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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 09:25 PM
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When Carter, Shrub I were around 40% approval, where did they stand
Edited on Wed May-26-04 09:27 PM by Mayberry Machiavelli
with respect to their challengers? Were they "nearly tied" like shrub/Kerry now, or were they substantially behind? Any news/political junkies from the era remember?
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 09:27 PM
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1. they were behind in the polls if they had a challenger
this year the nominee was picked sooo early, in those days it wasn't til summer usually we had a nominee
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 09:40 PM
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3. Carter led Reagan despite the low approval - I forget Bush41 May
poll numbers
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Doosh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 09:39 PM
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2. The Carter/Reagan race was close up until the debate
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 09:47 PM
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4. Shrub was ahead of Clinton, but behind Perot, Don't remember on Carter
Bush Daddy was ahead of Clinton until the week of the convention, when Clinton picked Gore. Clinton was blasted constantly by the press. There is a revisionism which claims Clinton was the media darling, but it's a blatant lie. Clinton was so hounded by the media that he refused to speak to them during the primaries for a while, and began going on MTV and Arsenio Hall to speak directly to the people. Every time he went before the media, or spoke where there was network coverage, the stories always began "Clinton can't escape allegations of draft-dodging, womanizing and drug use." Reporters would be booed for asking such questions, but they would ask, and then claim that the controversies wouldn't go away. For a while, pundits were speculating that the Democratic Party had gone the way of the Whigs.

But Bush couldn't handle a two front war. When Perot got into the race, he snatched a lot of Democrats who were upset by Clinton, and a few Bushites, and went ahead of Bush. Then he started speaking, and people realized what those of us in Texas already knew-- Perot was a nutcase. He started falling. But Bush, whose family has never run a campaign on issues in their existence, had attacked Perot (probably set him up on a few things), rather than building a real case for his own merits. So when Perot's support began declining, people shifted to Clinton, instead of back to Perot. Clinton's appearances on pop tv (which were highly ridiculed) brought him a new audience.

The race had a high turnout, especially amongst younger voters, because Clinton had spoken directly to them (us). But the mainstream media never warmed up to Clinton. They treated him as badly as president as they did when he was the candidate. About the time he was impeached, the media began to soften a bit, mainly because Clinton had a 60% approval rating, and people were tuning out the media.

Sorry, long answer.

All I remember on Carter was that he was up and down with Reagan, mostly even, but sometimes ahead, until a few days before the election, when Reagan pulled it out. Reagan scared everyone, who was convinced he would get us into nuclear war (the terrorism of that era), but when Iran refused to release the hostages, people turned on Carter. Also, Reagan fared better in a last minute debate than anyone expected. It was a year later before it was discovered that Reagan had stolen Carter's campaign notes, and thus knew what his answers would be.
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Doosh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 10:00 PM
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6. John Anderson, a liberal conservative (remember those) ...
Edited on Wed May-26-04 10:05 PM by Doosh
...actually ended up taking more votes from Carter than Reagan.

and Carter/Reagan was incredibly close in the south, Carter lost something like 12 states by 1-3% points, sometimes by a thousand votes or so. Electorally, the 1980 race could've been a lot closer. But Carter was extremely unlucky. Honest, intelligent, deserving.........but unlucky.

NY went to Reagan by a thin margin, so did Mass. Maine, Mississippi etc. it was painful
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 12:10 PM
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12. I've cried over two elections, and that was one of them. nt.
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 10:06 PM
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7. good summary
Right on about Perot - I recall seeing him speak the day before the election. My 4 year old daughter and I lay in the grass, close enough to him that he stumbled when he heard my daughter exclaim - Daddy, you're right, he does have big ears! A month before we couldn't have gotten near him. Might have been 30 or 40 people there.

2 days prior to that we got up very early and went to see Clinton speak - we got within a block of him, packed in like sardines. Dole, the chicken shit, never came to my town.
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troublemaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 09:51 PM
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5. Both were ahead of their challengers at this point
Edited on Wed May-26-04 09:53 PM by troublemaker
Clinton was running third. The Bush v. Perot placement seemed to switch around.

Carter was comfortably ahead of Reagan.

BUT it's wrong to look at the head-to-head unless you add at least 75% of the undecided voters to the challenger. If you did that BushI and Carter were in deep trouble. (And Kerry's about 10-12% ahead of Bush, I think)
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bushwakker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 10:16 PM
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8. Poll-wise Kerry is in better position than Clinton 92 or Reagan 80
in the end who knows if it will matter. Very volatile fluid situation. Kerry just might win the popular vote and lose the elec college.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 06:33 AM
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11. Thanks for all the great info, everyone! n/t
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 11:54 PM
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9. Graphs...
Edited on Wed May-26-04 11:56 PM by tritsofme







Big difference this year, no strong 3rd party candidate, that's why I'm cautious to make comparisons to 1980 or 1992.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 12:07 AM
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10. Respective approval ratings
Edited on Thu May-27-04 12:08 AM by tritsofme
Bush May 2004 47%
Bush May 1992 40%
Carter May 1980 38%
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 04:01 PM
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13. kick nt
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