I am doubting everything Hillary says... her speech today...

[Whisp]

she claimed shaking hands with MLK in Chicago when she was 14. - a white girl from a white church who live in white suburbia.
how she described it had that icky 'gump' sort of feeling.

Did she talk about this in her book or anywhere else?

sorry, but I truly have difficulty believing Anything she says!

on edit:
I dont' like the tone of voice she is using, something is bugging me.
She sounds like she is talking to frightened children or something, sort of patronizing... bad acting again.

[AlinPA]

1. She was "Goldwater republican" when she was young.

[Raven]

2. Interesting, I guess, in spite of the inspiring handshake, she decided

to become a Goldwater Girl.

[Hepburn]

11. Yeah, the dates do NOT fit.

Hillary was born in October 1947....so that means she allegedly shook Dr. King's hand in late 1961 to 1962. So some time after that in 1963, she becomes a Goldwater Girl?

Bull-fucking-shit. IMO, I smell another Hillary lie.

[Raine1967]

23. In her book she says she met Donald Jones around '61

He introduced her to the civil rights movement. He was a methodist youth minister. Edit to finsih --- sorry)
HE invited the youth group to listen to MLK jr. at ORchestra hall...


She never says she shook his hand. She says that she heard him give a speech entitled: Remaining Awake through a revolution"
Pages 22-23... from her book living history.


I smell an embellishment here as well.

[Hepburn]

25. Good catch....

...I am betting you are correct. More Hillary bullshit. Yep, she was 14 when she saw this man...but she sure as hell was not 14 in 1963.

[Whisp]

31. I got the impression when she spoke of this that she was selling that 'kindred' spirit thing

between young Hillary and MLK, he looked into my eyes... etc. etc.

the bs metre is rattling for me.

transcript and you tube will tell more

[snooper2]

53. She figures since the Internets were not around back then..

nobody can call her on it...

[TheDoorbellRang]

72. So she's just now remembering she shook his hand

but didn't think that detail was interesting enough to put in her book? Right...:eyes:

[Changenow]

88. It's surprising she just remembered

the hand shake.

[H2O Man]

39. And then

tried to join the military. Not quite Martin's message, that.

[Hepburn]

43. Ummmmm....yep....

...she hears Dr. King, then becomes a Goldwater Girl, the prez of the College Pubbies and wants to be a Marine on top of all of that!

Sure...right....LOL....:rofl:

[H2O Man]

51. The LBJ connection!

I am reminded of Senator Clinton's comparing Barack to Martin and herself to President Johnson. That may be more accurate than she intended.

On November 21, 1963, President Kennedy was discussing concerns that others had about VP Johnson. At one point, JFK laughed and said that LBJ had a habit of lying even when he didn't need to.

[Hepburn]

55. Pathological liars are like that, IMO.

It is the thrill of lying. They will lie when the truth would serve them better. That, to me, is the only way I can explain Hillary and her off the wall BS ~~ like the Bosnia lies. It is a high to them to get away with it. Makes them in their minds superior to others who they can fool.

JMHO

[Whisp]

52. o my. what an accomplished young woman.

and I'll bet she can fry bacon too.

why does she have to so overcompensate? what is wrong about not being an overachiever junkie?
I think this is the foundation of her unlikeability with me. She wants to be Everything to the point of making stuff up and flirts about with it all but in the meantime there is no there there. she does not have a centre - there's no real Hillary - it's all a resume.

[Hepburn]

58. Walter Mitty syndrome?

IMO, you point out what it has always been about her that I never liked from the beginning ~~ back when she was 1st Lady. She is just so freaking phony and for her own aggrandizement.

[merh]

67. according to this, that speech was in 1962

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2007/12/hillary_and_martin_luther_king.html

[Hepburn]

84. Yep, right before she goes out and campaigns for Goldwater.

Hell of an impact on her...NOT!

[merh]

89. I agree with you.

As that article shows, her comments about MLK's speech and its impact on her causes other to question her honesty and/or sincerety.

[Hepburn]

103. What she is saying just does NOT fit together.

Hillary and I are about the same age ~~ she is about 9 months older than me ~~ so we were in HS and college at about the same time. I cannot recall at ANY time that the Prez of the College Pubbies ever attended an anti-war rally or had anything to do with the civil rights movement. The Young Pubbie people were SAE's and PiPhi's, drove Jags, wore ascots, and lived off campus at frat and soc houses...and the big worry was with who was taking you out on Saturday night. Rather shallow people ~~ kind of like Hillary. They hardly knew that there was a war going on or that anyone was being denied the right to vote.

IMO, Hillary is totally full of shit. I lived through those same years and what she is saying is just NOT the way things were back then in the 1960s. LOL...no little Repubbie white girl from the 'burbs went to see MLK speak in Chicago. No way.

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

105. What gets me is that the people she is addressing in these speeches, Are most likely aware of that.

I so want Obama to get the nomination. I'm so tired of the Clintons, and the defending of them it requires when talking to family pubs. Just go away Hillary.

Heck, we woman will be lucky to retain our voting rights after this 'Hillary President' ran us into the ditch.

[TheDoorbellRang]

3. Well, this probably isn't on video

so it's safe enough for her to say.

[TahitiNut]

22. Hillary Gump Balboa ... living history

:eyes:

[lutefisk]

38. ehhh....history-herstory .... facts-schmacts. Just trust her, she's experienced...n/t

[City Lights]

78. You forgot Revere!

Yesterday's addition...Hillary Gump Balboa Paulette Revere.

[TahitiNut]

94. Ah, yes. "The Perils of Pauline" ... who was tied to the railroad tracks by the British.

:rofl:

[babylonsister]

4. And therein lies a major problem with Clinton. Who really knows

when she's telling the truth? She has disappointed...

[ruggerson]

12. nice n/t

:)

[babylonsister]

13. True. nt

[rodeodance]

45. yeah---who really knows if Barry has given up smoking--even if says he has--heard

a rumor--that his staff smells smoke on him

[Whisp]

48. 'Barry' doesn't smoke Iraqi's and their kids into pink mists

like your Gawdess of Piece (of the Pie) has a part in.

[babylonsister]

49. Smoking is a bit different than ducking missiles, no? I guess you wouldn't

see the difference.

And I could care less if he smokes or not, though I can't imagine where he'd find the time. He did claim he'd slipped up, so this is another fabricated beef from you, signifying nothing. What a surprise. :eyes:

[rodeodance]

65. You don't care if BO Lies?

[babylonsister]

68. I don't know that he has. And smoking vs. ducking missiles?

Big difference. Bye now.

[charlie]

82. Makes me think of Bill's initiatives against Big Tobacco

Smoking is bad, right? And we knew which side he was on.

Except, when TV crews followed him to his R&R retreats he often had a BIG HONKING STOGIE jammed in his mouth. SEE-gars are apparently not tobacco, or not really smoking, or somesuch.

So Obama is having trouble quitting. At least he's not using the Justice Dept to make sure everyone else quits, while he cadges smokes on the sly.

[LisaM]

5. Well, Obama said the events in Selma inspired his parents to get together

Even though he was already four years old when they occurred........

[Life Long Dem]

15. So how would he know if his parents or mother didn't tell him?

[LisaM]

19. Huh?

I don't understand your comment.

[Life Long Dem]

His parents must have told him how they met correct?

[LisaM]

37. Well, if you read his book, they met in college

What he said (lied about)was that the events in Selma inspired the climate in which his parents could "get together" as he put it (the writing in his book is really execrable; I can only read a few paragraphs at a time). The problem was that the events in Selma transpired when he was already four years old.

He said this at a stump speech in Alabama and said, "so don't tell me I don't have a claim on Selma" (or words to that effect).

Now, like many speeches and events where politicians speak, yes, there is an element of truth in what he said. The Civil Rights movement, which has its roots before the 1960s, probably did inspire a climate where his parents could have a relationship. The events at Selma themselves, no.

[Life Long Dem]

75. He said so little, I can't get a total view of his comment(s).

It could be viewed in general - to the Civil Rights Movement. Selma, and Birmingham, and so on are ALL part of the Civil Rights Movement. I don't see people making much out of it either. I heard about it, but it wasn't much more than just hearing it once. But even so, I can't base what Obama stands for, on this alone when he shows so much honesty otherwise.

[ruggerson]

76. He misspoke

n/t

[LisaM]

81. Yes, he did, but everyone didn't go ballistic.

And he could easily have looked it up. More to the point, it shows that he does not know what year the events in Selma occurred. Which could be okay, but then it's obviously not something that particularly matters to him. People tend to remember important dates.

[DemVet]

115. Commonly called "lying" in Oba-maniac speak.

[DemVet]

114. Then I definitely don't want him because he can't do simple math!!!

His mom told him. He can't figure out the year of the Selma March and the year he was born and "call bullshit?"

[Changenow]

42. Hillary makes stuff up where she

was supposedly there. Obama wasn't even born.

You can do better. It is very strange for an adult to recount first hand experiences that did not happen. It is quite another to recount second or third hand stories that turn out not to be true.

[DemVet]

116. Yeah, simple...

....math is a bitch.

[redqueen]

57. I cut him slack for that, as I do for Hillary's "I was named after Sir Edmond" tale.

Both of those can be attributed to family tales that get passed down...

[ecstatic]

91. I definitely would have attributed both cases to bad

family information, prior to Sniper gate.

[flor de jasmim]

6. I found this...

Speaking at Selma's First Baptist Church on the 42nd anniversary of the "bloody Sunday" freedom march there, Sen. Clinton declared: "As a young girl , I had the great privilege of hearing Dr. King speak in Chicago. The year was 1963. My youth minister from our church took a few of us down on a cold January night to hear . . . . And he called on us, he challenged us that evening to stay awake during the great revolution that the civil rights pioneers were waging on behalf of a more perfect union."

Young Hillary Rodham answered that challenge the next year as the 17-year-old class president at Maine East High School in the Chicago suburbs. She described herself in her memoirs as "an active Young Republican" and "a Goldwater girl, right down to my cowgirl outfit." As a politically attuned honor student, she must have known that Goldwater was one of only six Republican senators who joined Southern Democratic segregationists opposing the historic voting rights act of 1964 inspired by King.

See full text at:
http://www.hillaryproject.com/index.php?/en/story-details/hillary_clinton_and_her_martin_luther_king_jr

[Whisp]

16. so she might have shook his hand, but she definitely wasn't on track with some of MLKs ideas.

but she is giving the impression today of something else.
It's sounded like she was part of MLKs movement.

[Hepburn]

18. So....today, she says she was 14 when she allegedly shook his hand?

As I said above, that would be in late 1961 through 1962 that she was 14 years old since she was born in October 1947. So....now she says she shook his hand in 1963? Hmmmmm....I smell more Hillary bullshit.

[Whisp]

24. i'm pretty certain she said 14. we'll see soon enuff when the transcripts come about. nt

[Raven]

28. If you don't lie, you don't have to remember what you said. n/t

[madrchsod]

32. no one knows

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2007/12/hillary_and_martin_luther_king.html
Hillary and Martin Luther King Jr. - Fact Checker

what matters is that she never has understood what king was saying and still does`t.

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

34. She didn't say she shook his hand in the speech given last year.

Link to entire speech given that day.

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/speech/view/?id=1362

[immoderate]

60. Clarifying Goldwater's view.

I'm the same age as Hillary and I was a Goldwater fan at the time. Remember that Goldwater was instrumental in integrating the Arizona National Guard, however as a true believer in limited government, he didn't think it was appropriate for government to legislate who citizens should associate with. For a time in my youth I agreed with that, although I always sought out "exotic" friends and associations. My best friends were multi-ethnic and multi-racial, but that was easy in NYC.

When I became more acquainted with the breadth of discrimination and its practices, I changed my mind. That and the Vietnam war turned me away from the Republicans and made their hypocrisy clear. I was in college when I became enlightened. In many ways my political development is parallel to Hillary's. She's not my first choice though. Neither was Bill. Too conservative.

--IMM

[JayFredMuggs]

71. Curiouser and Curiouser.... Alice through the looking glass

Each and every chapter of her life, played out on a national stage, where we see that "The Empress has no......"

[City Lights]

80. She went to Maine South, not Maine East. eom

[ShortnFiery]

7. Yet she later was "A Goldwater Girl" and President of her college's "Young Republicans"

Guess it didn't really leave a mark on her soul IF (and that's a big IF) it is true? :eyes:

[Hepburn]

46. And you assume she has a soul because...???

LOL...:hi:

[redqueen]

61. That's the most disturbing part.

How could anyone sit and listen to the man speak, then proceed to align themselves with those that were diametrically opposed to his ideas and goals.

:wtf:

[Erin Elizabeth]

8. I don't know what to believe with her anymore.

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

9. She shook his hand, and it had such a big impact on her that she became a Republican

That is, until she changed her mind and decided she was a Democrat. :eyes:

[Hepburn]

21. Maybe that was only because she was hot for Bill?

LOL, so she is spinning all this crap about what turned her on to being a Dem, it probably it was cuz she was hot for Bill Clinton!

Too funny!

[BeyondGeography]

10. She put her flak jacket on and she went to church that day

[MadAndy]

14. Both Klintons would rather climb a tree to lie than stand on the ground and tell the truth.

[Raven]

17. You know, there would have been another way for her to talk about this

today. She could have said something along the lines of:

"I shook his hand when I was 14 but I didn't realize his importance at that time. I was young and I went with Goldwater because my parents supported him. I didn't realize at the time what a racist he was. As I got older, I woke up and realized the mistakes I made as a young, naive girl. I have worked for civil rights ever since..."

Something like that would have been more honest and I imagine people would understand. Why does this woman constantly reinvent her history?

[madrchsod]

36. because she can never be wrong

[Whisp]

44. yep, that was my answer too.

kinda reminds me of someone else I don't fancy very much that is in the WH.

[samdogmom]

59. You are so right!

Unfortunately, Hillary does not seem to know how to be honest. Maybe that trait was erased a long time ago?

She's a graduate of the "Lee Atwater/Karl Rove" School of Politics. She doesn't understand that "honest" is refreshing these days! Maybe she doesn't even know what "honest" means anymore?

In my opinion, this is even MORE reason to not vote for her. I want to turn the page!

[loyalsister]

99. Except she really hasn't

She has consistantly worked to align herself with the top. That would be white men. Caution: For people who are overly sensitive to race issues this is sociological theory. I hope you aren't. The idea is that people are not necessarily so much malicious. They feel threatened when they consider the possibility of their social order being disrupted. And, they are willing to use what they have.....

Scholars associated with the legal studies field of Critical Race Theory have argued that whiteness or white racial status can be thought of as property, something of value owned by certain members of society. This idea has been advanced in particular by Cheryl Harris<1> and George Lipsitz.<2> Betsy Lucal writes that current ideas about racism are limited because of their tendency to focus only on racial "minorities" and the oppressive aspects of race. This approach, she writes, overlooks how whites are affected by race and indeed receive privileges through race.<3>

.......... I would argue that poverty and gender issues are also a part of this. Women can identify with men. (Hillary Clinton does not identify with suffragists. She identifies with LBJ.) This does not make her racist, but I would argue that she is capitalizing on her own privilege. I don't feel like it is unreasonable for me to question her commitment.....

Like currency, the value of this privilege (for the powerful) depends on the reliability of a white appearance as a marker for social consent. With enough "counterfeit whites" resisting racism and capitalism, the writers in this tradition argue, the privilege will be withdrawn or will splinter, prompting an era of conflict and social redefinition. Without such a period, they argue, progress towards social justice is impossible, and thus "treason to whiteness is loyalty to humanity."

Similarly, Barack Obama can identify with the top majority as well as blacks. The irony of Barack Obama's presidency is that Bill Clinton certainly did have an opportunity to open this door. But there is no way in the world he would or could "betray his race." On the other hand, Barack Obama somehow has the gravitas to do it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_privilege

[XemaSab]

20. WaPo fact checker:

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2007/12/hillary_and_martin_luther_king.html

Gives her one Pinnochio because they can't disprove she ever saw him speak.

[gblady]

86. Barack in picture....

I love that picture of Barack behind the wheelchair in the picture in the linked article.
Seems so right in keeping with his message of service and action.

[ProSense]

26. Wrote this a few weeks ago:

Rev. Jackson said that in 1964, Dr. King campaigned “vigorously for Lyndon Johnson” because the alternative was Barry Goldwater. I wonder where Goldwater girl Hillary was on civil rights at that moment. Speaking of Hillary, Rev. Jackson said her comments about LBJ and MLK were sound bites, impying that the context of reality of events was lost! It took a “combination of litigation led by the Thurgood Marshalls…the demonstration and the legislation, and King had that broad view,” said Rev. Jackson.

more

You really have to wonder how much of an inspiration King was to Hillary.

[BlueIdaho]

27. Pathological nt.

[thewiseguy]

29. This should be easy to investigate

[JayFredMuggs]

79. I agree, if she did INDEED go with some group to se King....

Hopefully at least ONE of that group is still alive and can confirm or deny.

[BumRushDaShow]

30. Sounds like Romney redux. n/t

[JVS]

33. Yeah, it's probably BS. Lucky for her there won't be any news footage to disprove her claim.

But I'm sure the public knows to take her stories with a grain of salt.

[thewiseguy]

40. To the contrary her peers who were also there can verify this

[Emillereid]

35. A Goldwater girl at a civil rights event? Come on - it stretches the imagination.

She's making it up - but it will be difficult to fact check. Why does she feel she needs to do this??? She's not going to get the AA vote no matter how many times she shook MLK's hand.

I went to lots of civil rights events when I was young -- a couple where King was - but I never got close enough to shake his hand -- and I was NO Goldwater girl!

[stillcool]

41. Mis-remembering?

[Hepburn]

47. Sleep deprivation?

:shrug:

[global1]

50. Pander, Pander, Pander.......nt

[noel711]

54. Dr. King didn't come to Chicago until 1966..

I was there.. in 1966 I was 17 (Hillary, in Chicago,
iin 1966 would have been...20?)

King moved to a Chicago ghetto in '66,
to try to experience the life of Chicago African-Americans.
He first marched thru the neighborhoods in March of 1967.
And it was a momentous scandal for the city..
parents were warned to keep their children under lock and
key because these civil rights 'troublemakers' were in the city.

I have real reservations as to the access of white church
groups to King's preaching...

King was viewed as a troublemaker,
a communist, a rabble-rouser, and an inflammatory preacher..
(sound familiar?)

My father (like Hillary's) was a Goldwater republican,
and he despised Dr. King.
He never, ever would have allowed me to go to hear
him preach. I wonder if Hillary's dad felt that same way.

It was only until I went away to college than my leftie
tendancies bloomed...

But look at the timeline, and do the math.
Hillary grew up in Chicago;
Dr. King came to Chicago in 1966.
I was 17 at the time, and I am three years younger than SEn. Clinton.

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

62. From a speech given last year by Hillary about meeting MLK.

Yes, that long march to freedom that began here has carried us a mighty long way. But we all know we have to finish the march. That is the call to our generation, to our young people. As a young girl, I had the great privilege of hearing Dr. King speak in Chicago. The year was 1963. My youth minister from our church took a few of us down on a cold January night to hear someone that we had read about, we had watched on television, we had seen with our own eyes from a distance, this phenomenon known as Dr. King.

He titled the sermon he gave that night "Remaining Awake Through a Great Revolution." some of you may have heard it because he delivered it more than once. He described how the literary character Rip Van Winkle had slept through the American Revolution. And he called on us, he challenged us that evening to stay awake during the great Revolution that the Civil Rights Pioneers were waging on behalf of a more perfect union.

It was sweeping our country, and we would sleep through it at our risk and detriment. Now, I know we've been at this a long time. And after all the hard work, getting rid of the literacy tests and the poll taxes, fighting for the right to vote, bringing more people into the economic mainstream, a body does get tired.

But we've got to stay awake. we've got to stay awake, because we have a march to finish. a march toward one America, that should be all America was meant to be. That too many people before us have given of themselves time and again, to make real. How can we rest while poverty and inequality continue to rise? How can we sleep, while 46 million of our fellow Americans do not have health insurance? How can we be satisfied, when the current economy brings too few jobs and too few wage increases and too much debt? How can we shrug our shoulders and say this is not about me, when too many of our children are ill-prepared in school for college and unable to afford it, if they wish to attend?

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/speech/view/?id=1362

[Whisp]

64. so that could make Hillary 20 when she saw MLK in chicago(if she saw him)

and at 20 she was a Goldwater Girl? which makes it very unlikely that she did see him.

quite a discrepancy. twisty turny.

[Raine1967]

74. he visitied in 1964..

http://www.encyclopedia.chicagohistory.org/pages/410110.html

This link confirms what I saw yesterday, I thought his first visit was in 64, in 66 he moved into the Ghetto.

We went to the MLK center yesterday, and this is what I remember reading. I cannot be sure if he visited prior to 1964, tho.

[liberaldem4ever]

56. If people can prove she is lying again...

If you have good ideas and plans for fixing the country, why do you have to lie about what you've done? How does that help bring people to your side? Isn't that the idea when you speak to people-to explain why they should support you and not the other guy? Especially when people can fact check everything you say.

[RememberWellstone]

63. Sure you are.

Anything she says will tied to sniper from you Oompas. :eyes:

[Hepburn]

66. Could you do us all a favor?

Could you translate your post into English? TIA

[Whisp]

70. Cranberries are taking Vulcan tires from Papa.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

69. You have made a good point can anybody trust her again?

After the confirmed lying that has been going on, one does not believe anything she says - which is not good if you are to be President?

[Whisp]

73. this last one has lied for 8 years plus.

seems not to matter much anymore.

lies, schmies, get over it. everyone does it. :shrug:

[ecstatic]

77. She doesn't have to worry about that being debunked by Youtube

And no, I don't believe Ms. Goldwater shook MLK's hand. Not for one second. Her credibility is shot.

[JayFredMuggs]

83. THERE MUST BE A WAY to pinpoint MLK in Chicago giving a speech

In ANY year when Hillary could have been in High School. That narrows it down to 4 years, we know when she graduated HS and went to Wellesley.

She said it was in January, that narrows it down even further.

Now, where can we find a biographical or newspaper account of MLK in Chicago in those exact 4 January's?

[mkultra]

92. There is, here it is

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2007/12/hillary_and_martin_luther_king.html


he was a visiting speaker and here are the speech dates.

[CoffeeCat]

85. The problem is the disparity in her behavior...

She's campaigned like a dirty dog for the past several months.

Between her lies, the mocking, the screeching, the planting questions
and her insistence that pledged delegates can be stolen away, it's
a bit surreal.

These soft tones--as if she's reading a beddy-bye story--just don't
mesh with the vitriolic machine she is on a day-to-day basis.

It's disturbing.

I didn't buy one word of what she said today. Six months ago, I
might have, but after what she's shown us in these last months--I
don't trust that she has one shred of decency.

[invictus]

87. Hillary was a Goldwater Republican and the President of the Wellesley College Republicans. n/t

[Jed Dilligan]

90. I'm starting to think she's delusional

I just can't wrap my mind around how else she could come up with these lies.

I guess she must know that she is neither tough enough to lead the country nor liberal enough to enact positive change. The lies seem to come from a deep, deep lack of confidence in herself.

[ecstatic]

93. It's so unfortunate! Her REAL resume is outstanding

There is absolutely no need for her to embellish it, yet she does. It's disturbing and sad.

[charlie]

96. Yeah, she's an overachiever

Got a stellar resume to draw from, but she has to turn it into a Bruckheimer production. It's beyond weird.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

95. this is probably not true. it probably will be fact checked. she'll end up adding snipers.

[GoesTo11]

97. Plausible explanation for the confusion

Maybe when she says "MLK shook her hand" she means when he spoke his oratory was so stunning that it made her hands shake. Could be.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

100. words: she speaks millions of them. maybe she should go for accurancy over sheer volume.

[AX10]

98. I have a difficult time..

believing what Obama says.

[lutefisk]

101. Oh great. Are you telling us he's making up stuff, too? That's just great...

Any examples of what's making his nose grow longer?

[GoesTo11]

102. That bug on your signature is so bizarre

Pretty cool though.

[Kurovski]

104. I thought it was a good speech. And I too doubted absolutely everything she said.

By now, there's just too much of her life lived by calculation.

[GoneOffShore]

106. I found the picture!!! I found the picture!!!

Oops, no I didn't. It's one of Hill killing an alligator, under sniper fire.

[TomBall Democrat]

107. Easily confirmed - was MLK in Chicago at any time during

the year that she was 14.

If not, she lied.

AGAIN.

[noel711]

110. MLKing was in India in 1960

studying nonviolence with Ghandi,
when he returned he took a calling to be pastor
of Ebenezer church.

His first visits to Chicago were 1965/66...

[TomBall Democrat]

111. thanks

Even more than the lying - it galls me that HRC thinks that the American voter is so insipid that they won't question her statements.

it's arrogance I most dislike about her.

[OzarkDem]

108. No offense, but I'll wait for the transcript or video

to see what she actually said.

[knixphan]

109. Got a hard time taking Banana Thunder seriously

on any topic...

It all goes in my ear sounding like:

"DLC. DLC, DLC Dubai. Saudi Saudi Hsu DLC! God bless America."

[pompano]

112. Yea!

You should have heard the way she was talking to a group of voters in Wyoming, IIRC, not too long ago.

She was giving a spill about the way primaries are done as opposed to caucases and it was unreal.

Talked to them like they were chilren. I thought she was giving a speech to kindergartners until the camera panned the audience.

It was so reminiscent of days ago when a woman took out her Magic Mirror and said fictitously "I see Ronnie, Donnie, Jonnie and Paul, Melissa, Mindy, 20 kids in all...Jed, Jack, Mack and Saul...this Magic Mirror can see them all.

The posters long enough in the tooth to remember Romper Room will remember what I'm referring to.

:puke:

Thats the way I heard it.

[Whisp]

113. that's it! Romper Room voice! lol.

[BuyingThyme]

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