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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 07:41 AM Original message |
Just in case you don't REALLY know DNC rule 11A: |
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izzybeans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 07:43 AM Response to Original message |
1. The process of how those primaries got moved is all that matters when it comes to |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 07:51 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. And I quoted the RULES. |
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izzybeans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 07:56 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Ånd pray tell, why did those states change their dates? |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 08:01 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. I run a red light, the cop seldom askes me why I did it. |
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izzybeans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 08:02 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. You must know that running a red light and following state law and tradition are not |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 08:05 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Again, we are talking RULES, not TRADITIONS. |
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izzybeans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 08:06 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Again, why did Iowa change their date? If we are talking laws, that is. |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 08:09 AM Response to Reply #11 |
14. They wanted to be FIRST.... |
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WillYourVoteBCounted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:36 AM Response to Reply #14 |
95. when FL and MI moved up without permission, states supposed to be first had to move up again |
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WillYourVoteBCounted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:37 AM Response to Reply #14 |
96. DNC has small states go first to give candidates like John Edwards a chance |
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WillYourVoteBCounted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:38 AM Response to Reply #14 |
98. FL and MI have Clinton party chairs who wanted to "front load" the primaries for Hillary |
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WillYourVoteBCounted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:39 AM Response to Reply #14 |
100. Clinton advisor Ickes, a DNC member - voted for the sanctions on MI and FL |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:41 AM Response to Reply #100 |
104. Excuse me. All of the above are irrelevant. |
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WillYourVoteBCounted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:44 AM Response to Reply #104 |
108. Ickes voted for the Sanctions, Hillary said Michigan wouldn't count anyway..... n/t |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:42 AM Response to Reply #100 |
106. And for you to be arguing votes not be counted? |
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WillYourVoteBCounted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:43 AM Original message |
Hillary Natl CO Chair Wasserman Schultz (D-FL) opposed a revote |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:45 AM Response to Original message |
112. Meaningless. |
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pathansen (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:07 PM Response to Reply #14 |
143. Exactly. And it was the Fla & MI GOP legislature that got bill for early primaries passed. |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:12 PM Response to Reply #143 |
149. Thank you too. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:21 PM Response to Reply #143 |
156. Dems in FL 'voted for it' but it was on a paper ballot initiative, too. Then they voted to move... |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 08:07 AM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Also this: |
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izzybeans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 08:08 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. So you would ask the party to violate states rights? |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 08:10 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Then Michigan has a RIGHT to do what they want as well. |
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izzybeans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 10:56 AM Response to Reply #15 |
57. Which is why this has been a Republican catch 22 from the start. |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:08 AM Response to Reply #57 |
64. Following our own rules TO THE LETTER is the issue. |
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izzybeans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:09 AM Response to Reply #64 |
68. Backing down to Republican dirty tricks because they |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:12 AM Response to Reply #68 |
71. Rules are Rules. Follow them or TRASH THEM. |
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izzybeans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:14 AM Response to Reply #71 |
73. I see |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:19 AM Response to Reply #73 |
78. No, stuck in the right. |
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WillYourVoteBCounted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:51 AM Response to Reply #71 |
121. you should have elected more honest lawmakers in Florida n/t |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:54 AM Response to Reply #121 |
124. I'm from Michigan. |
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WillYourVoteBCounted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:40 AM Response to Reply #57 |
102. which Florida and Michigan democrats were part of |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:43 AM Response to Reply #102 |
107. And this impacts rule 11.A. how? |
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gal (534 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #15 |
204. Actually there is a third choice... |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 01:16 PM Response to Reply #204 |
207. And then maybe the party can win without Michigan in November. |
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gal (534 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 02:10 PM Response to Reply #207 |
224. Maybe they can... |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-02-08 08:13 AM Response to Reply #224 |
237. If NH, IA and SC get frozen out too, then I have no complaint. |
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stahbrett (855 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 08:13 AM Response to Reply #8 |
18. Fine, penalize them equally - Obama still has a delegate lead |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 08:18 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Oh, THAT works. |
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stahbrett (855 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 08:42 AM Response to Reply #20 |
26. If they're penalized 50%, they'll still have a voice - just half as large as it would have been |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 08:44 AM Response to Reply #26 |
27. No, thanks to the illegal breaking of the RULES. |
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sellitman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 09:06 AM Response to Reply #20 |
34. Hillary signed on to this at the beginning. |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 09:08 AM Original message |
I don't care fuck-all what Clinton signed. |
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WillYourVoteBCounted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:51 AM Response to Original message |
118. primares are functions of private political entities, not government |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:59 AM Response to Reply #118 |
132. Then don't be shocked when we decide not to join your Private Party in November. |
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snooper2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 01:06 PM Response to Reply #132 |
198. Well Why don't you just go fucking vote for Nader in November.. |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 01:08 PM Response to Reply #198 |
200. and you and your candidate can go on ignore. |
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snooper2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 01:14 PM Response to Reply #200 |
205. Keep posting... |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:02 PM Response to Original message |
134. Hello.... |
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sellitman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 03:24 PM Response to Original message |
233. Get mad at your party leaders in Michigan. |
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WillYourVoteBCounted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:41 AM Response to Reply #34 |
103. yep, she said Michigan votes wouldn't matter. that needs to be a commercial played over and over. |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:44 AM Response to Reply #103 |
109. I repeat, I could give two shits what Hillary Clinton says. |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:26 AM Response to Reply #8 |
87. Strawman argument alert! |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:32 AM Response to Reply #87 |
90. Utterly and completely WRONG. |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:46 AM Response to Reply #90 |
113. Of course you're right. How could I have doubted it? |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:56 AM Response to Reply #113 |
126. What? That you twisted my allegory, then claimed fallacy that wasn't there? |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:08 PM Original message |
What I said was that Iowa and New Hampshire were pushed into moving their dates. |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:16 PM Response to Original message |
152. You were wrong it calling it a straw man. |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:33 PM Response to Reply #152 |
165. Not really, no. |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:59 PM Response to Reply #165 |
189. Like, if the Liquor store owner said "stick me up! I'll use my insurance!" |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 01:11 PM Response to Reply #189 |
202. Now you're insinuating that IA and NH wanted MI and FL to move their dates up. |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 01:15 PM Response to Reply #202 |
206. Don't go with the "Clinton" bullshit. |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 01:21 PM Response to Reply #206 |
211. The facts just don't back up your allegation. |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 01:24 PM Response to Reply #211 |
213. Stupak is an idiot. |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 01:30 PM Response to Reply #213 |
214. To be fair it was a redo that was stacked against him. |
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SwampG8r (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 08:19 AM Response to Reply #3 |
21. wellsome of the rules anyways |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 08:31 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Fine, but do it for ALL 5 States. |
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SwampG8r (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 08:50 AM Response to Reply #23 |
28. he admits that he selectivly quoted the rules nm |
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SwampG8r (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 08:50 AM Response to Reply #23 |
29. dupe |
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stahbrett (855 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 08:51 AM Response to Reply #23 |
30. I know others from Michigan |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 09:04 AM Response to Reply #30 |
33. You may know OBAMA supporters who are mad at their leaders.... |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:52 AM Response to Reply #3 |
122. Thanks for posting, Tyler; I never looked at the rules before |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:58 AM Response to Reply #122 |
130. It should be an eye-opener to most here. |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:04 PM Response to Reply #130 |
138. Care to lay out the application of the 14th Amendment to... |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 07:45 AM Response to Original message |
2. The DNC allowed some of the states to go early. |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 07:53 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Good luck. |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:07 PM Response to Reply #4 |
142. What if the two largest states ,CA and NY, had decided to go early |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:11 PM Response to Reply #142 |
148. Damned right. |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:21 PM Response to Reply #148 |
157. I'm with you. |
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UALRBSofL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 07:55 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. That is because the DNC changed the rules |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 07:58 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. They didn't change them, they just broke them THEMSELVES. |
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MaineDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 08:11 AM Response to Original message |
16. They didn't break the rule |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 08:16 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. That is the worst, silly thing I've heard YET. |
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MaineDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 08:36 AM Response to Reply #19 |
24. However, true |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 08:41 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Keep it up. We know who screwed us. |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 08:12 AM Response to Original message |
17. Self delete. |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 08:29 AM Response to Original message |
22. You know what? Just let Michigan and Florida rot. |
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goldcanyonaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 09:00 AM Response to Reply #22 |
32. Michigan is looking like it might go red because of this. Piss off the voters, and they piss on you |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 09:07 AM Response to Reply #32 |
35. They just don't see this, do they? |
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goldcanyonaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 09:09 AM Response to Reply #35 |
38. They don't care either. They're so entrenched that reality isn't something on the horizon. |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 09:17 AM Response to Reply #38 |
41. We Will Remember. |
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sellitman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 03:42 PM Response to Reply #32 |
234. If they go red they just screw themselves. |
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dogday (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:47 PM Response to Reply #22 |
180. Votes, we don't need no stinkin votes |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 01:01 PM Response to Reply #180 |
192. Don't "count" on it! |
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BumRushDaShow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 08:58 AM Response to Original message |
31. Old news, duplicate thread. |
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UALRBSofL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 09:08 AM Response to Reply #31 |
36. BumRush It would seem to me |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 09:09 AM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Forget it. They want it THEIR way. |
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BumRushDaShow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 09:26 AM Response to Reply #36 |
44. They most certainly could... |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 09:31 AM Response to Reply #44 |
47. You should be on Michigan and Florida's side here.... |
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BumRushDaShow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 09:51 AM Response to Reply #47 |
52. I am on their side in terms of the spirit of what they were trying to do... |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 09:59 AM Response to Reply #52 |
55. When they broke their own rules, and went beyond them when they DID enforce them... |
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BumRushDaShow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 01:01 PM Response to Reply #55 |
193. Well I think |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 01:17 PM Response to Reply #193 |
208. Another good reason for a REAL 3rd Party. |
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Nine (472 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 09:23 AM Response to Reply #31 |
43. Ha ha! A thread from February? |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 09:30 AM Response to Reply #43 |
46. Yeah. I thought Obama Supporters HATED the DNC/DLC? |
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BumRushDaShow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 09:44 AM Response to Reply #43 |
49. It's called beating a dead horse. |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 09:56 AM Response to Reply #49 |
54. So much for "Change and Hope" right? |
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BumRushDaShow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 01:05 PM Response to Reply #54 |
195. Your diatribe won't get you any sympathy |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 01:22 PM Response to Reply #195 |
212. I want no sympathy. |
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BumRushDaShow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 01:32 PM Response to Reply #212 |
215. And again |
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BlueIdaho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 09:12 AM Response to Original message |
39. Looks like |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 09:14 AM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Not sure what you mean by that.... |
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oasis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 09:19 AM Response to Original message |
42. Howard Dean's got some "splainin" to do. |
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goldcanyonaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 09:28 AM Response to Reply #42 |
45. Looks like Howard Dean's master plan included Obama as the nominee. |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 09:34 AM Response to Reply #45 |
48. You mean 48, don't you? |
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goldcanyonaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 09:47 AM Response to Reply #48 |
50. I thought we were the party that wanted all votes counted...except FL and MI. |
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GarbagemanLB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 09:50 AM Response to Reply #50 |
51. and Hillary wants the Superdelegates to overturn the Pledged delegate winner. So much for 'will of |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 09:54 AM Response to Reply #51 |
53. When the votes are ALL COUNTED... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:09 AM Response to Reply #45 |
67. Hillary's co chair, Wasserman Schultz, opposed the FL revote. |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:14 AM Response to Reply #67 |
72. Again, that's not Michigan. |
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Little Star (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 02:50 PM Response to Reply #45 |
230. This primary has been nothing but a coup from the beginning. |
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goldcanyonaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 08:40 PM Response to Reply #230 |
236. It's been a real eye opener for me as well. |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 10:41 AM Response to Original message |
56. You know you've struck a nerve when you're the last poster on every thread... |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:00 AM Response to Reply #56 |
59. Thanks, TD, for this thread. |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:06 AM Response to Reply #59 |
61. I just got fed up with their misrepresentations. |
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mbperrin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:23 AM Response to Reply #56 |
83. I hear you in west Texas! |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:25 AM Response to Reply #83 |
86. Thank you. |
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kwenu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 03:05 PM Response to Reply #86 |
232. The only thing I think has been forgotten is that the game HAS RULES!!! |
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kwenu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 03:01 PM Response to Reply #83 |
231. Could it be? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 10:58 AM Response to Original message |
58. The first four were ALREADY before Feb. 5.....they were given reasons |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:06 AM Response to Reply #58 |
62. Getting a post ready to debunk this. |
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dchill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:19 AM Response to Reply #62 |
77. Thank you. This OP is a waste of space. |
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Debi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:07 AM Response to Reply #58 |
63. mad, it will never end - not as long as someone is gullible enough to listen to the argument |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:08 AM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Hillary's campaign chair...Wasserman Schultz opposed the revote... |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:23 AM Response to Reply #65 |
84. Again, none of this means anything. |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:34 AM Response to Reply #63 |
91. I give two shits for ANY of their rhetoric. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:04 PM Response to Reply #63 |
139. Ever since I noticed 'mad' posting lies and innuendo about FL dems and how they didn't 'really'... |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 01:18 PM Response to Reply #63 |
209. Iowa. It figures. |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:10 AM Response to Reply #58 |
69. No spin. just RULES. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:12 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. The first four states got DNC permission. I guess lies are acceptable here now. |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:17 AM Response to Reply #70 |
74. I bring your attention to the RULES. |
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dchill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:22 AM Response to Reply #74 |
80. "Waivers DO NOT CHANGE RULES," |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:28 AM Response to Reply #80 |
88. Precisely. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:41 AM Response to Reply #74 |
105. You are just not telling the truth at all, |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:53 AM Response to Reply #105 |
123. You know, I never called you a liar. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:01 PM Response to Reply #123 |
133. She *is* a bold face liar, she uses innuendo to "imply" that FL dems did not make a good faith... |
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MaineDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:17 AM Response to Reply #58 |
75. I've given up |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:21 AM Response to Reply #75 |
79. You explain NOTHING. |
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MaineDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:22 AM Response to Reply #79 |
81. What do you mean "my candidate"? |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:29 AM Response to Reply #81 |
89. You support Obama. This is no secret. |
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MaineDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:34 AM Response to Reply #89 |
93. I was undecided for a long long time. My support is irrelevant. |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:40 AM Response to Reply #93 |
101. And I find your inability to see that the rules are equally enforced disappointing. |
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MaineDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:45 AM Response to Reply #101 |
111. I truly give up now. |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:47 AM Response to Reply #111 |
115. Good. It was depressing watching you defend this travesty. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:51 AM Response to Reply #115 |
120. You are not telling the truth, you are hurting all of us |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:03 PM Response to Reply #120 |
137. I find nothing funny about partisans censoring fellow party members. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:26 PM Response to Reply #137 |
161. The primaries will count at the end of the day. They can't afford to disenfranchise FL and MI. |
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knixphan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
60. even with those 5 states nixed |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:18 AM Response to Reply #60 |
76. Then it won't matter if you give us our vote, will it? |
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JustABozoOnThisBus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:34 AM Response to Reply #76 |
92. What vote is that? |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:51 AM Response to Reply #92 |
119. Whatever you say, boss. |
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Freedom Train (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
66. What will the delegate math be if NH, IA & SC |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:22 AM Response to Reply #66 |
82. Obama will likely still be ahead. |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:25 AM Response to Original message |
85. sorry, your ill informed |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:36 AM Response to Reply #85 |
94. Another Obama Partisan heard from. |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:38 AM Response to Reply #94 |
97. sorry, your wrong again |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:05 PM Response to Reply #97 |
140. They got a waiver. They told us we would not get one. |
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Nickster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:18 PM Response to Reply #140 |
153. You do know that you can't just pull out one section of the rule book right? You do know that you |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:19 PM Response to Reply #153 |
154. The rules allow rules to be drafted arbitrarily, which is why MI and FL were arbitrarily, unfairly.. |
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Nickster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:27 PM Response to Reply #154 |
162. Yeah, that rules committee must be a mirage then. |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:33 PM Response to Reply #154 |
167. Blame yourself |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:39 PM Response to Reply #167 |
171. Actually, they complied with the DNC in all ways asked except for the demand to caucus and... |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 01:06 PM Response to Reply #171 |
197. oh, and the "not having your primary early" one |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 02:09 PM Response to Reply #197 |
223. Yeah, but as the OP notes, a lot of states broke that one. |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 02:46 PM Response to Reply #223 |
229. Actually , they didnt.. |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:35 PM Response to Reply #140 |
169. maybe you will remember to FOLLOW THE RULES! |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:49 PM Response to Reply #169 |
183. So, ax NH, IA, and SC. I'll be happy. |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 01:05 PM Response to Reply #183 |
196. i suggest that you break away and form your own party |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 01:10 PM Response to Reply #196 |
201. CONGRATULATIONS! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 01:11 PM Response to Reply #201 |
203. Deleted message |
mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 02:05 PM Response to Reply #201 |
222. Sounds great. |
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gal (534 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 01:50 PM Response to Reply #183 |
217. What makes you so sure that I will vote Democratic if you get your way? |
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dchill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:24 PM Response to Reply #94 |
158. Hillary shill. |
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riskpeace (382 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:38 AM Response to Original message |
99. Thanks for the post. |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:48 AM Response to Reply #99 |
116. i think FL and MI should be counted fairly |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 01:21 PM Response to Reply #99 |
210. Oh THANK YOU! |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:44 AM Response to Original message |
110. Debunking this lie in part. More later. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:57 AM Response to Reply #110 |
128. But who cares about truth. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:05 PM Response to Reply #128 |
141. You clearly don't as you haven't responded to my *facts* in weeks. |
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riskpeace (382 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 02:04 PM Response to Reply #128 |
221. Your post is just slightly less ironic than the fact that |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:58 AM Response to Reply #110 |
129. "Alternate state run process" that would have been a caucus which represented 1/10th of the voters! |
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Iceburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:46 AM Response to Original message |
114. Thanks for the clarification TD; Kick & Recommend to Rule Breakers |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:48 AM Response to Original message |
117. I'm sorry, but the time for your complaints was BEFORE the voting took place. |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
125. k&r n/t |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:56 AM Response to Original message |
127. But... but... but the FL dems didn't make a good faith effort! So says FLGOP! |
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kwenu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 11:58 AM Response to Original message |
131. Under the rules you can move the date IF YOU HAVE PERMISSION. Florida and Michigan didn't. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:03 PM Response to Reply #131 |
136. FL and MI had no option or choice in the matter. |
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kwenu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 01:55 PM Response to Reply #136 |
218. An absolute lie. Florida and Michigan were warned well in advance of the consequences. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 02:14 PM Response to Reply #218 |
226. You're wrong, they didn't know they would be completely stripped and had 30 days to remedy it. |
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kwenu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 02:42 PM Response to Reply #226 |
228. Okay. Respectfully, I have to say you're wasting time with this. Your own response implies that you |
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LiberalAndProud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:02 PM Response to Original message |
135. Question about the penalties. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:09 PM Response to Reply #135 |
145. This will explain a lot. |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:10 PM Response to Reply #135 |
147. Where did they have the right to WAIVE HN and IA? |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:15 PM Response to Reply #147 |
151. Mind you Obama surrogates were behind both MI and FL. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:21 PM Response to Reply #147 |
155. That is a lie. The DNC gave permission for the first four states. |
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Florida22ndDistrict (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:53 PM Response to Reply #147 |
185. re: |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:13 PM Response to Reply #135 |
150. Pay no attention to the above poster, they're lying that FL dems did not act in good faith. |
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LiberalAndProud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:33 PM Response to Reply #150 |
164. Again, link please. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:37 PM Response to Reply #164 |
170. Yes, the video and the "we didn't fight" letter are her "evidence" that they didn't act in good... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:08 PM Response to Original message |
144. Dem for NH was wrong. Here is more debunking. Truth still matters. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:09 PM Response to Reply #144 |
146. More lies, FL dems voted to move the date to Feb 5th as per the good faith requirement. |
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LiberalAndProud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:26 PM Response to Reply #146 |
160. link please. /nt |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:29 PM Response to Reply #160 |
163. Why don't you ask the lying poster for the YouTube video? |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:42 PM Response to Reply #144 |
174. I'm from Michigan, and that is the last time I'll tolerate you calling me a liar. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:46 PM Response to Reply #174 |
177. It's mostly innuendo. Implications, suggestions, not outright facts. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 01:34 PM Response to Reply #174 |
216. Is that a threat to me? I offered DNC rules with links. |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 02:21 PM Response to Reply #174 |
227. hmmmmm |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:24 PM Response to Original message |
159. FL legislator tells Dean they did NOT fight the GOP. Did not act in good faith. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:33 PM Response to Reply #159 |
166. They made the vote. They acted in good faith. Just because they didn't "fight" is meaningless. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:35 PM Response to Reply #166 |
168. I will not let lies about this situation continue anymore. Period. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:41 PM Response to Original message |
172. Much like 60% of the voters and 2/3 of the states, Rules don't matter to Clinton. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:42 PM Response to Reply #172 |
173. Clinton didn't break any rules nor does she propose breaking any rules. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:46 PM Response to Reply #173 |
176. Phew! Good thing I didn't say she that did! That was CLOSE! |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:47 PM Response to Reply #172 |
178. Again, this has NOTHING to do with Clinton.... |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:48 PM Response to Reply #178 |
181. They want to give your vote to Obama even though Edwards got more than 15% in exit polls. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:49 PM Response to Reply #178 |
182. WAH! I might not vote for the eventual Democratic nominee... |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:51 PM Response to Reply #182 |
184. Sorry to ignore a fellow union supporter.... |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 01:00 PM Response to Reply #184 |
191. (shrug) Ignore away. Ignore the whole country if you don't get your way. |
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gal (534 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 01:59 PM Response to Reply #178 |
219. Aren't you suppose to vote your conscious? |
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grasswire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:43 PM Response to Original message |
175. I'll stand with you. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:47 PM Response to Reply #175 |
179. It won't go to court because they know they fucked up. |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:57 PM Response to Reply #179 |
187. Yeah, they can keep insisting on their "caucus" .... |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:59 PM Response to Reply #187 |
190. Best case scenario for a caucus, mail in and internet vote in MI gives you 1/5th the votes. |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:55 PM Response to Reply #175 |
186. Why should they care about the law? |
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grasswire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 12:58 PM Response to Reply #186 |
188. I was too polite to raise that issue |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 01:02 PM Response to Reply #188 |
194. The original half delegate penality will probably be the compromise. |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 01:07 PM Response to Reply #194 |
199. Never happen. |
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gal (534 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 02:03 PM Response to Reply #199 |
220. So you mean no democrats crossed over and voted republican? |
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GarbagemanLB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 02:12 PM Response to Reply #199 |
225. I wonder how many Rush-republicans voted for Hillary in Texas.... |
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Melinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-01-08 04:40 PM Response to Original message |
235. Dispensation was granted in 2006, FL & MI moved dates up in 07... |
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SanchoPanza (410 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
238. You're reading it wrong, and leaving something out |
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