12 Reasons why Hillary will pull out before PA

[Dems Will Win]

1. She has little or no Cash On Hand.

2. Her fundraising has dried up.

3. She has more debts than she has revealed

4. She has tapped out all her main donors for the primary

5. She will not loan herself anymore money because she knows she is going to lose.

6. Tuzla has damaged her in precisely her weak area: honesty.

7. A Dem lying about being under sniper fire will not be able to beat a Republican War Hero who was tortured by the enemy.

8. She is about to officially lose Texas.

9. She will not be able to purchase enough TV time for PA, and that is always her main campaign tool.

10. Casey helping Obama in Western and rural PA will close the gap and make PA not the deciding state it would have been without Casey.

11. Clinton Super Delegates will begin abandoning her in increasing numbers.

12. No one heard her economic plan because of Tuzla and her Wright remark but they heard Obama's.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/sneed/865494,CST-NWS-SNEED28.article

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[anonymous171]

1. 6 is the most damning.

Since most of the evidence proving her "experience" is based on her own personal accounts or other's testimony.

[Cha]

50. Correct..she's been lying right along but

has never been busted on such a grand kamikaze scale.

[Taxmyth]

68. In your fookin dreams

nt

[biglefthander]

66. 4 Pinocchios...

...From the Washington Post...a "Whopper"

[ORDem]

99. I agree. That sniper nonsense just crystallized it for a lot of people.

Man, you'd think she'd at least have learned how to subtly lie from Bill, but that Tuzla story was just so over the top, and to repeat it three times, ... She's her own worst enemy. She is never going to live it down.

:dem:

[Independent-Voter]

2. Agree on all counts, but why is she wearing a tablecloth?

[nxylas]

16. Hey, I used to have a Ben Sherman shirt like that

Back in my mod days. Went well with my red tonic suit.

[CreekDog]

18. from an Italian restaurant no less!

:banghead:

[Thickasabrick]

41. LOL....good one. n/t

[CoffeeCat]

54. And look!

There's a line of ants crawling on her shirt! And one of them is carrying a piece of watermelon!

[Raven]

3. 13. Maybe she has realized the damage she will do to this country

if she stays in...SCOTUS?

[ORDem]

100. I used to give her the benefit of the doubt like that, but she continues to disappoint me whenever

I do. I honestly don't think she's thinking about the country, just her personal position. Harsh, yep, but that's where the evidence points.

:dem:

[NightWatcher]

4. #7 would kill her. New Hillary campaign song announced

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru_FIwX1tb8

[Politicalboi]

57. Yeah Toast!

I love Hillary's new campaign song.:rofl:

[noel711]

5. Dream on... it's not gonna happen...

Hillary is not a quitter,
she's in for the long haul....

Not that it might be helpful in the long run
if she were to see the writing on the wall,
but it's not gonna happen..

[MADem]

21. This is a post of "Wishful Thinking" arguments, not reality.

She's not going to pull out of PA because she's going to WIN PA.

[Life Long Dem]

33. Thanks for the reality check, but no thanks.

[MADem]

34. Well, my comments were directed at another poster, but your opinion is noted. NT

[rocktivity]

93. If she doesn't get 65% of the vote in PA, it will be a waste

and she'll have to get AT LEAST 65% of the vote in ALL the remaining contests if she wants a chance of getting through to the superdelegates.

:headbang:
rocknation

[BearSquirrel2]

82. Damn straight her song is ...

Damn straight her new campaign theme song is as follows:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=It6JN7ALF7Y">Hillaries Theme

[ScottS]

6. Seems more like "REASONS TO STAY IN", so she can raise a little money after PA to pay her debts.

[gateley]

10. If she doesn't do as well as expected in PA,

there might not be much money coming in....

[gateley]

7. I think it'll be the money that is the final nail in the coffin.

She has been counting on this for years, and I feel she'd go to the last yard if she had the funds.

ALL good points, though - and I agree.

[mopinko]

8. gotv costs a LOT of money

can she afford to buy donunts, even, let alone having to pay people to do jobs that obama has 10 volunteers begging to do?

[democrattotheend]

9. I don't think her fundraising has dried up at all

She raised $5 million in the 24 hours after March 4, and it's been a pretty good month for her over all. Obama hinted recently that his fundraising has slowed down a little, and I would not be completely shocked if Clinton pulls off an upset and outraises him.

[gateley]

14. From the Chicago Sun Times:

Is Hillary Broke?

Scoop du jour? Sneed hears major money problems in the Clinton camp may soon become a coroner knocking on her campaign door.

• To wit: Word is the cash feeding into Hillary Clinton's campaign coffers has not only slowed down in a big way, undisclosed campaign debts that have yet to be made public could signal the end and have insiders biting their nails.

• Translation: "It won't necessarily be politics which may force her out of the race," said a top Dem source. "There is no hanky panky going on, but Hillary needs to raise money to stay alive . . . and word is she may not be able to climb out of the money hole."

• The buckshot: "I think it's safe to say Hillary's not going to dip into her pocket again," the source added. "And if her employees start taking pay cuts while chasing the dream . . . it's usually the beginning of the body becoming totally cold."

The flip side . . .
Word is former Dem presidential hopeful John Edwards is now leaning toward endorsing Hillary . . . but it's still a wait and see.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/sneed/865494,CST-NWS-SNEED...

[Frisbee]

88. This would be huge for her...

"Word is former Dem presidential hopeful John Edwards is now leaning toward endorsing Hillary . . . but it's still a wait and see."

An Edwards endorsement along with a win in PA would be huge for her. I don't think it would be enough, but it would breathe life into her campaign at least for a while, possibly giving the Obama campaign time to stumble.

Edited for spelling

[zulchzulu]

11. She will pull out AFTER she loses PA by 2-3% to Obama

You are correct that this is stacking up on the Clinton campaign, but she won't drop out until she gets humiliated by an Obama win.

[caledesi]

15. I agree! NT

[DemVet]

102. You're dreaming again...

She's going to whip Obama's ass by double digits.

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

12. #7 ~ She did this to herself ~ She can't Blame Anyone but herself for this "misspeak"

[Politicalboi]

60. Yup

I think she will pull out before she is embarrassed in another debate when they show her "Sniper Fire" misspeak. Or the release of her taxes.

[Cooley Hurd]

13. She'll hang on to PA...

A win there, of any size, will help in refilling her depleted coffers because she still has bills to pay.

[Eurobabe]

17. Please.Make.It.So....

GOBAMA!!!

Testing out my new siggie line. Heh-he.

[galactical]

19. You're Dreaming.

I'm an Obama supporter, but there is almost no way that she'll pull out.

Sen. Clinton knows she can't win pledged delegates, but she does know that she can probably win the popular vote. With that chance, i don't see her going anywhere.

[Beacool]

20. What a damn bore some of you have become!!

Hillary is not going to drop out anytime soon. Enough with the same crap already!!!!

You all think your guy is so great? Then he can withstand it and still win in November.

[1776Forever]

22. I think it will be after NC - But remember her taxes are coming & April 25, 08 Paul v. Clinton trial

will be announced.

Not to be too conspiratorial but there is a trial coming up later this year on the Paul v. Clinton debacle. Some people think there is nothing to that but the FBI testified about it a couple of years ago, so it isn't just hearsay. Paul was convicted of some trading violations so it is still to be proved.

.........

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/10/5/...

Documents obtained by The Associated Press show an FBI agent told the Los Angeles magistrate two years ago that the government believes Mrs. Clinton's campaign understated its costs for the Paul fund-raiser.

"The event's costs exceeded $1 million, but the required forms filed by New York Senate 2000 ... months after the event incorrectly disclosed that the cost of the event was only $523,000," said the 2002 FBI affidavit, which was unsealed in the summer. "It appears that the true cost of the event was deliberately understated in order to increase the amount of funds available to New York Senate 2000 for federal campaign activities."

The document also said a $366,000 donation to the gala was incorrectly listed as coming from the company Paul co-founded, Stan Lee Media, when it really came from Paul personally.

............

Here is more on it - although it is from a very negative HRC site - it does state facts:

http://www.hillaryproject.com/index.php?/en/story-details/will_the_media_ever_report_on_the_upcoming_clinton_vs_paul_trial/

A status conference hearing is scheduled for April 25, 2008 in Los Angeles to set a trial date in Paul vs. Clinton. The court delayed setting a trial date back in February, but a new trial date is expected to be announced three days after the all important Pennsylvania primary.

California Superior Court Judge Aurelio N. Munoz ruled Paul's legal team can begin seeking depositions from a host of big names – including Bill, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton – that allegedly were witnesses to an effort by the Clintons and top Democratic leaders to extract millions of dollars from Paul in illegal donations and then cover it up.

Pennsylvania Governor Ed Rendell is on the witness list in Paul v Clinton. He is a key witness and is going to be asked questions about money he failed to report.

How much longer will the media continue to ignore this case? It looks like the media is still hoping this case will go away, or they have been threatened from exposing this story. Perhaps Barack Obama, or John McCain supporters would be more interested in this story than the main stream media is.
...........

Who knows what will come out of this?

:dilemma:

[ejpoeta]

87. it's nothing if the media doesn't cover it

and as of right now the media is not interested. I don't see HRC getting out of the race any time soon. Maybe if she happened to lose PA, but she is favored to win that at this point. I don't think it's right for folks to keep calling for her to get out either. I would just ask that obama and HRC focus on McCain instead of going after each other.

[Cant trust em]

23. There's no way she pulls out before PA

She's likely going to win the state by 10 points. Not by a great enough margin to make it plausible to win the nomination, but enough for her to think that it's still worth fighting.

[Shakespeare]

24. #13. Leahy calls on her to drop out.

I think this may be the most significant campaign news of the last several days.

[mckeown1128]

25. Kick and Rec. nt

[PATRICK]

26. Reasons why Obama should be grateful

-for the most part- for the long contest. Media attention allows him to show more and more his presidential qualities to a public that would have been unaware and even more receptive to long GOP spin. The enormous publicity and primary state organization building gains go far beyond anything he has spent. He has been thoroughly tested and come out as an excellent smart candidate. In retrospect he has always been ahead and winning against a begrudging but losing big name big base big experience rival. She has made it very easy to pick someone else as VP and divided up her voting block and party sympathizers from Convention competition. The long contest has helped boost Bill Richardson, the most likely good choice for Veep. It has defined the Clinton perspective in the whole party, as polarizing as it has been, into the past(that is really breathtaking when you consider where we were months ago).

However she wishes to end this service to the Obama campaign, this process looking back will be seen as a positive struggle in the party. No flaw was unspared, no state was ignored or rendered meaningless. The voters laid siege to the party. Of course their are mammoth negatives, the biggest being the misdirected nature of this election away from terrible truths and progressive needs. That the flaws were revealed, including the GOP interfering and making fools of Dems, does not mean they are resolved. Yet Hillary, like Bill has unintentionally done her best to draw the flaws into her defeat and help bring down the GOP in essence, in perception, in tactics. Any campaign crossing the line might be seen as a redemptive providence, if we keep our sights on the future rather than the past. It is this if we make it so.

[OzarkDem]

27. Obama is struggling in PA

why would Clinton pull out?

Obama is having to work harder in PA than any time since IA, and he's still not making headway.

[anonymous171]

28. And PA is the only state that votes in the GE.

[NYDem Observer]

31. If PA were the entire US

you'd have a point. And if by no head way you mean he is closing the 20+ % lead Clinton held in PA less than two weeks ago, then yes, you're right.

[dchill]

32. Coming from behind is not "struggling" -

it's Obama's strength.

[Lucky 13]

39. I just saw a poll...

... that had him narrowing the gap to 10-15pts in PA. An improvement anyway.

He's working hard and it's paying off. Plus with the Casey endorsement and the Steelers coming out for him, I think it will be a lot closer than you think thus not giving her what she needs to justify continuing this...

[ladywnch]

51. the Steelers came out for him?!?!?!!! the team or the Rooney family or both?

I hadn't heard anything about this.

[Lucky 13]

67. Franco and Bettis did a whole thing with him today at a US Steel plant.

It was awesome. There was a post on here earlier...

[ladywnch]

98. thanks, yeah, I saw someone posted pics. Great!

[Yael]

42. He is?

Well, here on the ground, we are seeing a lot of excitement about his campaign.

You must be blinded by all of the traffic...

[rocktivity]

90. Unless she wins by AT LEAST 30 points,

Hillary won't make headway in PA, either.

:headbang:
rocknation

[knixphan]

29. 11. Clinton Super Delegates will begin abandoning her in increasing numbers.

[muleboy303]

30. the MATH says...

in politics, MATH TRUMPS ALL

which means that Hillary's quest for the nomination now has an exceedlingly slight possibility of success.

but it also means that an Obama/Clinton ticket is almost a necessity.

(with the possible exception of an Obama/Richardson ticket, O/C would be an electoral (college, HoR, & Senate) "juggernaut"

Hillary has a reputation for being "tough" (which she is again demonstrating this month), or to put it more bluntly, as an "attack dog", which is historically the role of the VP nominee in the GE campaign. (yes, such a ticket would undermine somewhat a key component of Obama's message of "moving beyond the 'politics of the past', but politics, especially national, makes for strange bedfellows, ala 1960, 1980, 2000 etc.)

thus if the MATH dictates, Hillary will have 3,4, or 5 months with which to heal the wounds of the primary season, assume the role the electorate has decided she should play, and go on to make History.

she (and a few million others) will need help during the next month or so, in not only realizing it, but embracing it.

for now, it is truly up to her.

[Dems Will Win]

35. Obama cannot take her as VP, that would not be turning the page I'm afraid

or Change We Can Believe In

[rocktivity]

95. DING DING DING! Dems Will Win, you're our grand prize winner!

Obama cannot take her as VP. That would not be..."Change We Can Believe In."

An Obama/Clinton ticket is a DNC/DLC ticket is a DNC/DLC/GOP ticket.

:scared:
rocknation

[Dems Will Win]

36. Hillary as VP will never happen

She won't take it and he won't allow it.

[Warren Stupidity]

40. Clinton shot herself in the foot over her Bosnian Delusion

she is now a liability not a unifying asset.

[Politicalboi]

62. I think that would

Be a bad idea. She has lost credibility and if you think Cheney is secretive just you wait. It would make Obama look like a joke to take her on. We need change and to drag her along would drag Obama down.

[Mooney]

37. Numbers 1-5 are really all that matters.

All the other points are valid, but once the money dries up, it's over. Always.

[grantcart]

48. 100% correct - she will be in to the convention

[knixphan]

38. The 'Juggernaut tickets'

In descending order

OBAMA/GORE
OBAMA/EDWARDS
OBAMA/DODD
OBAMA/RICHARDSON
OBAMA/KERRY

I'd put 'Obama/Clinton' just under 'Obama/Boxer' and just above Obama/Pelosi

[cliffordu]

47. Obama/Clinton?? Just below Obama/McCain

Sorry - for personal reasons the sniper thing was too much. I wish it wasn't.

I'd rather have a real war hero as VP, not a storyteller.

[GoneOffShore]

58. I don't think there are any real war heros running this year.

So good luck with that.

[howmad1]

96. What is with this "War Hero" crap.

McBush got himself shot down and then, under torture gave the enemy everything they asked for. I am so sick and tired of hearing about this phony war hero. How about all the other prisoners in the Hanoi Hilton? I guess their chopped liver compared to McBush. Gimmee a frickin break: war hero my ass.

[Occam Bandage]

43. One reason she won't.

She's Hillary Clinton.

[depakid]

44. The only thing that's becoming clear to me is that some Obama supporters like to whine

Hillary isn't going to drop out of the race. You all can scream and moan all you like- but it ain't gonna happen.

Better to put your thoughts into something more constructive.

[RBInMaine]

45. The REST of her LIES and SHENANIGANS should be echoed in ALL the media.

[Whisp]

46. follow the campaign money, she got none.

she will milk her sucker donors till the 11th hour to pay her loan or some of her bills, then duck out.

the tell is - is she running ads in PA? I think Obama is, - expensive stuffs those are.
If she's serious, she will be running ads, if she's not broke, she will be running ads.

[StevieM]

49. Hillary is not considered the loser in TX by traditionally used definitions (which included

Bill Clinton losing Connecticut in 92, a humiliating loss in which he picked up delegates) and there is no precedent for Obama's rewriting of the definitions. That's why even the news media, that has been so blatantly biased in his favor, acknowledges Hillary as the winner of Texas and Nevada.

And I don't know how you can say that media buys are her main campaign tool. Obama has been outspending her everywhere.

Steve

[KittyWampus]

52. The Texas primary is a two part process. Obama will be the winner of Texas.

[StevieM]

71. Maybe by your standards and Obama's but not by the country's standards. He lost (eom)

[dysfunctional press]

85. maybe by your standards and hillary's...but not by the state of texas' standards- he'll have won.

nt

[StevieM]

103. That's not how wins and losses have ever been defined in previous races, including ones

where the winning candidate has gotten fewer delegates. The standard that Obama is using is contradicted by established precedent. That's why even the media, which is so blatantly biased towards Obama, hasn't disputed her victories in those states.

Steve

[dysfunctional press]

106. it's the way texas does their primary.

sorry...:shrug:

[bilgewaterbill]

53. I thought it said "Put out!" My bad. Nevermind.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

79. Oh, you....

:rofl:

[Jim Sagle]

55. Unmitigated claptrap!

[WinkyDink]

56. Both her husband and her daughter are stumping here for her. Dream on.

[ecstatic]

59. She just did business with Scaiffe and various other members of

the vast right wing conspiracy. So... I really don't think so. She's already sold her soul. No turning back now.

[Yukari Yakumo]

61. The 1 Reason why Hillary will not pull out before PA

1. Ego - She will not accept that some up-and-comer usurped her coronation as the nominee.

[Ztarbod]

63. You forgot to include she will not have to release her tax returns

[0007]

105. .........and Mark Penn has the clap.

[judasdisney]

64. Never Underestimate Hillary's Ego

A monster ego and monstrous mediocrity shall triumph over hope, talent and fierce intelligence.

Not just because Hillary will destroy anyone to gain the nomination. But because the Republicans and their dirty tricks & voting machines want Hillary and fear Obama.

[Deep13]

65. What a load of crap.

She's never quit anything in her life. Why are you people so afraid of a contest? She will crush BO in Penna.

[TheDeathadder]

69. Here's the real 12

1. wrong

2. wrong

3. wrong

4. wrong

5. wrong

6. wrong

7. wrong

8. wrong

9. wrong

10. wrong

11. wrong

12 wrong

Thanks for the rhetoric

[Johnny__Motown]

70. It seems unlikely that she won't go on past PA

[anamandujano]

72. Wright and Rezko trump all of your reasons.

That will become clear to you fairly soon.

[stevietheman]

83. Two blown loads that turned Obama into Teflon II. n/t

n/t

[dailykoff]

73. Candidate from hell.

Now she's trying to steal Patterson's job after stealing her current one from Andrew Cuomo.

Begone, ringer troll! :mad:

[TheDeathadder]

74. Boo

[donheld]

75. Hoo

[TheDeathadder]

76. You

[C_U_L8R]

77. I expect her to spend every penny

of her donors' money.
And then it won't really matter if she quits or not... because her mercenary paid staff will.

[nankerphelge]

78. If Edwards endorsed her...

after all she's done in recent days, he would be writing off any future in politics. It might prolong the current state of affairs, but won't help her win.

[pjt7]

80. I don't think she will pull out of PA

& I don't think she should. She still has a lead there & should try & do her best, WITHOUT the smear job's.

She should worry about New Hampshire damage control, this is not a good point of view from the Union Leader.

http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Fair-weather+friends%3A+The+Clintons+cut+NH+loose&articleId=a061c399-bee3-4a1f-8c4f-86d8d7ae6a15

[speedoo]

84. Thanks for posting that Union Leader piece.

Very revealing. So typical of the Clintons, and it's time to eliminate whatever power they retain.

[mhoran]

81. I'm heading on a college tour with my daughter next week...

...and the realization came to me that, in the entire course of her life, there has never been a president who was not a member of the Bush-Clinton dynasty.

Time to end the monarchy.

[Arkana]

86. And yet it won't happen.

My fellow Obama supporters: do not delude yourselves into thinking Hillary will drop out before a state she is almost certain to win.

[Barking Spider]

89. She'll never quit. Eventually they're going to have to retire her to

Eventually they're going to have to retire her to some institution where the staff calls her "Madame President" just to keep her calm. They'll tell her that she won't be able to leave the confines of the "White House" because of the danger of sniper fire. And they'll put a red colored phone in her room and call her every now and then with important announcements about Bingo and Tapioca in the day room.

[Faygo Kid]

92. Ha! She will be ready for her close-up then, Mr. DeMille

I laugh, but your post may be closer to the truth than I like.

[Life Long Dem]

91. When is Hillary going o quit?

[Infinite Hope]

94. I've been telling people for weeks it'll be over BEFORE Pennsylvania.

Glad to see someone else out there sensing the same thing. I've noticed I'm almost always ahead of the pundits in predictions.

[life long demo]

97. Do you think Hillary might think

that if we lose the 2008 Presidential Election to McCain, she can run in 2012? Bill is talking up McCain as a moderate as irrational as that is. Just doesn't make any sense to try to destroy the Democratic chances for the 2008 election. We can not last another 4 years of Bush policies. :(

[LWolf]

101. # 13:

She wants to ensure that those like me, who are holding out for a brokered convention and a non-Clinton/Obama nominee, won't vote Democratic in November.

[Dems Will Win]

104. Are you voting for McCain if it is Obama then? Maybe a vote for Nader to help elect McCain?