Bill Clinton Implied (race card) : Hillary Clinton Is Stronger Than Nelson Mandela

[keep_it_real]

On the race card the MSM has give Bill and Hillary a free ride they covered this up and did not report it for fear of the not only the black black-lash but the white back-lash as well. Here is the real race card by Bill:

<snip>

"Bill Clinton Implied Hillary Clinton Is Stronger Than Nelson Mandela," when the former president declared,

"I go to Nelson Mandela's birthday party every year and we're still very close. <...> But if you said to me, 'You've got one last job for your country but it's hazardous and you may not get out with life and limb intact and you have to do it alone except I'll let you take one other person, and I had to pick one person whom I knew who would never blink, who would never turn back, who would make great decisions <...> I would pick Hillary.'"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/12/obama-camps-memo-on-clin_n_81205.html#postComment

[goldcanyonaz]

1. You've got to be kidding. Quit trying to read racism into everything.

[keep_it_real]

7. A man who suffered jail for years is beneath Hillary?

What jail has Hillary suffered but she is greater than this black man.

[Tellurian]

9. The play the racism card at least once every 30 min..

and the irony of the author's moniker is par for the course.

[Forkboy]

16. Well, it could be worse. They could post links like you do.

:hi:

[goldcanyonaz]

19. It's outrageous, and highly offensive.

[keep_it_real]

33. No, you refuse to read the subtlety of the racism.

[EffieBlack]

2. Oh, come on. How do you get the race card out of that?

[keep_it_real]

35. Do you understand subtlety? Here's the definition:

1 a: delicate, elusive <a subtle fragrance> b: difficult to understand or perceive : obscure <subtle differences in sound>

2 a: perceptive, refined <a writer's sharp and subtle moral sense> b: having or marked by keen insight and ability to penetrate deeply and thoroughly <a subtle scholar>

3 a: highly skillful : expert <a subtle craftsman> b: cunningly made or contrived

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/subtle

[EffieBlack]

63. I understand subtlety. Do you understand "delusion?"

As in, "Some people are so desperate to find something, anything, negative to say about another that they become subject to delusions that they explain away as 'subtlety' to anyone who does not share their paranoia."

[SwampG8r]

64. no for delusion

you need an expert
go to the source of political delusion these days
its the hillary campaign headquarters.

[wileedog]

3. I don't think that is racial

Just really stupid.

Are we acting out Rambo Scenarios again?

[malletgirl02]

6. You are right

It's stupid, but I don't see anything racial about it.

[keep_it_real]

11. The suffering of a black man in jail for years is nothing compared to Hillary?

Let's be real; the racism is subtle but it's there.

[wileedog]

40. If it was a white man who had suffered in that jail

the comparison would be just as moronic. And yes, I have no doubt Bill would still have made it.

Again, this just falls under stupid. He sounds like he wants to take Hillary on a daring commando raid.

[keep_it_real]

49. Are we acting out Rambo Scenarios again? Ask Bill.

[Erin Elizabeth]

4. I don't see the racism in that.

Of course he's going to say he'd pick his wife. She/he's running for office.

[ecstatic]

5. I wouldn't have held that against Bill

It's understandable that he'd choose his own wife.

[David__77]

8. That's not racist, but it's INCREDIBLY stupid and amazingly weird.

A freedom fighter who led the armed liberation struggle against apartheid fascism and was in the oppressor's dungeons for decades, versus Hillary Clinton? Please...

[goldcanyonaz]

10. The implication is that she's tough as hell.

[David__77]

20. I think it's unwise for anyone to make this comparison...

...unless they have waged a real war, with bullets, or been imprisoned and tortured by one's enemies - in a JUST war, not the kind that McCain was in, killing the innocent. Mandela is a veteran a freedom struggle, Clinton is not. I'd say the same if someone said it about Obama.

[keep_it_real]

42. If Clinton is a closet racist it is not wired it is natural.

How could someone make such a compassion unless, perhaps they thought black suffering in jail for 27 years counts for naught compared to a white women?

[NYCGirl]

12. No, that's not racial. But it is unbelievably stupid.

Mandela was a political prisoner for 27 years while fighting to end apartheid. Hillary? Not so much.

[keep_it_real]

18. Hillary was not a political for 27 years but she is stronger than this black man - right?

[NYCGirl]

26. Only in Bill Clinton's dreams. NT

[SwampG8r]

65. maybe

she is considering her marriage to bill as a form of political prison

[LiberalAndProud]

13. It would be nice if we didn't see

(race card) again for this entire campaign. Could I talk you into an edit?

[MonkeyFunk]

14. oh grow the fuck up

there's nothing racist about it.

[oviedodem]

15. Stop!! It is not racist BUT one of the dumbest things on earth.

What Hillary has gone through in life is nothing Mandela has gone through for the freedom of SA.

Joke that Clinton has become.

[keep_it_real]

21. Excuses, excuses, excuses . . .

[Forkboy]

17. Like others say, it's dumb but not racist.

[keep_it_real]

23. You got it: dumb (closet) racist

[keep_it_real]

28. What you'all fail to grasp is that:

A black person reading this will say to thereself: "how in the hell could that white women be stronger than that black man, who suffered for 27 years in prison as a political prisoner and that white women who did not, be stronger?"

"Oh, he's saying, she's stronger because she's white - I get it."

[NYCGirl]

29. I think you're grasping at straws. NT

[keep_it_real]

30. Come on guys, lets use some logic and reason here - it ain't that subtle.

[ellacott]

43. I'm a black person and I didn't grasp it

I don't see him saying that because she's white she's stronger. I see it as she's his wife and he's campaigning to get her elected.

I don't see it as racist. It was stupid but not racist to me.

[keep_it_real]

51. He could have chosen white Biko, why black Mandela?

It's subtle - I know.

[ellacott]

60. Maybe because he still goes to his birthday every year

Biko wasn't in prison for 27yrs.; Biko is dead so I doubt he would be looking for him to have his back. Bill probably never went to any of his birthday parties so he has no personal connection to him. The most important reason that this wouldn't matter might have to do with the fact that Biko is also black.

It's not subtle, it's non-existent.

[keep_it_real]

31. Well, thank you - a thinking person in the thread - thanks God.

[dogday]

56. You are replying about your own comment

:rofl:

[SemiCharmedQuark]

22. NOT racist.

[blogslut]

24. AAAAAGGGHHHH!

From Wikipedia:

Nelson Mandela was imprisoned on Robben Island where he remained for the next eighteen of his twenty-seven years in prison. On the island, he and others performed hard labour in a lime quarry. Prison conditions were very basic. Prisoners were segregated by race, with black prisoners receiving the fewest rations. Political prisoners were kept separate from ordinary criminals and received fewer privileges. Mandela describes how, as a D-group prisoner (the lowest classification) he was allowed one visitor and one letter every six months. Letters, when they came, were often delayed for long periods and made unreadable by the prison censors.

A little more about that period of South African law enforcement from the Wikipedia Entry on Steven Biko:

On 18 August 1977, Biko was arrested at a police roadblock under the Terrorism Act No 83 of 1967. He suffered a major head injury while in police custody, and was chained to a window grille for a day. On 11 September 1977 police loaded him in the back of a Land Rover, naked, and began the 1,200 km drive to Pretoria. He died shortly after arrival at the Pretoria prison, on 12 September. The police claimed his death was the result of an extended hunger strike. He was found to have massive injuries to the head, which many saw as strong evidence that he had been brutally clubbed by his captors. Then journalist and now political leader, Helen Zille, exposed the truth behind Biko's death.

link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_Mandela
link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biko#Death_and_aftermath

[Skip Intro]

25. Please explain to me how the "race card" was played there. I implore you.

Please, please show me the "race card" at work there.

[keep_it_real]

46. Because a white women who was never a political prisoner for 27 years

Is stronger than a black man imprisoned for 27 year - do you get it? It is very subtle, I know.

[Skip Intro]

54. Why must this be considered in racial terms? Subtle? I think imaginary is more like it.

[Arkansas Granny]

27. First, I fail to find anything racial in the comment you have posted.

Second, since part of the quote has been omitted in your post and in the link that you reference, it could very well be that these remarks have been taken out of context.

[ecstatic]

32. Guys: I think this is part of *their* effort to disrupt...

This isn't the type of stuff a typical Obama poster says around here...

[blogslut]

37. I think you may be right

And I lost my cool over this shit. Damn me.

[keep_it_real]

39. Thank you, thank you, thank you for your perception, thank you.

[keep_it_real]

48. The huffingtonpost.com posted this - is that good enough for you?

They perceived it and posted it for a reason - for you.

[Rockholm]

34. Alice Walker compared Obama to Mandela.

It is all about context.

[keep_it_real]

53. I agree and this context is racist

[dansolo]

36. Stupid, but not racist.

It is demeaning to the sacrifice and accomplishment of Nelson Mandela, but I don't read this as at all being racist.

[keep_it_real]

38. You said, "It is demeaning to the sacrifice and accomplishment of Nelson Mandela . . ."

Exactly, "demeaning to the sacrifice and accomplishment of Nelson Mandela" is the product of a closet, subtle racist. But you perceive not; but I understand and this is why this nation can not have a honest discussion on race.

[NC_Nurse]

41. Bill is off in his own world these days, isn't he?

That just sounds really strange and just wrong somehow. Not necessarily racist, but just plain wrong. :crazy:

[keep_it_real]

55. The wrong part of the statement is the recist part.

We must be more subtle and perceive the subtle. The New racism is subtle not overt.

[keep_it_real]

59. A honest and just person would not chose a white women

Over a black political prisoner who suffered in jail for 27 years even if that womem if your wife; simple truth. But closet racist are not honest and just.

[Cha]

44. Yeah, to hear hilary tell it she's real good under sniper fire..

[tularetom]

45. I would pick hillary too - after this top secret mission was over

she'd make up some outrageous lie about it that would make it seem a thousand times more dangerous than it really was and we'd both be heroes.

[Yael]

47. !!

:spray:

[CreekDog]

50. She has 35 years experience to his measely 27 years in prison

I guess she's tougher --yeah. :eyes:

[keep_it_real]

52. If you say so

[Nine]

57. There was no free ride. The Obama people jumped all over it.

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=aa0cd21b-0ff2-4329-88a1-69c6c268b304

***Meanwhile, below the radar, the Obama campaign pushed the race-baiting angle hard, rehearsing and sometimes inventing instances of alleged Clintonian racial insensitivity. A memo prepared by the South Carolina campaign and circulated to supporters rehashed the King-Johnson matter, while it also spliced together statements of Bill Clinton's to make it seem as if he had given a speech that "implied Hillary Clinton is stronger than Nelson Mandela." (The case, with its snippets and ellipses, was absurd on its face.) The memo also claimed, in a charge soon widely repeated, that he had demeaned Obama as "a kid" because he had called Obama's account of his opposition to the war in Iraq a fanciful "fairy tale."And a few reporters, while pushing the Obama campaign's line that black voters had credible concerns about the Clintons' remarks, had begun to notice that the Obama campaign was doing its utmost to fuel the racial flames. "There's no question that there's politics here at work too," said Jonathan Martin of Politico. "It helps campaign to... push these issues into the fore in a place like South Carolina."

When asked about the race-baiting charges, Obama campaign spokeswoman Candice Tolliver roiled the waters: "Folks are beginning to wonder: Is this really an isolated situation or is there something bigger behind all of this?" Representative Jesse Jackson Jr., the Obama co-chair, as before, was more direct and inflammatory, claiming that the "cynics" of the Clinton campaign had "resorted to distasteful and condescending language that appeals to our fears rather than our hopes. I sincerely hope that they'll turn away from such reactionary, disparaging rhetoric." The race-baiting card was now fully in play.***

Here is the memo
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/12/read-obama-campaign-memo-_n_81220.html

Here is the actual quote
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/01/bill-hillarys-t.html

***Just a few days ago, in Sergeant Bluff, Iowa, the former president said, "I have been blessed in my life to know some of the greatest figures of the last hundred years. Because of what you did. You, you gave me the chance to be president. You voted for me twice here, and I'm very grateful.

"I go to Nelson Mandela's birthday party every year and we're still very close. I believe if Yitzhak Rabin had not been murdered in 1995 we would have peace in the Middle East. I loved him as much as anyone I've ever known.

"But if you said to me today, 'I'm gonna give you one last job for your country -- go and do this -- but it's hazardous and you may not get out with life and limb intact and you have to do it alone except I'll let you take one other person,' and I had to pick one person whom I knew who would never blink, who would never turn back, who would make great decisions under pressure and would never forget what the purpose of being there was, I would pick Hillary of the people I've known and I would never even think about it. It would be an easy choice."***

[HooptieWagon]

58. I dunno, maybe in her opinion...

being married to Bill Clinton is worse than 27 years of hard labor in prison. She might have an argument there....

IMO, it's barely racist, but definately another example of Clinton self-aggrandizment...

[DemGa]

61. No more racist than when Clinton mentioned Jesse Jackson - that is, NOT AT ALL--and furthermore

This info/memo does not look good for BO -- This memo is proof of what Hillary supporters have been saying all along: the OBAMAS have been engaged in a coordinated effort to falsely construe the Clintons' words as racist.

[Random Lee]

62. That is just a stretch

Not all comments are racist.

[workinclasszero]

66. OMG has Bill Clinton totally lost his mind?

Jeez how could anyone compare Hillary Clinton to Nelson Mandela??? It boggles the mind!

How many years did Hillary serve in prison? How many beatings did she receive??

Mandela put his life on the line and Hillary served on the board of f'in Walmart!

Unfuckingreal!