Ooopps: She did it again

[Hutzpa]

Continuation of Misspoke/misspeaking; this just keeps getting worse and
worse.

In Eugene, Ore., Saturday. Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., attempted to change the measure by which anyone might assess who criticized the Iraq war first, her or Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., by saying those keeping records should start in January 2005, when Obama joined the Senate. (A measure that conveniently avoids her October 2002 vote to authorize use of force against Iraq at a time that Obama was speaking out against the war.) She claimed that using that measure, she criticized the war in Iraq before Obama did.

But Clinton's claim was false.

It's an odd way to measure opposition to the war -- comparing who gave the first criticism of the war in Iraq starting in January 2005, ignoring Obama's opposition to the war throughout 2003 and 2004. (And Clinton's vote for it.)

But even if one were to employ this "Start Counting in January 2005" measurement, Clinton did not criticize the war in Iraq first.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/04/in-oregon-clint.html



Its time someone pulls her aside and tell to take a chill pill.



:eyes: :crazy: :crazy: :eyes:

[DJ13]

1. Ever dealt with a used car salesman that would say anything to sell you a lemon?

[MessiahRp]

11. LOL

Great analogy. Absolutely speaks to the reality of her spinning.

Rp

[Tesha]

18. Hillary?

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[Medusa]

22. I'd trust a used car salesmen a 100 times over

before I'd ever trust Hillary or Bill again. Ever.

[IDemo]

25. "Tell you what. I like you folks. Here's what I'm going to do."

"Now we both know your caucus states ain't worth anything. Am I right? Am I right? But y'all want to trade those delegates straight across to me, I ain't gonna argue. And you get to leave here in a shiny new Coup d'état!"

[rocktivity]

2. Doesn't she realize that this kind of stuff can be looked up?

And why doesn't her campaign look it up it themselves first?

:headbang:
rocknation

[Hutzpa]

20. Nope,

she is too busy dodging sniper fire, no time to look just leap.

:evilgrin:

[Forkboy]

3. She has to know that since Snipergate every news org is pouring over every word she says.

You'd think she'd be damn sure that every word was the truth. I really don't get it anymore. She's not dumb, so what's the deal? Can she not help it? Bad advice? Both? :shrug:

And sorry Hillary supporters, but this stuff here sounds JUST like Bush, Cheney, Rice et al.

Upon returning she argued that setting a deadline for the withdrawal of U.S. troops would aid the enemy.

“I don’t think it’s useful to set a deadline because I think it sends a signal to the terrorists and the insurgents that they just have to wait us out,” she said.

Describing her trip to Iraq, she said, "It’s regrettable that the security needs have increased so much. On the other hand, I think you can look at the country as a whole and see that there are many parts of Iraq that are functioning quite well."

She also interpreted a series of suicide bomb attacks as an indication that the insurgency was failing.

“The concerted effort to disrupt the elections was an abject failure," she said. "Not one polling place was shut down or overrun. The fact that you have these suicide bombers now, wreaking such hatred and violence while people pray, is to me, an indication of their failure.”

[FrenchieCat]

4. Makes it hard when your entire stump speech is practically a lie.....

and an exaggeration, doesn't it? :shrug:

[pompano]

17. I think she realizes it...

but still wings it out there. I think she is convinced one of two things will happen.

She tells it.

The people that believe her are not the ones that will pick up a paper tomorrow and read where she lied about it. I mean no disrespect, but lets face it, people that fall for this crap are not the most informed people people around. If they don't read it was a lie.. they don't think it was a lie.

Secondly, the ones that show up to be lied to don't give a damn whether it's a lie or not. Her being President is far and much more important than her integrity and truth. The end is the prize...the way and means couldn't matter less.

Some of the ones voting for her will most likely fall into one or the other category. Therefore the lie doesn't matter. I DID say "some"...before I get flamed.

I am guilty as charged. During the 90's I felt the same way about Bill and his lying. I wanted him to be President so bad I didn't care if he lied or didn't want to believe it when the called him a liar.

Thats my opinion.

[Hutzpa]

23. Excellent analogy

:applause:

[gabeana]

5. This is an embarrassment

Her supporters must realize that she will say anything and they blindly keep supporting
Now I know why they call Obama followers a cult, because they're really referring to themselves

[Hutzpa]

6. Guess her supporters are

waiting for someone to remove the blindfolds from their
eyes....unfortunately, they can't think for themselves.

What a waste of space, time and energy.

[last1standing]

7. It's not so much the lying as it is the BAD lying.

How can anyone believe that she can win the general election like this? She knows that she's getting a reputation for "misspeaking" so why doesn't she stop giving the press ammunition? Is she unable to read the speeches her people write before she gets on stage?

I'm honestly flummoxed by this.

[Thepricebreaker]

8. someone page Britney Spears....

[truedelphi]

9. Now Now it's not like she is dating Kevin Fedderline

Yet.

[TexanDem]

10. The way she keeps humiliating herself, she's on self-destruct!

[ORDem]

12. k&r

:kick:

[Political Heretic]

13. This is why Obama now enjoys the largest lead over her that he has ever had

in national polls.

EDIT - sorry, not this one single thing, but the publicity around the many many lies she tells.

[wiggs]

14. Eerily reminiscent of the famous quote by a senior Bush WH official who

said to Ron Suskind:

".....when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality--judiciously, as you will--we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors...and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do"

For eight years, they (them...power and the media controlled by them) have told us about events and what to think about those events. They've even told us about events that don't exist and they've told us things that are patently untrue, knowing that a good portion of the public would fall in line and if they didn't outright believe the statements, they would at least pretend they did. I'm sad that one of our most important dem leaders appears to use the same tactic of misinformation and confusion and condescension , thinking that the height of the podium by itself creates truth...or, if not truth, then at least willing belief on the part of just enough of the listeners.

When you think about it there are similar fatal flaws shared by the Clinton campaign and the current administration in their public faces. Our current administration lied and manipulated because they felt their ideology was more important than anything else; the ends justified the means. You can torture, bribe, invade countries, trample the constitution etc because what is most important is their ideology, THEIR vision of America (corporate power+imperialism+concentration of wealth =neverending dominance). The ends justify the means. The Clinton campaign has an ideology too, apparently; it is that their candidate must win and is destined to win. This ideology sweeps away other principles and while it probably feels like a source of strength it is actually a fatal flaw. Instead of being just a source of persistence, it yields blindness. Instead of confidence, it generates paranoia and fear. Instead of leadership, it fosters arrogance.

This is not what our country needs. In fact it's what has gotten us in this deep, dark hole to begin with.

[anonymous171]

15. Constant oneupsmanship. Not very mature.

[grantcart]

16. There aren't many places where this type of thing will be less well recieved than Oregon

[Independent-Voter]

19. She's a fucking idiot. Hillary, there's this Internet thingy you may want to check into

[JuniperLea]

21. Nice shot...

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

24. Paul McCartney's my brother.