I'm that young, black woman who helped get white Democrats elected.

[Connie_Corleone]

I was of voting age when Bill Clinton ran for president. Without the black vote, Clinton wouldn't have been elected president....twice.

Black people have been the most loyal voting bloc in the Democratic Party for over 40 years, even though we have been taken for granted until an election comes up.

There are black people, including my aunts and grandparents, who were living through Jim Crow and assassinations of civil rights leaders.

If some of you have a problem with some black people still having grievances from the not so long ago past (like less than 50 years ago), too friggin' bad.

That's it. I'm done!

[anonymous171]

1. According to Hillary supporters, black voters aren't "true democrats"

[murielm99]

42. You don't speak for Clinton supporters

and you have no right to repeat such bullshit.

[anonymous171]

72. You obviously never heard people claim Clinton got the "true democrat" support.

[murielm99]

77. "Some people say?"

That's always a good argument.

There has been some discussion about the crossover vote, if that is what you mean. But no Clinton supporter has ever said that about the AA vote. We all know perfectly well that the AA vote is a reliable part of our base. Traditionally, the union vote is too. So is the GLBT vote.

No Clinton supporter has said that AA voters are not real Democrats. You are full of shit.

[DemVet]

100. No, and neither have you.

n/t

[papau]

130. NO I have not heard that crap - But should seniors -loyal Dems all - be ignored because young &black

want control of the party?

Is there some sort of entitlement or affirmative action that is being demanded? Is "not racist" the only cause of the party or does "not sexist" have equal standing?

[Ken Burch]

154. Obama has never run AGAINST seniors.

There is no reason why seniors couldn't vote for him. His record on senior issues is just as good as HRC's.

And it's racist to say that "young & black"(?) want control of the party".

They don't want CONTROL, and they have nothing against seniors. They just want an equal say within the party, as they are entitled to have. There's no reason for anyone to find that idea frightening.

[ekwhite]

184. You are making one hell of an assumption there, papau

I happen to be neither young nor black. I am a card-carrying AARP member, and I proudly support Barack Obama.

[TomBall Democrat]

118. Is it not possible for a Clinton supporter to post

without profanity?

What is the deal with that?

Are you so angry that you can't contain yourself?

Please watch the language.

[Catherine Vincent]

122. LOL!

:rofl:

edited to add a response down thread from an Obama supporter:

KAZ (1000+ posts) Fri Mar-28-08 12:16 AM
Response to Reply #66
70. Wake up? You're a recently awakened sock puppet. Fuck off.

[MADem]

144. Touche`!!!!!!!!

:rofl:

[DemVet]

99. Now that's a ridiculous statement if I've ever heard one.

Where do you come up with this crap?

[MADem]

143. Spoken like an earnest shitflinger. No time wasted, either. NT

[ElsewheresDaughter]

167. GOT HATE?....gesh what a liar

[pnwmom]

172. Oh yeah? Who? Name one.

Anyone who would say that is no better than Bill O.

[pollo poco]

178. Let It Die

I loved the thread not long ago where we all agreed to "let it die". To let the issue of Rev Wright die, because it was harmful, a distraction, and a field day for the MSM.
This week's MSM featured flavor is "divided dems will lose election". They want us divided.
So-
Let It Die.

I am an Obama supporter, too. Obama has spoken about the need to be united against the Republicans. He has spoken in clear terms about disagreements within our party. He wants us to Let It Die. We are all on the same team. We are not helping Obama by continuing to hate on each other. We are only helping McCain.

Besides that, it is one thing to hate Hillary. She has done some odious things. But, it igoes too far to hate voters who believe that she is the best choice. Evidently, the choice is less obvious than it appears to some of us, because Obama has been unable to convince a commanding majority and does not currently have the delegates needed to put him over the top. This contest has been many things, but it has not been a route! So, we are hating a lot of people, no matter which camp we choose to hate.

I sometimes think that some of my fellow Obama supporters miss the point of his campaign entirely. He wants to unite us, and focus our energies on repairing this country. I welcome his efforts to restore a higher level of civility and maturity to our national dialogue. He is not interested in hating Hillary supporters. He needs their support. We work against ourselves, as Obama supporters, when we attack those with whom we disagree.

[goclark]

2. I hear you my sister

[woolldog]

3. When Modale got 30% of the white vote, what % of blacks voted for him?

[redqueen]

110. 88%

http://books.google.com/books?id=01LfoBC6jZkC&pg=PA234&lpg=PA234&dq=mondale+percentage+of+black+vote&source=web&ots=Qtc72NbmGG&sig=XswmKxHvmCua-e0XcW5EdDLwBW8&hl=en

[Ishoutandscream2]

4. Good post. And I hope we all know we need each other

Something that GDP has forgotten. Love is the answer. Oh, and I guess solidarity, too.

[ulysses]

5. sweet.

:thumbsup:

[JKaiser]

6. okay

[crankychatter]

7. Race and Gender in Presidential Politics: A Debate Between Gloria Steinem and Melissa Harris-Lacewel

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/1/14/
race_and_gender_in_presidential_politics

VERY informative...

[woolldog]

10. I saw that.

Lacewell crushed her. I almost felt sorry for Steinem, she was so outmatched.

[Ken Burch]

155. Well, Steinem sold out to corporate power years ago, just like HRC.

She's not a FINO(Feminist In Name Only).

[knixphan]

115. thanks for that link!

[defendandprotect]

171. Melissa Harris-Lacewell is fanatastic -- !!! Thank you for bringing this ...

to my attention --

Many disappointments with Gloria Steinem --- and this is the worst I've ever heard her.

Harris-Lacewell is a phenomenally sharp thinker --- very interesting --- !!!

Love Amy Goodman, as always ---

Granted, there will be people who will vote against someone's skin color ---
and people who will vote specifically against a female holding office ---

But, I can only hope that MOST of us have judged the two candidates on legitimate issues
-- and found them NOT equal in their merits -- and thereby we found our candidate.

In my case, HRC is a DLC member and that immediately lost her my vote ---

[cliffordu]

8. K an R!!

[Forkboy]

9. Heh...good response to the other shit.

:thumbsup:

[KAZ]

11. Beautiful. If I didn't respect DU, I'd create some sock puppets..

.. and recommend this over and over.

[Ichingcarpenter]

12. Nice Post

:thumbsup: :hi:

[Mags]

13. glad you are done, , who has a problem with black people?

You Barry folks are playing this grievance to the hilt. Can you not see past your race? You act as though no one has ever treated you equally ever. Why can't you just be people, and not put your self in a catagory?

[ulysses]

16. and just as I was going to go to bed...

:popcorn:

[Ichingcarpenter]

18. ......

[ulysses]

24. BWAHAHAHAHA!

:D :thumbsup:

[libnnc]

23. lord jeebus

scootchies :popcorn:

where do they come from?

[Lisa0825]

29. Did Ignored say something?

:shrug:

[mrreowwr_kittty]

63. Ignored is chatty this evening, isn't he? I thought they were taking a week off. nt

[Forkboy]

17. How do you even remember to breathe with that brain?

[Mags]

21. hey, I 'm who I am, I am not blaming everybody for my problems,

I sleep pretty well at night. Do you?

[Forkboy]

26. No, the fact that brain dead rejects like you exist keeps me awake.

[ulysses]

31. gawsh, how can the blacks not sleep well at night?

We treat 'em pretty good these days!

[HCE SuiGeneris]

62. The consumate self-congratulatory smug 'puke line. You nailed it!

:puke:

[quakerboy]

194. Damn. I couldnt phrase it so beautifully

if I took a Poetry class. thanks.

[JanusAscending]

22. I hate to tell you what "catagory" your post

puts you in. Grow up, and oh, by the way HIS NAME IS OBAMA to you!!

[grantcart]

28. my category = ignore - and I only have a couple

[Mags]

34. Oh, sorry, can't call him Barry, can't call him Barack Hussien

Can't call him Barack Hussien Obama, can't call him his real name, wonder why? I didn't know Barry was off limits, but think I will call him Barry anyway, better then Barack Hussein.

[cali]

36. call him whatever you want,;hillbot

we know what you are.

[ulysses]

39. "Mr. President" works for me.

(and to think that I still consider my support for Obama "soft"...)

[JanusAscending]

46. Works for me too !!

Thanks for that !!

[Tarheel_Dem]

192. Familiar with this poster, and I think he's anything but a "Hillbot"

if you catch my drift. He definitely has some race issues. I guess he missed that insane thread by one of Hill's supporters who informed us that if it weren't for white women like her, we'd still be "mopping her floors". But, he chose to take issue with this thread? Go figure.......

[Name removed]

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[Ken Burch]

157. We've long ago proved that Obama's middle name has no political or religious significance.

It's just a name. And the only reason people mention it is to invoke some insane and completely unjustified fears.

Obama isn't a Muslim. He isn't a jihadi. And his middle name doesn't freaking matter.

Is that so hard for you to accept?

[Name removed]

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[geek tragedy]

52. How has this racist p.o.s. not been tombstoned yet? n/t

[ulysses]

56. we're playing with dinner.

[redqueen]

111. Hahahaha

[akbacchus_BC]

78. It cannot be tombstoned yet. We still need some humour in here. n/t

[juno jones]

166. I wonder if this is the same racist I alerted on a day or so ago.

Same MO, from the sound of it.

[DerekJ]

75. Mags ... Go back to your KKK buddies on "Capital Hill"

They miss you.

[LeftishBrit]

80. Errr, perhaps because many white people DON'T LET black people...

'just be people and not put themselves in a category'?

'You act as though no one has treated you equally ever.'

No one's saying that white people have not treated non-white people 'equally ever'. Just not all that often. And you expect that non-white people should totally ignore this, and be quite happy with it?

(I'm white by the way).

And what are Barry folks?

[NDambi]

94. Yeah, You People should just get over it already..damn!

[Butch350]

107. Oh

Really! Do you see past It!?

[roseBudd]

146. "You Barry folks " are you about 12?

[zulchzulu]

14. A most excellent post

K&R!

[stillcool]

15. egads...it's crazy around these parts...

I feel like I'm back in the 60's..only worse. At least then we all knew what we were talking about. Now it's like 'mis-remembering' big time.

[aaronbees]

35. It's like some DU posters have...

"misremembered" the whole Civil Rights era, why that struggle was necessary, hundreds of years of systematic racism, and the lingering yet powerful vestiges of institutional racism in society today. I've really been stunned at the proudly obtuse and arrogantly ignorant posting about race issues from some quarters at DU.

Maybe tomorrow some of these folks will say they "misspoke"? It IS certifiably crazy in here.

As to the OP: Thank you! Great post and proud to recommend it!

[Lisa0825]

19. Thank you for your steadfast support

of the Democratic Party. :patriot:

[CitizenLeft]

20. count me in.

Voted: Carter; Mondale; Dukakis; Clinton; Clinton; Gore; Kerry. Without hesitation.

2008? FOR THE DEMOCRAT. As always.

Which is why I get so upset when I hear that snide remark about blacks voting for Obama just because he's black. HELLO. HELLOOOOOOOOOOOO? How insulting and stupendously STUPID.

[Demobrat]

38. What really pisses me off is

the attitude that he enjoys some sort of advantage because he's black. Hello? For how many years have whites enjoyed EVERY advantage BECAUSE THEY'RE WHITE? And now they have the nerve to point fingers and whine that a brilliant and talented competitor has some sort of advantage because of his race? Even if it were true the irony would be breathtaking.

[CitizenLeft]

59. Geraldine Ferraro, who I voted for...

...SHOCKED me. And... she wouldn't stop. It was like some kind of cork had blown and all the foul hideous gooey stuff she'd been holding back for years just kind shot out like a geyser. And that self-righteousness was just astounding. "If anyone should get an apology, it should be ME!"

Dear God.

[butterfly77]

136. Kick and recommend ...

[Eric Condon]

51. Exactly.

Hillbots want to make the case that black people are "only voting for Obama because he's black." My response is, no, did it ever occur to you that maybe, JUST MAYBE, black voters might be gravitating toward Obama because the Clintons insulted and demeaned them?

An example of that old "white privilege" is that I'll never have to have an ex-president tell my entire community that we're not smart enough to vote based on issues and that we only vote based on race, as evidenced by the fact that "Jesse Jackson won here (aka 'this black state') in '84 and '88."

Newsflash, Clintons: You take black people (or any people, for that matter) for granted, you exploit the goodwill you earned from them before and show that you never REALLY gave a shit about them in the first place, and yes, they will turn on you. You were NOT the "first black president," Bill. Don't you forget it.

Obama, on the other hand, is already my president. If he's the first black president, that's fine too. But much more important to me is that he's the first president in my lifetime who I can actually believe in and be proud of.

[CitizenLeft]

58. YES.

"My response is, no, did it ever occur to you that maybe, JUST MAYBE, black voters might be gravitating toward Obama because the Clintons insulted and demeaned them?"

I refused to choose between them until SC. Yes, I cried when Obama gave that speech in IA, but I was HAPPY for her when she won NH, because yes, the media was belittling her, and I was sick of it. Yay Hillary! And up until that point, I defended her on this board. But then came SC, and that was the beginning of the end. The worse it got, the more I leaned towards Obama. The mocking and the "skies opening" and the "shame on you!" was the last straw.

And people call that "cultish" and "Kool-Aid" drinking. Uh-huh.

[quakerboy]

195. I am a little tired of the double standard

If White people vote for Clinton, its assumed its because they are looking at two candidates, and see one is better.

If black people Vote for Obama, its assumed because they look at two candidates, and see one is black.

to be fair, if women vote for Clinton its assumed its because she is a woman.

Its all BS.

[IronLionZion]

131. People of all cultures support Obama for the reason anyone should support any candidate

because we believe he is the best choice to represent us and lead this country.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

25. I'm old enough to remember a little

While things have changed some, they need to change a WHOLE LOT MORE.

Thank you for your post. IT will be cross linked in the Friday Daily news.

[ampad]

27. Thank you

As a young black woman I say thank you, you speak for me.

[goclark]

182. As a Senior Black woman I say thank you too,

It is extremely difficult to participate and not use words that would be close to rage sometimes.

A big hug to those that have taken the time to walk in the shoes of someone of another race.

As I've said many times, I'm not voting for Obama because he is Black ,I am voting for Obama because he is reaching out to everyone.
He doesn't seek to be "the first Black President." He seeks to be President for ALL the people.

[cmf]

30. Amen!

A good portion of the Democratic party are showing their true colors. They're ok with Black people until we start getting too uppity.

[Name removed]

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[Forkboy]

43. And while you're at it, why isn't there white history month?

You know you want to ask it... :freak:

[Mags]

47. why would I care about that, I don't have to have a month

specialized for me, I don't have to be reinforced about who and what my history is.

[ulysses]

48. yes, there's a reason for that.

You won't recognize it, though.

[Mags]

49. gosh, take some responsibility.

[ulysses]

50. I do, in fact.

That's what most of my posts on this thread are about.

[muryan]

141. I would like to take a moment

to beg you please consider against procreating. While you are entitled to your views, i think we will be a lot better off if they die with you

[Forkboy]

54. Tell me more...you seem an expert in African American and their need to reinforce who they are.

[NDambi]

96. Of course you don't because its the dominant one..don't you get it dweeb? n/t

[Starbucks Anarchist]

104. No, you just have the other 11 months of the year.

[IronLionZion]

134. Desi brother, do you know when is Asian Heritage month?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_Pacific_American_Heritage_Month

That's in the US. In Canada it's for South Asians.

Have some samosas in May and appreciate our staggering influence on this country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Asian_Heritage_Month

[Starbucks Anarchist]

139. I didn't even know we had a month.

:rofl:

[aaronbees]

82. You can't use uppity because....

your racism would be too blatantly obvious. As it is, you're using slightly less unsubtle means to show your true concerns. Gosh, poor you. :eyes:

[Forkboy]

148. Surprised he didn't ask why he couldn't say "nigger".

:puke:

[aaronbees]

183. Exactly, Forkboy ....

The racist spin here makes me feel the same way: :puke: indeed.

[grantcart]

33. We may end up having to go to Denver in August but we are going to get this done

and on Jan 20, 2009 we are going to have one of the most beautiful first families ever living in the White House.

[Cha]

37. Thank you, Connie, and now

some of us White peeps are gonna help a young Black man become Prez!

[still_one]

40. and I am a white Jew who is doing my best to get Obama elected

I lived through the 50's and 60's, and saw first hand what you described. I also experienced prejudice first hand from being labeled a "Christ killer", or "Jew Boy", or "How people got Jewed".

My parents lived through Charles Coughlin's anti-Semitic radio rants, and Linbergh blaming the Jews for WWII. My Father was the victim of Jewish quotas from getting into medical school.

My parents were excluded from jobs, private clubs, and living in certain neighborhoods.

They experienced hotels which had signs "no dogs or Jews allowed", and because of THESE experience I was brought up to respect ALL PEOPLE

I would venture that 99.9% of the people here at DU recognize what the black experience in America is all about. I would also venture that most here on DU that are old enough, white or black were PART OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT, whose birth came when a woman named Rosa Parks refused to be treated like a second class citizen

[SeattleGirl]

44. I'm a white woman old enough to remember "White's Only" and

"Colored's Only" signs all over the place in the south (spent a lot of time there). And old enough to remember hearing my southern white relatives use the "N" word as if it were nothing.

Anyone who says that black people shouldn't still have any grievances doesn't get it.

And BTW, this white woman is supporting Obama!

[ekwhite]

186. Me too!

I remember the White's Only signs when I was a child. Some of my relatives still use the 'N' word - that is why Obama's story about his grandmother was so moving to me. I also have someone I love despite some of the things they say. Needless to say, I whole heartedly support Obama.

[Tarheel_Dem]

193. thanks ekwhite & seattlegirl, you both make me so proud.

especially after that racist tirade by (you know who) yesterday. Thanks for seeing past Obama's skin color to the heart underneath. Both of you give me hope.

:grouphug:

[Zorra]

45. You gotta do what you gotta do. and if you know what you gotta do,

then do it.

And with all due respect, sis, don't expect to get a medal for it.

Not voting, or voting for a republican, won't help anyone but a rich fascist.

[cooolandrew]

55. Well hardly years ago with Katrina. Nevertheless Obama isn't about those things he is about the new

and improved America yet to come.

[earth mom]

57. The problem with your argument is that Obama is the wrong black person for the job.

Sorry, but I'm not the only one to feel this way.

Oprah would be better than Obama.

[FrenchieCat]

60. Unfortunately, she isn't making an argument, she is making a statement of fact.....

you on the otherhand, are making an argument based solely on your opinion....which means very little to those of us who are just as smart if not smarter than you.

[ulysses]

61. what, Cosby wasn't available?

[JimGinPA]

64. What An Ignorant & Tasteless Post...

Your parents must be proud.

[earth mom]

65. You are too ignorant to hear the truth. If you want to talk tasteless-Obama is a DINO Corporatist.

:puke:

This thread is a TOTAL joke. Ya'll need to stop lying to yourselves.

If Obama is elected, he will get us into another war if * doesn't do so first.

Excuse me if I'm against innocent people dying for the sake of other people's greed and bullshit.

Read this-you can't spin it no matter how you try:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4598201

[SeattleGirl]

66. Excuse me?

WTF are you talking about?

[earth mom]

67. WTF are YOU talking about? nt

[SeattleGirl]

68. Buh bye!

[earth mom]

70. See Ya! nt

[Voltaire99]

177. Both Clinton and Obama are corporatists.

And as usual in our debased system, it's a question of which poison one can tolerate.

The Clinton brew is too toxic for consideration.

Regardless of what starry-eyed little Polyannas think, Obama may not be markedly different. But she's beyond the pale -- pro-empire, anti-worker. That's enough to rule her out.

In short, we're back to 2000: Nader's by far the best choice.

[ekwhite]

187. Excuse my ignorance, all knowing one

:sarcasm:

You sound like the white radicals in the '60's who kept accusing Martin Luther King of being an Uncle Tom. Take your 'more radical than thou' crap elsewhere.

[Eurobabe]

83. Are you fucking kidding me??

[DerekJ]

85. So tell me in your opinion, Who would be the best "Black" person for the job?

That black man/woman that you will vote for without hesitation.

[roseBudd]

174. Michael Steele, Ken Blackwell, Alan Keyes? Just askin.

[theredpen]

108. "If we have to have a black person, could we have someone whiter?"

That's what I read.

BTW, Oprah was in Wrights church, too, so I guess she's a racist according to some.

[earth mom]

147. Why does criticism of Obama = wanting someone whiter? That is TOTAL bullshit.

Oprah pushed Obama on the country. No one would know who the hell he is without Oprah.

All I'm saying and all I've ever said about Obama is that he is NOT a liberal. Oprah is preferable even though she's a closet rethuglican too.

Excuse me if I'd like to see this country run by an actual liberal/progressive candidate who will make some real and lasting changes and kick some rethuglican a$$!

Instead with Obama & Hillary too we will see more a$$ kissing of the corporate powers that be in order to keep it all status quo.


What's the fucking point if nothing changes?!!!


The truth isn't pretty here about Obama. Sorry to burst your bubble, but better now than later.

[theredpen]

170. Sorry to interrupt your little rant...

...but you're way off base here.

The person to whom I was responding didn't write any cogent criticism of Obama. All the poster said was, "Oprah would be better than Obama." That leaves the comment open to quite a bit of interpretation and I posted mine.

You just went off on a straw man, the way the Irrational Hordes of GD-P are wont to do.

[Hutzpa]

69. Thank you Connie for posting

this needed to be said.

GOMAMA!! :hi:





:thumbsup:

[TTUBatfan2008]

71. Connie...

well fucking said! One of my good friends from junior high and high school is black. Any time we'd hang out together at the mall or restaurants, he'd get treated differently. Waitress refills my drink without me even asking but my friend would have to ask several times before finally getting a refill. Go into a clothing store and the sales person would immediately start asking me if I need any help and not even address my friend. I've called people out on this behavior before because it's pretty damn clear what's going on. But then the shit really hit the fan for me when he got kicked out of the Air Force Academy simply because a white girl accused him and several other black football players of hurting her. She fell down some stairs at a house party. My friend was not even in the same damn room as her when it happened. She blamed them and they all got kicked out of the school no questions asked. That was by the government itself. Talk about a load of shit. Oh, BTW...I'm only 22 so the stuff I'm talking about is very recent in our nation's history.

[Pringles]

73. Great! Then all y'all will have no problem voting for Hillary

in the GE.

Ah, it's just swell that we have that settled now.

And if some of you have a problem with some women having grievances from the not so long ago past (like, less than 5 minutes ago), then too friggin' bad.

You got problems, I got problems, the "retards" that some Obama supporter referred to got problems, the Jews got problems, the gays got problems.

What we need is a black, female, Jewish, gay, "retard" to run for president. Then we can all feel good about ourselves for voting for someone we really just don't like and who probably doesn't like us either. We're all so cool like that.

High five.

[Shakespeare]

74. The OP has absolutely nothing to do with either candidate.

And you utterly miss the point. Or choose to ignore it.

[Ken Burch]

160. "High five"? Jesus, are you Borat?

n/t.

[ClayZ]

76. To watch Barack Obama be sworn in at the Inauguration,

as President of the United States of America, will be one of the happiest moments of my life!

[akbacchus_BC]

81. Not to detract from the seriousness of this thread, but what a cute

baby (am a sucker for babies) and at least he/she is not packing a punch. That Obama smile is so worth a bucket of gold. Just saying, now back to the seriousness of this thread.

[ClayZ]

90. And all the beautiful people in the background, joyful!

He just plain gives people hope! Hope has been hiding from the USA for several years.

Here is another baby pic.

[akbacchus_BC]

128. Aw, thank you. This one is cute too. Agree with you, re the happy faces ...

in the previous pic. Thanks again.

[Raine]

79. Excellent

Two thumbs up! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Eurobabe]

84. K+R, most excellent post Connie. n/t

[akbacchus_BC]

86. Connie, great post but I hope when you say you are done, you ...

don't mean you will not vote for the nominee if the nominee is Hillary. I admire your posts, however a Dem in the white house is better than a repug. I can understand your frustration, seems like there is no light at the end of the tunnel. Please do not give up.

[TTUBatfan2008]

87. I think she means...

done discussing this specific topic perhaps? I could be wrong though.

[akbacchus_BC]

88. Maybe I interpreted her wrongly, thanks for your response. n/t

[Connie_Corleone]

92. It's just a line from the movie, Boiler Room. LOL!!

[polichick]

190. Just that last line??

[David Zephyr]

89. You made my evening. Thanks!

Excellent! :thumbsup:

[angie_love]

91. Exactly!

[NDambi]

93. Speak on it sister...ain't it the truth!

[WinkyDink]

95. I'm an old Lefty pro-Civil Rghts white woman. Now, is this election about race, or is it not?

I'm fine either way, but somebody's got to make up their minds.

[Bucky]

97. "even though we have been taken for granted until an election comes up"

Is your point that all white Democrats are two faced liars or that all black Democrats are ignorant suckers? Because when you make broad statements like "even though we have been taken for granted until an election comes up" those are the only two conclusions we can draw.

[cooolandrew]

98. Let's stop the black white thing it i not healthy it's just what the divders want.

[OnionPatch]

101. Don't blame you at all.

I'd have a heaping plate of anger and hatred if I were in your shoes. I can't understand how anyone can think it would be easy to just "get over it" when your whole race has been treated as practically sub-human for centuries. It's actually only been a few decades that there hasn't been widespread government-sanctioned racism in this country and it still exists in pockets today. I want things to change, but until they do, I don't blame you for your anger at all. :hug:

[Coexist]

102. THANK YOU! that other thread was disgusting beyond measure

who recs that crap?

[yardwork]

103. Lots of us white people agree with you - please don't let the trolls get you down.

I know that there are nasty posters here. I've seen them and engaged with them. They don't represent most of us.

[Catherina]

105. Great post Corleone. I expect the Republicans to pull something

dramatic once we get into the election. Like appear to be pro-reparations or something

[2_CentsWorth]

106. Don't quit or give up Connie_Corleone...

One thing I read recently made sense -- the article said one reason this campaign is so emotional and at times caustic is because it pits two oppressed groups against each other. Each group has a lot at stake in this. You can see this in the fact that about 90% of blacks are voting for Obama -- who can blame them? Not me.

But I am a woman who has witnessed decades of discrimination and violence perpetrated against women. Progress has been made to change this but there is still a long way to go. That's not the reason I hope Senator Clinton will become the nominee, things in this country need to change and policies that reflect our entire population, not just the male half. As Sally Field said, "If women ran the country there wouldn't be anymore Goddamn wars." I'd be just as enthusiastic if she had said "black women".

Don't quit! Keep posting, people will listen to what you say.

[TTUBatfan2008]

173. Hillary...

is more hawkish on the military than many of her male Democrats and even some male Republicans. And then of course there's female Republicans that are just as whacko as the likes of Bush when it comes to the military, but that's to be expected from their party.

[ginchinchili]

109. The problem is that you see people by the color of their skin...

while insisting that others should not. One day people will wake up and see that there really is no difference. I'm sorry if you find that verity disagreeable. And it depends on how you deal with the grievances you mention. When that anger is directed at those who had nothing to do with Jim Crow, etc, then that's a problem. I'm no more responsible than you are.

[redqueen]

112. That whole "I'm so not racist, I don't even see color" schtick is played out.

Pretending there is no difference solves nothing. There is a difference. Incarceration statistics show it, economic indicators show it, this primary is making it impossible to miss. Anyone that pretends otherwise is only fooling themselves.

[ginchinchili]

137. You're obviously one of those who can't stand the fact that we're all the same.

It's a subtle kind of racism that allows you to continue believing that the race you belong to is somehow superior to other races. What you're actually referring to is the arbitrary, man-made, perceived differences between races. Though the examples you give are good examples of this misperception, notice that their implications are one sided, the victimization of some African Americans by whites. For example, instead of using "incarceration statistics" as an example of systematic racism, it'd be more appropriate to discuss why crime rates in African American communities tend to be higher than in other communities and the importance of education, jobs, and economic independence. Then you can more accurately get to how these misconceptions about race hurt us all. It is us who create the illusion of differences that cause people to treat those of another race differently from those of their own race. You can find the same sort of dynamics in parts of Africa. It's not because people are black or white. It's because they're people, like it or not.

[redqueen]

138. Oh no you didn't try to justify higher incarceration rates for blacks!

:nuke:

NOTE: I'm not talking about in higher-crime areas... I'm talking about higher incarceration rates FOR THE SAME CRIMES. UGH!

Educate yourself.

:puke:

[knixphan]

113. I gave Bill an AA vote, twice

With no regret.

I'll give Obama my vote, twice

With no regret.

[Kurovski]

114. K&R. (nt)

[helderheid]

116. K&R!

[Ysabel]

117. the grievances are valid...

no problem with grievances not one bit i'm in complete agreement...

i am in grievance concerning much of what has gone on in this country and in the world...

i was born in grievance into a world at war a world of people killing people i will never forget it how can i forget it has never stopped...

i will never give up hope nor give up the struggle towards a better world for all of us...

- until then i grieve along with all who grieve...

[TomBall Democrat]

119. Like your tag line

Like anything that incites thought, and yours does that.

Don't quite understand the reference to "problem with some black people". I hear there's chaos and disruption on some of these boards today. I'm frankly glad to have missed it.

Anyway, thanks again - Hi-tech lynching. Damn, that nails it.

BTW, I will be using your line at the county convention this weekend. Doing what I can to cut the rope in Texas.

Peace.

[IowaGirl]

120. I admit, I was very appalled when I first heard Rev. Wright's remarks but then I was mostly just sad

I do see where AA can still have a lot of issues, especially the older ones. Personally, I have found that when I was angry with somebody, if I forgave them and moved on, it set me free. I really have tried to do my best toward the AA community and I think at least some other WA's are confused about how to proceed to make things better. Just because I'm not wild about this AA candidate doesn't mean I wouldn't be wild about another one. Heck, I caucused for Jesse Jackson as long as we're telling who we voted for. I truly think that the problems I have with Obama are the same I would have with someone with the same qualifications and background irregardless of their color. I don't feel like he has been very good to the AA community and may be "using" them for his own purposes now. I hope that I am wrong in that regard.

[REACTIVATED IN CT]

129. Not very good to the AA comunity?

Hel- lo ! What about his years as a community organizer in Chicago ? Who was he helping then, the corporate fat cats ?

[IowaGirl]

145. What looks better on a political resume--a community organizer or helper to corporate fat cats?

[truedelphi]

135. I'm not sure how you could come to the conclusions that he is using the black community.

Were you able to see his wife on Larry King? She is from a very middle income background and I don't think she will ever be able to forget what it is like to grow up in that community.
Especially if when you step out of that community, you are in trouble for your skin being dark.

I also have a tremendous sense that she is haunted abt what might happen to her husband if he does get nominated. there was a certain wistfulness in her eyes when Larry King mentioned "the real reason" that Colin Powell's wife didn't let him run.
I really think that Oback is risking his neck running in this race.

Hillary is played off as being a "middle class" American. However her daddy was an executive. They lived in a very exclusive neighborhood. She had anything she wanted as a kid, and her family never had to worry.

Obama's wording in his speeches is always "We - us -we" Senator Clinton is much more fond of "I -me -I."

To me, she smacks of the same elitism that Mitt Romney has. Teh same psychic vibe - I came from the right place, and I did the right things, now understand that unless you are my better you cannot stop me.

[IowaGirl]

150. Are you absolutely certain that he has done good things for the AA community or just stolen the....

thunder of those AA that did?

[NOLALady]

152. Do you mean using them the way

other Democratic candidates have tried to use the black community? What exactly do you mean?

Black people have been forgiving and moving on for some time now. While past injustices have been forgiven, it would be nice if one didn't have to deal with present injustices.

[IowaGirl]

181. Here's some food for thought in that regard.......

http://www.blackagendareport.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=296&Itemid=34

[roseBudd]

163. In Iowa? Do you realize how predominantly white Iowa is?

"I don't feel like he has been very good to the AA community and may be "using" them for his own purposes"

Really?

Your evidence is?

Maybe some people from Chicago would like to weigh in.

[IowaGirl]

179. Yes, I do realize how predominantly white Iowa is, LOL. However, my neighborhood is quite diverse..

and I made sure that my children went to a diverse school.

[swimmernsecretsea]

121. I thank you for the hard work.

It wasn't easy, and it wasn't always rewarding. The push to progress isn't ever a pleasant stroll in the park. I'm a biracial (Irish and Filipino) gay male. I worked hard for the democratic party also.

Here's my personal note to you, Connie_Corleone. Don't be done. We need you.

[mistertrickster]

123. This white man has no problem with "grievances from the not so long ago past."

How anybody could listen to Rev. Wright and not agree with him is what surprises me . . .

ON EDIT: Go OBAMA!

[Catherine Vincent]

124. Great post.

But why bring the Clinton's into it?

[jonestonesusa]

125. Thanks for the post and go Obama!

In my life span, I've volunteered and voted for Mondale/Ferraro, Dukakis, Bill Clinton, John Kerry, Harry Reid, Russ Feingold, Paul Wellstone, Herb Kohl, Mark Dayton - the list goes on.

This country and DU too still struggle to engage in a robust dialogue about racial identity in American society. We walk on eggshells and lack a willingness to sustain that conversation. The campaign has brought these issues to the front in a healthy way.

I'll work in my community to elect progressive candidates that have an open mind. As Obama says, it takes personal action to address the issues successfully.

Thanks for your post, Connie.

[psychmommy]

126. me 2 sis

i was so proud to vote for clinton, both times. it hurt to see how they beat him and impeached him. i had many an argument over those hearings. but, to see how they have comported themselves during this election disgusts me. to see who they are aligning themselves with-those same ones trying to destroy his presidency-turns my stomach. i love my party and will vote for the nominee. i am just really happy that the nominee will be obama. keep your head up when others try to put you down. love, another sister.
i am always so heartened to hear the love from my brothers and sisters on du-all of the races. you guys make it so much easier to ignore the racist scum that appear on here sometimes. you guys just seem to drown their nonsense out. thank you.

[wowimthere]

127. K&R America understands even when we pretend we don't...

people lie to others about the seriousness of racism and how it touches every life in this country but one thing is certain... you can not lie to yourself about it.

[truedelphi]

132. I have problems with white people who have never so much as broken a manicured finger nail

Telling black people to "get over it"

I remember when my lily white neighborhood in Chicago integrated. (circa late '60's) I was talking to the African American woman who moved in next door. My parents were buying a home in the suburbs - interest rate 8%.

She had just signed off on a 14 per cent mortgage. It meant that both she and her husband worked, and they considered themselves to be lucky if they were only working one job a piece.

Meanwhile my family did nicely on Dad's salary.

[butterfly77]

133. Kick...

[StevieM]

140. I look forward to voting for an African-American candidate to be president. But not Barack Obama

I don't think he is a nice person and I don't think he is qualified to be president.

Steve

[jonestonesusa]

142. I met Barack Obama briefly in Iowa and I found him to be very nice

but I don't know for sure; we have to agree to disagree. If you care to support your impressions with explanations, please do. Otherwise, vote for the candidate of your choice, and I hope you will still work assiduously for progressive causes, including an end to the American race divide. I'll make that same commitment.

[Forkboy]

149. That's valid though, and many against Hillary would love to see a woman in office, just not her.

There are valid reasons for people to dislike both. Race and gender shouldn't be one of them.

[roseBudd]

158. Where is your profile icon troll?

[Forkboy]

159. How does what he said make him a troll?

[roseBudd]

161. Start noticing which DUers don't have profiles, there is a pattern

[Forkboy]

162. Doesn't answer the question.

Not having profile could mean all kinds of things. While I don't agree with his opinion it's perfectly valid, just as I said many would like to see a woman in office but not Hillary. Am I troll too?

[roseBudd]

165. Well you have more than 1000 posts you have a profile icon that indicates when you joined, you

haven't jumped into a heartfelt OP to fling poo, some of which are more offensive than others, backed up by no reasoning other than talking points of some of the Hillbots

[Forkboy]

168. But his point was valid, even if you don't agree.

Not having a profile doesn't really mean much. I almost didn't make one myself as I'm a very private person. Maybe he is a troll, but the lack of a profile is no real indicator.

Also, as I said, I feel the same way he does, only about Hillary. Exact same feeling otherwise. With your logic that could simply be reduced to being an Obama talking point about Hillary. But it's not, it's how I feel. I'd love to see a woman in office, just not her. Both points are totally valid.

With all the blatant trolling going on I just have a hard time jumping to that conclusion based on the post you were responding to. Just saying something we don't like doesn't make one a troll, and I haven't seen this poster doing anything close to what many others are doing, on both sides. :shrug:

[StevieM]

169. I'm not too familiar with the workings of the board. If you tell me how to show my profile

then I'll be happy to do it.

Steve

[donheld]

151. I'm with you Corine

:toast:

[politicasista]

153. K&R

:kick:

[LaurenG]

156. You are the voice I have been waiting for here!

I am not black but an grieved by how minorities are treated and horrified by the cultural disconnect in our country. Thank you.

[polichick]

164. imo you SHOULD have grievances - as should Native Americans...

...and this country has some big apologies to make.

[4_Legs_Good]

189. Well said

I have no problem with grievances, and I have no problem with these groups demanding some justice.

David

[Sarah Ibarruri]

175. Thanks for the post, and I agree with you. nt

[Voltaire99]

176. Better revisit that loyalty-at-all-costs position.

It's not exactly paid the greatest dividends, has it?

One should only stand by a party when it stands by you.

[NOLALady]

188. And the alternative is

....? :shrug:

[man4allcats]

180. Go Connie!

I have no problem with it myself. I'm easily old enough to remember the assassinations of JFK, MLK, RFK and Malcolm X as well as the 1964 Mississippi murders of James Chaney, Andrew Goodman and Michael Schwerner. Personally, I think those grievances are far more than justified.

Sincerely,

A white guy over 50.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

185. Amen! I'd also like to add homosexuals to your list!

If some of you have a problem with some gay people still having grievances from today's politics, too friggin' bad!

[swimmernsecretsea]

191. Hey! Let's high-five, jesus-de-suburbia!

Biracial gay male here! Whoo-hoo!