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powergirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 08:26 PM
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Clinton pleads for time
Again, it's all about her - not the party - not the country. I can't wait until Obama is president.

"Clinton campaign manager Maggie Williams put out a memo in which she casts the cause of keeping the campaign alive as an issue in and of itself, a kind of voting rights issue.

She lists the states yet to vote:

Together, this adds up to nearly 43 million Americans. Are their voices any less important than those of the citizens who have already voted?

Hillary Clinton respects those voters and their right to participate in this historic contest. Their votes, along with all the others, will determine when this contest is at an end. It’s the American way – everybody counts in this country.

The last time that we were told we’d better cut the process short or the sky would fall was when the Supreme Court stopped the Florida recount in 2000. But Chicken Little was wrong. What was true then is true now: there is nothing to fear – and everything to gain – from hearing from all of the voters.

I tend to agree with Steve Benen on this: This is only a subject a candidate talks about if she's forced to, and it's a second-order argument, one that has nothing to do with why she should win. In Giant's Stadium terms, it's just an argument for staying for the fourth quarter, rather than heading to your car to beat the traffic."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0408/Clinton_pleads_for_time.html




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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 08:28 PM
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1. She is a pain in the ass
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 10:13 PM
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16. Keep it positive please
Your friendly neighborhood positivity police :silly:
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 10:23 PM
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22. Er...I'm so glad she's not a pain in MY ass....?
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 10:29 PM
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24. I don't want her anywhere near my ass.
:evilgrin:
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PatGund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 01:08 AM
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32. I'm positive she's a pain in my ass??
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 01:21 AM
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33. Pain builds character...?
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 08:29 PM
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2. She simply doesn't know how to admit defeat and concede
seems a bit without grace or sensibility.
Whatever, she can stay as long as she wants.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 08:50 PM
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5. Yeah Lets just coronate the saint.Forget those pesky voters!
Seems to me all our candidates who managed to "concede with grace and dignity" only handed the WH to Bush.I was never a fan of Clinton but honest to god, she has convinced me she is a fighter. The filth that has been thrown at her has been unbelievable ! She has more than earned my respect.
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 08:53 PM
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6. Keep on losing all you want.
Doesn't bother me.
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powergirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:00 PM
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9. Clinton sought the coronation after Feb. 5
This is clear by her failure to have any plan for campaigning after February 5. The arrogance of this campaign is just stunning. I lost all respect I had for her because of her conduct in this campaign.
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johnnydrama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 10:00 PM
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13. John Edwards
John Edwards conceded with grace and dignity. There were still 46 states left to go.

Why did he drop out?

Why did any of them drop out? Did Gravel with his 0% say he was waiting for all 50 states to decide, before he dropped out?
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 10:10 PM
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14. They dropped out because they got just about nothing for votes.
Hillary has half the votes and no where did I see the word "plead" in the article. She is just giving the grounds on which the race should continue.

Obviously the Bomba has people working behind the scenes to push for an early close, since this is the only way he can be assured a win. That is the opposite of what he said the other day, but we are all used to that.
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powergirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 10:12 PM
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15. The title of the article is as stated in the subject line
The author used the word "plead" in the title. You can verify this by clicking on the link. I'm an Obama supporter, I don't make this stuff up. :)
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 10:23 PM
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21. Hillary has as much chance to win the nomination now as Edwards did before Super Tuesday. n/t
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-02-08 02:20 AM
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30. Actually he didn't 'drop out" He "suspended"and it was certainly not by his own choice
but you will believe as you like.
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johnnydrama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 12:52 AM
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31. noone forced him out
Sure he got no press coverage, but the fact remains he wasn't mathematically eliminated from the race. He dropped out because he couldn't win.

He could have said there are 46 states left, I want them all to be able to vote, just like Hill is saying.

I'm a big John Edwards fan, i'm not knocking him. I voted on Super Tuesday, I didn't even get a chance to vote for him.

But the fact is in these primaries, once you can't win, you drop out, even if nobody mathematically has won yet.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 08:31 PM
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3. Ah, the bargaining phase
Good to see at least she is moving on in her grief.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 08:47 PM
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4. LOL!
good one.
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 08:54 PM
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7. If she had made plans to campaign in states after Feb 5, I'd be more willing to sympathize.
Still, it's possible that she's had a change of heart since then and is honestly interested in providing the people in these last states a voice. Either way, so long as she no longer goes negative as she did last month, I'm all for her running up till the last voter weighs in if she feels she has something that only she can give voice to. That's one of the few remaining good things about this country, Hillary Clinton or Dennis Kucinich or Pat Paulson can run for president and sometimes they will even be heard.
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Shae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 08:56 PM
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8. I don't care how long stays in the race
as long as she stops tearing down the candidate who who will most likely be the Democratic nominee and stop cheerleading for the Republican nominee.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:02 PM
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10. She makes a lot of sense.
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4themind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:03 PM
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11. Meanwhile Ickes sez:
Edited on Tue Apr-01-08 09:05 PM by 4themind
* Confirmed that the Hillary campaign could still try to woo super-dels even if she lost the popular vote, with Michigan and Florida counted
<http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/04/ickes_confirms_hes_been_pushin.php>
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 10:21 PM
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20. I heard that on Olbermann too
This is why so many Obama supporters are calling for her to step out of the race. I certainly get flashbacks of Chicago 1968 - that kind of divisive convention will ruin the party for decades, possibly forever.
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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 09:09 PM
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12. Maybe you missed this part...
Primaries continue no matter what - every time we do this dance. Even when the presumptive nominee is known by all - the process continues. Now, those "precious" votes don't count for much of anything but vote we have and vote we will. Sadly none of this will change the fact that the HRC campaign is DEAD NOW and the body core temperature is slowly cooling. Make no mistake about it this primary season over except for the shouting.
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 10:15 PM
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17. I'll weigh in on this one (fool that I am)
Obama has declared that he is OK with Senator Clinton remaining in the race through the last primary. We should support him. If she remains in after June, still behind in the pledged delegates, that is a different story.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 10:19 PM
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18. I'm getting so sick of this weenie I'm a proxy-victim argument
In every nomination contest cine 1988, the nominee usually had it clinched by Super Tuesday. While late-voting states may have felt a bit left out by this (especially when Kerry turned out not to be the hot ticket Dems had hoped for 2006), the Clinton campaign is basically saying that for Obama to win strongly would be unfair to everyone else.

Well, there's one very simple why this argument is grade-A bullshit, and I wish the media would put it to Clinton's campaign people, or the candidate herself: How is that she went into the race with something around 150 superdelegates, giving her a lead of about 70 IIRC - before a SINGLE regular voter cast a ballot?
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 10:20 PM
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19. I've never seen anything like this.
Edited on Tue Apr-01-08 10:31 PM by Life Long Dem
It's like they are pushing this beyond any normal limits. Makes me wonder wtf is gong on. And what has congress done toward the war since 2006?

Edit: ehhh.... I'm just rattling on. But I just don't want to find out they want Hillary so they can continue funding the war just like they have been.



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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 10:24 PM
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23. Someone should remind her she planned on wrapping it up on Super Tuesday, Feb. 5th.
How many states would've been "disenfranchised" THEN?
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 10:29 PM
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25. Chicken Little made a statement in regards to this article:
Edited on Tue Apr-01-08 10:30 PM by DerekJ


Ahem..I support McCain.. I have nothing to do with this lady

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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 10:30 PM
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26. Ti -i - i -yme, is on my side. Yes it is!
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 10:35 PM
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27. hahaha
I saw the movie Fallen yesterday. That bloody song sticks to you once you hear it.
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 10:51 PM
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28. The whole premise of Clinton's argument is hypocritical
The only way she can win now is if the super delegates vote against the will of the people. How are our voices important to Hillary if she's asking them to do this?
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-01-08 10:52 PM
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29. She cries at night because Michigan and Florida voters won't be heard. She CRIES.
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