Bosnia were disrespectful. n/t

[Crunchy Frog]

67. Yes, but Hillary actually DID disrespect the troops.

That kind of seems like a major difference to me. Also, as I recall, Hillary piled on Kerry when he made his misstatement, so I don't see how she can ask for any less for herself.

[bowens43]

68. HIllary is lair. What boggles the mind is that any democrat supports her.

[JTFrog]

69. That came from the TROOPS themselves.

From both male and female soldiers. Lower and Higher ranked soldiers. Even the Pilot of the damn plane that took her there.

And yes I've seen a DUer who was there EXPLAIN exactly why he feels she disrespected him.

TO CLAIM THAT THEY WERE UNABLE TO SECURE THE AREA AND WOULD BRING THE FIRST LADY INTO A WAR ZONE UNDER ATTACK IS REALLY FUCKING DISRESPECTFUL.

[Yukari Yakumo]

70. nm - delete msg.

[Warren Stupidity]

71. I completely agree. That angle is fascist bullshit. nt.

[Mass]

73. she lied to us by trying to inflate her credentials

and did that several times. Sorry, this should leave this race before she kills her reputation.

BTW, did the Clintons fly their kids who was then a teenager in a war zone that was dangerous. It would be a little more callousness from them.

BTW, note Kerry did not go on the news to ask her to apologize on this screw up. Big difference between her and him.

[Raffi Ella]

77. Why can't you believe it?

ObamaCo. sounds and acts just like BushCo. when it comes to Campaigning; You're either with us or against us. His supporter's have fallen in line. Sad but true. :(

[Mezzo]

79. Harry and Louise. The Obama camp has been running W's 200 campaign, and his cult like following

is just like the freepers.

[yardwork]

92. I was deeply offended by the Harry and Louise ads, too.

I have disagreed with several of Obama's campaign's actions. So have others of us here. What does that have to do with Hillary making up this story about being under sniper fire?

[odelisk8]

82. so

Hillary makes up a story about being under sniper fire even though it NEVER happened...John Kerry was IN the shit in Nam and was then made the subject of LIES about himself...and you put up an equal sign...????????

BWHAHAHAH!!!!!

[Democrafty]

99. Thank you.

Don't even get me started on the misuse of the term "swiftboating"....

[workinclasszero]

83. Yeah heres the RW slamming Kerry over his joke!!!

Her name is...HILLARY CLINTON!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg :puke:

[Yael]

86. He told a joke that fell flat. She flat out LIED and kept LYING.

No comparison.

[yardwork]

89. I'm offended by this totally false comparison.

John Kerry is a decorated combat veteran who was lied about by people who weren't even there. John Kerry told no lies. Lies were told about him.

Hillary Clinton is a former First Lady who made up a story about being under sniper fire that never happened.

There is no comparison between the two.

[mod mom]

95. IT'S A F-ING PATTERN OF LYING! Bosnia, Irish Peace Process, CHIP program, NAFTA

If the "fabrications"aren't enough, then the rovian smear tactics should set off warning bells. What is amazing is that there are folks here who after almost 8 years of being lied to and witnessing the ill effects of a secretive administration, are still willing to support a candidate like Clinton.

[Seabiscuit]

97. Not surprising when you consider that his forum has been overrun with freepers

posing as Obama supporters for months now.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

102. Two legs good, four legs bad. n/t

[DefenseLawyer]

104. Are you on medication?

HILLARY was one of the first and loudest to jump all over Kerry for his "botched joke".

[Bigleaf]

106. I won't go that far but she fucking blatantly lied. Don't anyone try and feed me the misstatement,

faulty recollection

[Bolo Boffin]

107. It's being used BY right-wingers to smear Clinton.

That was exactly the line being used this morning on the local Fox affliate by some knucklehead.

Maybe the claim was exaggerated or not. But she certainly wasn't insulting the troops.

However, there are idiots on the right that would believe Rush Limbaugh if he told them they had to eat dogshit to keep the sun coming up. Tell them that Hillary Clinton disrespected the troops and they'd just nod in agreement.

We don't have to fall for it here.

[Alexander]

108. Hillary Clinton herself smeared Kerry about the "botched joke".

So when you refer to the "right-wing", apparently you mean Hillary Clinton.

That's quite revealing.

[anonymous171]

110. Obama was called a "rabid white hater" about two weeks ago by a HRC supporter.