June 4, Dean at breakfast fundraiser for Jim Moran, VA.

[madfloridian]

Governor Howard Dean
cordially invites you
to a breakfast
in honor of
Congressman Jim Moran!!!


Please join Governor Dean and other Dean Democrats in thanking Congressman Jim Moran for his support of our campaign here in Virginia and in showing support for Jim's re-election campaign.

The Democratic Congressional Primary here in Virginia's 8th District will be held the following Tuesday, and we really need the support of Dean Democrats to help Jim win!

Tickets for the fundraiser start at just $50. You can purchase tickets online at:
https://www.azsecure.net/jimmoran/1

For more information about Jim Moran's campaign, please visit http://www.jimmoran.org.

Hope to see you there on June 4!!!

Address & Venue Information:
Sheraton Premiere at Tysons Corner
8661 Leesburg Pike, Vienna, VA
Vienna, VA 22182

[Fenris]

1. Hee hee. His name is Moran!

[spooky3]

2. He's my Congressman and he's good.

[Free_Thinker]

3. Kerry is working AGAINST Moran

Is everybody on the same page here?

THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Published March 26, 2004
Kerry aides plot Moran's defeat

By Charles Hurt

Three top advisers to Sen. John Kerry are helping to unseat Rep. James P. Moran in an unusual effort to topple the seven-term fellow Democrat from Northern Virginia, who is routinely re-elected by wide margins.

The Kerry workers join numerous Democratic Party leaders in supporting Alexandria lawyer Andrew Rosenberg's effort to oust Mr. Moran in the June primary.

Among Mr. Rosenberg's high-powered backers are Robert M. Shrum, Steven A. Elmendorf and Steven Grossman, all top advisers to Mr. Kerry. Mr. Shrum, a top Kerry media consultant, lists Mr. Rosenberg as a client, while Mr. Grossman and Mr. Elmendorf, both top Kerry campaign officials, have made financial contributions to Mr. Rosenberg.

[madfloridian]

4. I don't know. I don't trust Grossman.

I don't trust the Washington Times because of who owns it. I don't know the situation. Grossman really messed up with Dean supporters. Big time.

[madfloridian]

5. This may be why Grossman et al are against Moran.

http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0504/146987.html

SNIP..."Moran is now in his seventh term. He also faces a Democratic primary June 8th against Alexandria (website - news) lawyer Andrew Rosenberg.

Moran came under fire last year for making a speech in which he claimed pressure from the Jewish community helped push the White House into the Iraq war."

[Free_Thinker]

10. Moran came under fire last year for making a speech

Heck Senator Hollings said that the whole Iraq war was for Israel and pandering by Bush to get a bigger share of the Jewish vote so why is Moran getting aced out? Just another example, by the way, of Howard Dean's standup integrity. He is no politician he is a leader, a true democrat, I believe Howard Dean to be the future of our party, a party with a real BIG TENT.

[madfloridian]

11. And remember Dean got slammed for trying to play fair with Palestine.

He was condemned by the Dems, even received that famous letter from the Pelosi office.

I do not trust Grossman, though. He left Dean hanging and went right straight to Kerry before WI. He screwed the Dean group royally. He criticized Dean on some Jewish sites, though Dean was really just trying to be fair.

[Classical_Liberal]

16. I hope this Kerry business isn't true.

.

[madfloridian]

21. Here is the NYT article on Grossman's devastating defection to Kerry.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/16/politics/campaign/16CND-CAMP.html?ex=1085544000&en=ffa4d9bd6e3a49cd&ei=5070


SNIP..." Howard Dean said today that the chairman of his Democratic presidential campaign, Steven Grossman, had left the team, but the candidate did not reveal the circumstances under which Mr. Grossman left.

"I absolutely don't feel betrayed by Grossman," Dr. Dean, the former governor of Vermont, told reporters at the University of Wisconsin in Lacrosse, where he was campaigning in advance of Wisconsin's Democratic presidential primary on Tuesday. "I consider him a friend."


SNIP..."Mr. Grossman's departure followed comments he made on Sunday that he would leave the campaign and shift his support to Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts if Dr. Dean lost the Wisconsin primary. Mr. Grossman was chairman of Mr. Kerry's 1996 Senate race. (OH YEAH...this really is good for a campaign.)

The comments by Mr. Grossman, a former chairman of the Democratic National Committee who has known Mr. Kerry for 34 years."END SNIP

Grossman also wrote some articles at Jewish newssites which were not too favorable to Dean. And that was during the campaign.

[Alerter_]

12. Moran was not Pro-Israel and Pro-War enough for Democrats

so they called him "anti-semitic" and are now trying to take him down.

[Bombtrack]

26. "They" huh? Who are "they" God this is sickeningly familiar idiocy

Not you, this whole horde-think so many of you seem to by into on these subjects

[Alerter_]

36. they = "Democrats" = can you read?

"They" obviously refers to "Democrats". Sorry, though, I was not perfectly precise. "Some of them - Democrats " called him anti-semetic because when asked by a Jewish woman why few Jewish people were at the event, he said:

"If it were not for the strong support of the Jewish community for this war with Iraq, we would not be doing this," said Moran, whose remarks were first reported by the Reston Connection newspaper. "The leaders of the Jewish community are influential enough that they could change the direction of where this is going, and I think they should."

Which is TRUE - 100% TRUE - both "leaders" of the Jewish community in the US - and especially the "leaders" in Israel, support the war. Your average Americans who are Jewish - and what looks like a majority of Israelis - are MUCH less supportive of the war then the leaders are, which is a universal.

...

""They" huh? Who are "they" God this is sickeningly familiar idiocy"
"Not you, this whole horde-think so many of you seem to by into on these subjects"

What?

[ed_vadem]

14. The WTimes is NOT on the page of most democrats and

this story is now 2 months old and not a wisper of discontent from the individuals so named has sufaced. They were just contributors or consultants to the campaign. And the story had NOTHING to do with the Kerry campaign, PERIOD.

I have lived in this area for over 20 years and Jim's record has been one of steady performance and a consistantly progressive voting record. His statement in the Reston forum was taken out of context and overblown for effect. 8 potential democratic contendors looked at the numbers and abandoned their prospective races.

No political democratic leader in the area has endorsed Mr. Moran's opponent. He has virtually no community experience and has never held any elective office.

[spooky3]

18. I agree. Moran also apologized for offense resulting from his remarks.

[spooky3]

17. A couple of things to bear in mind, FT

1. Washington Times is a right wing rag. Trust it at your own risk.
2. Shrum has been associated with many losing propositions. Is this another?
3. I believe Rosenberg's website shows he's raised about $14000 to date.
4. I attended the 8th district Dem. convention. Rosenberg got a few rounds of polite applause. Moran's speech was MUCH more enthusiastically received. I had not known up to that point how good Rosenberg's chances were. But since attendees are likely primary voters, I figured that their reactions might be a good indication, and if so, Rosenberg has NO chance, despite the Post's attempts to embarrass Moran repeatedly.

Moran is certainly not perfect, and had made some mistakes and has apologized for them, but he takes the positions held by most Democrats in this District.

[Bombtrack]

19. Good, MORAN IS A MORON. He blamed the jews for the war in Iraq

Which was but a capper to a history of dumb gaffes.

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[Classical_Liberal]

27. See post 15

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[Alerter_]

37. no he did not - why do you say that?

"If it were not for the strong support of the Jewish community for this war with Iraq, we would not be doing this, The leaders of the Jewish community are influential enough that they could change the direction of where this is going, and I think they should."

How is this blaming Jews for the war in Iraq? He said "leaders" were influential enough to change the direction of where we are going - and he is right. If the leaders of the Jewish community came out strongly against the war, they could have influence on the direction we are going in. Same with the leaders of the Christian community. Since he was asked a question about Jewish people, he answered.

Personally, I blame neo-cons - Jewish and otherwise - and the weak-willed "opposition" that allowed them to.

Is there a transcript of the entire speech, the questions and answers?

[NewJerseyDem]

6. I hope Moran loses

He is a jackass who repeatedly makes a fool of himself. For instance, he pretty much assaulted another congressman. It was Duke Cunningham, who kind of deserved it, but still it isn't good to use violence, especially when one is a member of congress.

He has had several serious ethical issues in his career. He resigned from the Alexandria City council for a conflict of interest charge where he pleaded no contest. He suffered other ethical disputes in recent years as well. Then, he made stupid comments about jewish influence in the Iraq war in Iraq which caused Henry Waxman (CA), Tom Lantos (CA), Nita Lowey (CA), Ben Cardin (MD), Martin Frost (TX), and Sander Levin (MI), all liberal democrats, to say they can't and won't support Moran's reelection bid.

Plus, Moran is a co-founder, along with Cal Dooley and Tim Roemer, of the New Democrat Coalition. He was one of only 21 democrats to support Trade Promotion Authority in 2001 and he also supported the partial-birth abortion ban.

Andrew Rosenberg, his primary opponent, is 100% supportive of abortion rights, is opposed to the Patriot Act and also supports gay marriage.

Here's a link to Rosenberg's website:
http://andyrosenbergforcongress.com/main.html

[JI7]

7. but can he win ?

<Andrew Rosenberg, his primary opponent, is 100% supportive of abortion rights, is opposed to the Patriot Act and also supports gay marriage.>

but can he win ? also, may i ask what the trade promotion authority from 2001 is ?

[NewJerseyDem]

8. The district is safely democratic

Gore got 57% in 2000 to Bush's 38% and Nader's 4%. Rosenberg could easily win and if anyone would be at risk it would be Moran due to his controversial actions. Still, this seat is almost certain to stay democratic.

Trade Promotion Authority, also known as fast track authority, makes it easier for the President to get trade agreements. Pretty much, the president can negotiate a trade agreement and the congress can either accept it or reject, but can't amend it. Even many free trade democrats came out in opposition to it for President Bush due to its provisions even though they supported it in the past. Trade Promotion Authority must be renewed ever few years, I forget how many. This is just my understanding of it.

Here's a link to a good summary on how it works:

http://www.brook.edu/dybdocroot/comm/policybriefs/pb91.htm

[JI7]

9. GREAT

i guess since i was thinking virginia i automatically thought conservative leaning, but this is just one district and not the entire state.

[spooky3]

39. Are you sure you are not confusing him with another Moran (KS)?

Jim Moran voted AGAINST the "partial birth abortion bill"

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2003/roll530.xml

[NewJerseyDem]

40. He changed his vote

He used to support it but started voting against it in 2002. I was not aware that he changed his position and the Almanac of American Politics mistakenly said he voted for it in 2002 so I too was mistaken.

[spooky3]

41. ok, thanks.

[mrgorth]

13. Heaven forbid

someone actually mention the pro-Israel lobby.

[Classical_Liberal]

15. I think the ability to effect dem elections just ran out

. They really blew when they targeted Hilliard and McKinney. The only thing saving Denise Majette this year is the fact that she is runing for Senate instead of House.

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[Bombtrack]

24. So in your apoligist defense "the jewish community" means APAIC more

than it means "jews". It means necons more than it means "jews". Yeah, there you go. I'd like to ask which moderator deleted my post, which by the way didn't directly insult any DUer unlike what you just did to me.

[Classical_Liberal]

28. No, I am saying he believes aipac is representative of Jewish opinion

It is wrong, but not antisemitic. It isn't an unusual belief either. I think that is why there is a great disconnect between democrats on this board and elected democrats. They vote for things like the Syria Accountability act because they think they are popular with Jewish voters. They vote for Affirmative action because they think it is popular with black voters. Attacking me personally won't help you one bit.

[Bombtrack]

31. Attacking personally? You're the one who called me a neocon war-supporter!

You don't know what he believes because you aren't psychic, however we all know what he said if we bothered to read what he said. People here are attacking Kerry for wanting this DOPE to be replaced in the primary, by another democrat, that ISN'T a clear DOPE. I never called him anti-semetic, because I don't know what he believes, but people who do claim to know what he believes are full of shit.

[Classical_Liberal]

32. I called you a war supporter. You were.

. I didn't call you neocon. You supported their war though. Yes people can judge for themselves from my quote. This is true. As for mind reading, how did saying we did this because of strong support for the war in the jewish community" translate into "Jews caused the war!" in your mind?

[Bombtrack]

34. No I wasn't. That kind of charge requires evidence. Until you provide some

I SHOULD consider it a non-rule-breaking statement to call you a liar. But I won't just yet. And you did call me a neocon as well. I don't know whether a moderator has a record of what you're DELETED Post about me said, but considering you either lied about or imagined me being a war supporter I guess it's consistent that you lie about or imagine that you didn't call me a neocon.

[Classical_Liberal]

35. Evidence of War Support

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=80953


Oil was a factor in invading Iraq, and particularly oil/war-profiteering was a factor(I don't think it was a primary reason, more of a perk, which is insideous). But invading Iraq also could be the best way to win the war on terror, if it can help to stem the auto-cratic, theo-cratic stranglehold on the region

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=85431



Dean is anti-war that is the main reason for his support



that is what these people care about, not really looking at what is needed to beat Bush

I've paid plenty of attention to Dean, because I know how badly he would hurt the party if he was nominated

[Bombtrack]

25. "You know, the Black community is extremely lazy"

I'd like to know if you Moran defenders are ok with that statement, cause afterall, I didn't say Blacks were lazy.

You know, I seem to remember that being a negative, ignorant stereotype about black people, not unlike Jews being a devious conspiratorial, controlling cabal, who might do something like start a war.

[Classical_Liberal]

29. Thinking most Jewish people support the war, is hardly the same

. It is more like saying that he voted for School Choice because of strong support in the Black Community. There isn't much support for it in the black community, but many people think there is. Saying it wouldn't make a politician antiblack.

[Bombtrack]

30. He said it wouldn't have happened had it not been for them. That is BLAME

It is blame based on ignorance, that doesn't excuse it. HE IS IGNORANT for it. And does not deserve to be renominated for it and other reasons. Dean would not be supporting him if he wasn't the hypocritical typical you rub my back-I'll rub yours politician that he is.

[Classical_Liberal]

33. It is not blame. The war isn't assumed to be a bad thing by everyone

Certainly not by war supporters like yourself. It certainly wasn't considered a bad thing when he said it which was just when the war started, after the fall of the Saddam statue. I believe Dems voted for it because they thought there was strong support in the Jewish community. They also voted for the Irish peace initiative because of strong support in the Irish communtiy, and they vote for Affirmative Action because of support in the black community.

[Alerter_]

38. pathetic comparison

If he had said the Jewish community is extremely warlike, your comparison would work. But he didn't, and it doesn't.