THIS THING IS OVER (Newsweek/Kos)

[kpete]

This thing is over
by kos
http://www.newsweek.com/id/130606
on Apr 07, 2008 at 07:53:03 AM PDT



Hillary Clinton has proved during the past few months that she is a fighter, that she is tenacious, and that she is in the race to win. There's just one problem. She's already lost.

No matter how you define victory, Barack Obama holds an insurmountable lead in the race to earn the Democratic nomination. He leads in the one metric that matters most: the pledged delegates chosen directly by Democratic voters. But he also leads in the popular vote, the number of states won and money raised. Still, Obama's advantages aren't large enough to allow him an outright victory. He needs the 20 percent of party delegates who aren't bound to a candidate. It's with these superdelegates that Clinton has staked her ephemeral chances.

Clinton's near-lone chance of victory rests with a coup by superdelegate, persuading enough of them to overcome the primary voters' preference ....

Clinton's best-case scenario for victory requires sundering her own party. It is an inherently divisive strategy, but she doesn't appear to care. For Clinton, all's fair in pursuit of victory—even destroying her party from within. Her campaign has adopted a bizarre "insult-40-states strategy," which has belittled states small, liberal and Red. Apparently, the only states that matter are the ones she coincidentally happens to win.

............

But it's not all bad.

Yet while the Beltway establishment frets about the alleged damage this drawn-out contest is doing to the Democratic Party, in reality, it's been an almost unalloyed good.

read the rest at:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4/7/10533/63574/492/487686
or:
Mhttp://www.newsweek.com/id/130606

[Seabiscuit]

1. Screw Newsweek and Daily Kos.

[underpants]

2. I know he left the campaign but Mark Penn needs to shave

[hisownpetard]

11. Yeah - he needs to shave his head and get rid of that dead squirrel.

[Eurobabe]

103. bwwwwwwwwwwwwahaahaaa!!!

:rofl: :rofl:

[Vapor Trails]

137. I heard Huckabee was eyeing up that dead squirrel on his head

:rofl:

[Radio_Lady]

144. What a great photo! It's really GWB in retirement. Except he needs a better haircolorist...

That shade does NOT match his natural color!

:rofl:

[hisownpetard]

192. Yeah, because he thought he recognized it from lunch...

[MidwestTransplant]

171. No better way to cook em up than in the popcorn popper.

[hisownpetard]

193. Thank God we didn't have to entertain the thought of a State Dinner at the WH

being cooked on a hundred popcorn makers, monogrammed with the presidential seal...

[Ken Burch]

182. And shave the dead squirrel while he's at it!

Just to be on the safe side.

:eyes:

[PoliticalAmazon]

170. Did you see "Enchanted"? I have one word for you: Nathaniel.

[whatchamacallit]

3. And reality as well

Do us all a huge favor and write her a letter imploring her to quit.

[stevenleser]

122. All I see from the post you are replying to is... Ignored!

;-)

[Arugula Latte]

4. Your post reminded me of this ...

I guess you can just keep pretending, if you want ...

[SammyWinstonJack]

8. We can all do that. Just keep pretending, that is.

:shrug:

[habitual]

9. writing on the wall? what writing on the wall? i don't see anything!! n/t

:)

[Lerkfish]

12. well, sure, lets surround ourselves with a protective bubble of only news

we like. then we'll president Bush.

don't need another one of those, thanks.

[harun]

27. Obama, the reality based candidate, because Clinton and the rest

of you n3wbs are in denial if you think Hillary has any chance left at all. As much as you and the rest of the establishment wish she could come in and just keep with the status quo, we are getting change this election and she is not change.

[JuniperLea]

53. Speaking of mad poo flinging skilz...

I'm not sure why I keep coming back...

[Seabiscuit]

75. "you n3wbs"????

As in "hugh!11!!" or "Get a life, morans!1!"

I'm getting the impression that Obamanoids behavior is merely the flip side of the same coin as freepish behavior.

[harun]

92. Sure, stating "Screw Newsweek and DailyKos" is such dignified behavior

I have had it with Hillbots attempting to tear down the whole Dem party with their vicious nonsense. Just because they are out of it they want to make mischief and destroy Obama's chances. I am not putting up with it anymore.

[Seabiscuit]

93. I'm neither a "Hillary supporter" nor a "Hillbot"

See? You're all the same. You just can't help yourselves, can you? You're all so unscrupulously dishonest and hypocritical it's enough to make any rational person want to :puke:

Go take a dump in your own back yard.

[sniffa]

128. Weird you're not a HRC supporter

since you post in the HRC group.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

191. uses the same arguments, word for word, too.

osmosis, I guess.

[harun]

141. I took all you losers off of ignore a few weeks back because I figured

you would have figured out she is toast by now and returned to being rational human beings. Guess I need to back off for a while and wait for even the stragglers like you to figure it out.

[Name removed]

152. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Alcibiades]

157. We're not all the same

I'm an Edwards supporter who now supports Obama.

You're just being ugly. You're harshing. This is about the umpteenth time I've seen you getting quite nasty here. Have you considered that perhaps what you send out to the universe you get back? I know these are just words we are typing anonymously to one another on the internet, but you would seem to be putting your karma in jeopardy with all these negative vibrations.

[Seabiscuit]

178. You're missing the point.

Any time anyone criticizes Obama or questions him or scolds one of their followers for bad behavior they get called a "hillbot". That's how they're all the same.

As for you, I don't know you, but it seems you're admitting to following me around. Stalking. Naughty boy.

Frankly, I can't believe you were ever much of an Edwards supporter, if at all. I have yet to meet a true Edwards supporter that morphed into an Obama supporter. So I think you're not just "being ugly", I think you're full of shit.

[King Coal]

187. You must not get out much, Seabiscuit.

There are a bunch of us Edward's supporters who now support O'bama. How is hell could we rationally support Hillary now, after all of her lying and bad behavior? Think, man. Think.

[Hepburn]

195. I am a former Edwards supporter...and I now support Obama.

In fact, most of the people I know who supported Edwards are now for Obama. Not all came over to this side, but IMO many did. So...please do NOT act like you speak for all of us, OK?

[WillyT]

203. Me Too !!!

And I really am confounded that any Edwards supporter would switch to Hillary.

I could see them staying neutral until Denver, but...

:shrug:

[EnemyOfTheocracy]

202. hello allow me to introduce myself.

i have been a hardcore edwards supporter since 2006 and even donated money numerous times.
i am now %100 percent behind obama.
If i wanted a habitually lying triangulating robot to lead my country i would adore hilary.
But i want a president.
That's why i Support Obama.
PROUD EDWARDS SUPPORTER HERE.

[Alcibiades]

219. I am a naughty boy

Man, actually, but that's besides the point. Relax, I'm not stalking you. It would seem that we both read some of the same posts on DU. Go figure!

Maybe there are some folks who call Clinton supporters various names, but I don't do that, and I support Obama, so, no, I still don't think we are all the same.

I am/was a "true Edwards supporter." I'm from NC, and support Edwards not just because of his policies, but because I understand where he comes from culturally and ideologically. I have a lot of relatives in both North and South Carolina, and there are a lot of good people like John Edwards from here, good Democrats who are economic populists, who resist racism, and are basically polite, decent people. Folks who are hardworking and value competently administered government that gives them a fair deal.

As a Democrat, I think it's wrong to question the patriotism of other Democrats without reason, especially when they will probably be the presidential nominee of our party.

I still don't think it's good to be rude to one another. If you really need to vent your spleen, might I suggest you do it at the Republicans? There's a lot to be angry about, but the fact that some other Democrats disagree with you isn't one of them. :hug:

[mhoran]

161. Classy

Very classy.

[RaleighNCDUer]

173. Not a hillbot, but always willing to insult Obama supporters.

I suppose you can not like one and still hate the other, and piss equally in everybody's soup, but in that case WTF are you doing on DU? Cuz one or the other (generously speaking) IS going to be the candidate.

[Seabiscuit]

177. Not a hillbot and calling Obamanoid behavior as I see it: as ugly.

I see very little ugly behavior in this forum from Hillary supporters. The ugliness is 95%-99% caused by the Obama supporters. So I occasionally call them on it, because they've ruined this forum with their vile crapola. You call it an "insult" simply because he's your Messiah.

So no, I do NOT "piss equally in everybody's soup". I don't piss in anyone's soup. If someone's soup is rancid I call it rancid. That's not an insult. I'm just spanking the assholes.

I see Hillary as a courageous but very flawed politician. I didn't vote for her in my primary.

I see Obama as a bit of a sham and an inexperienced empty suit. I didn't vote for him either. I don't dislike him personally, but anyone who inspires the insipidness and ugliness I've seen here on DU from his devotees is not someone I want to entrust our nation's welfare to in the oval office.

Of course, I'm going to have to vote for one or the other come November, but I'm exceedingly disappointed in the Democratic Party if this is the best we can do.

So WTF are YOU doing in DU? Just here to add to the chaos?

[Bette Noir]

185. You need to adjust your medication.

It's not working.

[Alcibiades]

220. I've seen something different

In Obama as a candidate but, more importantly, in the enthusiasm of the movement that is centered around him. I was active in the Kerry campaign here in Durham, where we had a core group of about 150 volunteers canvassing, making phone calls, etc. We all worked hard for him, and it was the most exciting campaign I had been involved in up to that point. At the Obama events, we get hundreds of people to show up, and at least double the per shift for canvassing on the weekends that we had for Kerry, sometimes ten times as many. That's comparing the turnout for volunteers in a general election to that in a primary. It's not just the well-educated, predominantly white professionals who did so much for us here in the Kerry campaign, but people from all walks of life, reflecting the full diversity of my community. Maybe the people in Southern California are all fired up for Senator Clinton, but here it's Obamamania. I would still live to see Edwards somehow nominated, but that's not going to happen. I do trust in the wisdom of my fellow Democrats, and in my community, people seem to back Obama by a very large margin. What's more, when it comes to the level of support they are willing to give, in terms of their time and money, Obama's candidacy is simply unprecedented.

I wouldn't use DU as a meter of what the typical Obama supporter or the typical Clinton supporter is like. Most folks here, I assume, are activists like myself. We spend a lot more time on politics than the average person. I'm going much more by what I see in my community of Durham more than the negativity of DU, where passions have been running high on both sides for some time. Part of what's exciting about the Obama campaign is how many average people are turning themselves into activists. I have great hope that we can tap into this energy to reinvigorate the party in purple states such as NC and rake back our country from the Republicans, a cause that I think is much more important than all this fratricidal squabbling..

[dchill]

94. I think that "Screw every legitimate source...

of information" would work better, don't you? :)

[harun]

139. To hell with all the MSM corporate ones, I wouldn't dignify them by

even claiming they are news outlets at this point. They provide only entertainment, who it entertains I wouldn't actually know but it sure as hell isn't news anymore.

[guruoo]

113. Hopefully, next time you'll think twice before you swiftboat a fellow Democrat

[roguevalley]

95. at this rate, you Hillary folks will have nothing to watch, no one to

listen to, no place to go. Amazing.

[Cha]

142. They could always get that

CBS video of hilary regaling her Bosnian Sniper Fire trip in ..where was it, Waco, lying to some military personal?

[Zachstar]

107. Great way to bring people into the party eh Seabiscuit?

Insult, Crap, and fling all over eh?

[ExPatLeftist]

197. Do you really have that hard of a time...

...viewing people as individuals?

It must be so easy and comfortable for you to be capable of taking something that ONE person says and applying it to a huge group of people. But that does not make it correct.

To me, this is but one example of what I view as one of the biggest problems on this board, and it comes from all quarters: Taking everything that an INDIVIDUAL supporter of a candidate says and acting like it represents ALL of that candidates' supporters. It is ridiculous, illogical, overly simplistic and immature. And it does not help the discussion here.

I own and take responsibility for what I say, and that alone. Do not lump me in with someone else (for example, idiots and nutjobs) simply because we support the same candidate. It is amazing that this even needs to be said to an adult...

[EnemyOfTheocracy]

201. freeper as in free republic?

as in the site that endorsed john mcain?
the same john mcain hilary endorsed?
BAH!!!
change your avatar you don't deserve to have john edwards as your avatar.

[Doobie Newbie]

28. Thanks for elevating the discussion

to the level that only rabid supporters of their candidates can do.

[not_too_L8]

32. Welcome to DU

[Seabiscuit]

76. You're welcome.

I'm not a "Hillary supporter" by the way.

[Doobie Newbie]

81. Notice, I didn't say WHO you supported

All supporters have gone insane; at least the ones into idolatry have.

[Seabiscuit]

87. You didn't have to. In context, your comment was obvious.

[Doobie Newbie]

111. The context was placed there by yourself

How about verifying and not assuming what others think?

Unless you're a mind reader, you don't know. I did mean to implicate Obama supporters as well. Your comment, however, was anit-Obama, so you placed the context to it originally.

[JuniperLea]

51. Too funny! This pic actually fits my post...

Posted before I saw the pic... referenced to Kos being another dumb monkey flinging poo and laughing at his mad poo flinging skilz.

[Danger Mouse]

149. And there it is folks, the maturity award for today.

Cause nothing says 'rabies' like a fierce temper tantrum.
What's his ignore list up to now? 1000?

[ihavenobias]

156. Translation: Screw Facts And Reality! (A more fitting pic would've been an ape covering it's eyes)

And ears for that matter.

[davidpdx]

181. Kos and Newsweek

you are dead to us!

[EnemyOfTheocracy]

200. even the monkey giving me the finger agrees.

clinton is done.
she would already have won if it were a tall-tale and fib contests.
the fibber-in-chief.

[question everything]

221. To post Newsweek or MSNBC story about Clinton is like posting Fox stories

about any Democrat.

Wasting of time and energy, the conclusion is known without bothering to read.'

[Colobo]

5. Obama is our nominee. We all know that.

[Bake]

21. Did he get to 2025 over the weekend, and I missed it?

Otherwise, we don't have a nominee. Yet.

Bake

[Seabiscuit]

96. He must have gotten to 2025 a month ago, the way the Obamanoids want him coronated NOW!

Sorry I missed it. I've been laboring under the delusion that there was still a race going on.

[John Q. Citizen]

135. You are correct. And Kucinich still has a shot at the nomination if he gets back in now!

Just not a very good shot.

Same for Hill.

[EnemyOfTheocracy]

204. coronation?

LOL!
he has the nomination in the bag only thing stopping him is Benedict Clinton ready to betray and destroy the party for her own sense of entitled position and dangerours ambition. No lie is too great to tell to get a few points on polls so long as she does not get caught eh? Imagine Hilary running against John mcain. The GOP would use the sniper story like a bludgeon to tie her to her equally dishonest husband and ignite memories of the losses the clintons brought the democratic party in 1996. Not to mention Mcain was ACTUALLY shot down and put in a tiger cage. She would be a laughing stock. Don't even get me started on her VERY GOP-lite voting record and he war-mongering support of lieberman-kyl. PLUS her negatives are through the roof.
SHE IS NO DEMOCRAT.
IF YOU SUPPPORT HER YOU ARE A CLOSET GOPer.
TRUTH HURTS. LEAVE PARTY.
TAKE DLC WITH YOU.
thank you :)

[DesEtoiles]

165. He's closer than Hillary ever will be.

[Bake]

199. Closer, yes. But not there yet.

I don't know why all the Obama people want to declare victory before their guy crosses the finish line. Worried that he won't make it?

If and when he does get to 2025, great, we've got a nominee. But not until then.

Bake

[Jim Sagle]

6. kos ain't nuthin' but shit.

[Doobie Newbie]

29. Would you really say that

if Clinton was winning (or Edwards) and they pointed out that Clinton was in the lead?

I believe that Obama would have faced reality by now and gracefully bowed out if he was losing the way Clinton was. I believe this because of his character and ability to look reality in the face.

[Hugabear]

42. They hate Kos and Olbermann now because they don't worship Hillary

Even though both have defended Hillary on occasion, the mere fact that they would go after her on other issues means they're both persona non grata.

[Jim Sagle]

54. kos and O man HATE Clinton. I'm done with them for good.

[Doobie Newbie]

80. Are you serious?

I don't get the hate for people that don't idolize Clinton.

Hate me if you must. It is a great way to live.

[Jim Sagle]

108. Once again, the hate STARTED w/kos and the O.

I'm no Clinton worshipper. She's been WAY too corporate for me, especially compared to my candidate. It's that they DEMONIZE her. I won't stand for that.

Do you FINALLY comprehend?

[roguevalley]

134. they point out her lies. that's when it started and you can't handle it

too bad. more room for the rest of us.

[cui bono]

138. No, the criticism (which you call hate) started with Clinton's kitchen sink.

Her nasty cmapaign tactics started it, then came the criticism, then came the hatred of those who dare criticize Clinton. That's the timeline.

So if you think stating the facts about how she has lied and run a negative campaign is demonizing, do you support what she has done? Because you sure make it sound as if you think she is innocent.

[Kahuna]

183. If she didn't lie so much and would stop endorsing McCain over Obama

so that Obama would lose to McCain so she could run in 2012, there would be nothing to criticize. Get it now?

[EnemyOfTheocracy]

206. so you are giving up on O man because he does not let..

your "gal" get away with her dirty campaignind, endorsing mcain, lying about sniper fire, making up healthcare stories, ect ect.
GO WATCH FOX!
:)

[JuniperLea]

60. This place is a zoo...

[Seabiscuit]

88. My pet agrees:

[JuniperLea]

116. Monkeys always get a kick out of themselves...

:)

I saw some show last night with a bunch of monkeys flinging poo at someone, and then the were cracking up! Reminded me of DU:)

[Radio_Lady]

145. So, Juniperx, want to join me in the DU Lounge? This forum is for masochists and sadists.

I thought the picture was funny and just wanted to giggle a little.

Your pictures are cute, too.

Oh, gotta go. The neighbor's dog is lifting his leg on my tree. Next thing you know, that dog will be arguing in this forum. Trying to APE me....

[Lilith Velkor]

162. Not that there's anything wrong with that...

;)

[Radio_Lady]

169. Not at all. I don't want to be dressed like that because... well...

I sweat a lot.

Is there something special in Red/White/and Blue for political masochists and sadists?

I believe many of us are now well beyond the political junkie category.

:rofl:

[Lilith Velkor]

172. A Wonder Woman outfit would work.

Keep in mind that when you google "Democratic Underground" the first thing you see in the description is "Providing political satire and commentary for Democrats."

A lot of this is just unmarked satire. Badly done sometimes, but there you have it.

[JuniperLea]

208. I might just do that!

I've always thought that section of DU was a waste of bandwidth... but it's cheaper than therapy, right?

:rofl:

[guruoo]

58. And this guy swears Obama would have voted against IWR, too...

[mhoran]

158. I Concur

Obama would have had the grace to step out by now were he in Hillary's situation.

Just the same, I'm sure both Obama and the party will survive and, ultimately, prosper.

[UndertheOcean]

129. wow , you are really smart

[antigop]

7. but the pledged delegates can switch...and she believes that she still has a chance

As long as there is a possibility of still winning (and the money holds out), I think she will keep going. Mathematically, a win for her has NOT been ruled out yet -- a win for her is improbably at this point, but, technically, still possible.

[SoonerPride]

10. No, it IS impossible. Pledged delegates switch? um, you're dreaming.

This race is over.

[antigop]

19. Yes, it is still POSSIBLE for delegates to switch. And,no, I am not an HRC supporter. n/t

[SoonerPride]

20. That "possibility" relies on a faulty assumption.

Those pledged delegates are the most fervant supporters of candidate X or Y. They are hand chosen by the campaign as the most loyal, most enthusiastic supporters.

These aren't just those with modest interest in a campaign. These people eat, sleep, and breathe for their candidate.

The likelihood of ANY pledged delegate (for Obama or Clinton) switching while the race is still "on" is nil.

Sure, there's no RULE against it. But you tell me when, EVER, it has happened.

The burden of proof of making the scenario believable is upon you.

As it stands, it is like wishing George W. Bush had a brain. Sure. it is possible, but all evidence points to the contrary.

[antigop]

22. It doesn't matter -- it is still possible, and as long as her campaign thinks it can happen

then they keep going (as long at the money holds out). It's all they have -- they've convinced themselves IT'S STILL POSSIBLE.

[SoonerPride]

23. Ah, there's the rub. Her campaign is delusional.

Of that, we are in agreement.

[antigop]

25. Look...let me tell you a story....I had a boss a while back

He wanted me to write a computer graphics application on a very underpowered computer. I told him up front, it would never work because the computer did not have the power to do what was needed for the application.

He told me, "Make it work". Well, I knew darned well it wasn't going to work.

I think HRC is the same way -- "Make it work." This is the only way they can "Make it work".

[SoonerPride]

30. You have the same boss I do.

[antigop]

35. maybe he/she should work for the HRC campaign?

;)

[nebula]

77. Hillary's chances are 1 in a billion

but hey, its still a chance.

[Major Hogwash]

85. Vegas oddsmakers won't take bets on Hillary now.

After the "ducking sniper fire" fantasy story came out, Hillary's numbers went from 25 points ahead to 2 behind in just 3 weeks in Pennsylvania.

Then the Texas caucus came out - Obama won.

Last week she was caught overdramatizing her reaction to MLK's assassination.

She fired Mark Penn just this weekend.
Her campaign is in complete disarray.
They only raised $20 Million last month, with $13 Million in debts still unpaid.

Then the tax return data dump happened on Friday evening and we find out Bubba has been selling his soul one piece at a time for $15 Million to Burkle.

No one is going to take a bet on Hillary now.
They took the board down this morning.

[ORDem]

136. Sure, that's what keeps them getting up each morning, but that doesn't make it right.

I mean, every single GOP candidate should still be in the race as it's still possible for them to still get the nomination. McCain's delegates could vote for someone else, he and any of the other primary candidates could have dropped dead. Possible, yes. So, why didn't they stay in longer?

Hillary's just about out of dough anyway. PA is going to be a disaster for her.

[Politicalboi]

148. Well if that's possible

Then they can also switch for Obama then. I think that is more realistic than ANYONE switching for Hillary.

[nxylas]

90. It's also possible for missiles to turn into a sperm whale and a bowl of petunias

It's just very highly improbable

[GoneOffShore]

106. Slartibartfast - Is that you?

[nxylas]

153. Maybe that's Hillary's secret weapon

Perhaps she has an Improbability Drive tucked away somewhere.

[ecdab]

146. Which is why DK should get back in the race - all the delegates

could switch over to him and, and, and he could win - he could win!

Sorry, I couldn't resist. And I love DK by the way - better than all the rest, but there comes a time when reality needs a hug. That time came a long time ago for DK supporters. That time has arrived for Hillary supporters.

[Melinda]

45. There is a poster here who claims she's a pledged delegate for HRC, but has switched to Obama...

I called BS on her post, for imo, posts such as those pave the way for Clinton and her supporters to to declare pledged delegates fair game.

The OP never responded (the post was last friday, I think); There is of course no way of validating that particular posters claim, but the seed was planted, ya know? I put nothing past the Clintons at this point.

:thumbsdown:

[guruoo]

15. There's certainly no law against switching. n/t

[L0oniX]

34. Well there's always the red ruby slippers. n/t

[guruoo]

13. IMO, Obamagandists have only themselves to blame for Hillary's refusal to concede n/t

[JayFredMuggs]

18. Right, Hillary would have quit long ago, but Obama supporters..

made her stay in!

Talk about spin!

[L0oniX]

33. LOL

[guruoo]

47. The Clintons are giving you guys a schoolin'...

Lesson for today: Never, ever, swiftboat a fellow Democrat.

[Binka]

72. Lesson For The Over The Hill Squad

Never ever swiftboat YOURSELF. Oops. Too. Late. Hill.

[D23MIURG23]

140. Is that what this is?

I could have sworn it was the two of them subjecting themselves to unmitigated nationwide humiliation. In any case I'm comfortable with it continuing. Call me a masochist I guess.

[jettison]

166. hahaha

The candidate who has made a complete fool of herself by stooping to beg pledged delgates to switch is giving the Obama camp "a schoolin'" And you accuse the Obama crowd of "drinking the kool-aid". Impressive spinning capabilities. You are wise jedi master. "These are not the droids you're looking for."

[MessiahRp]

190. If you mean the lessons taught are by her actions then sure

Because her campaign has been doing the swiftboating and siding with John McCain.

I hope the Clintons and Bushes enjoy exile together (although the Dubya better not get too comfortable once the war crimes charges are administered).

Rp

[chascarrillo]

70. Hmm.

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

:rofl:

:rofl:

[Popol Vuh]

14. Isn't it incredible

how many people have no problem at flipping-off the will of the people?

[Me.]

16. "insult 40 states strategy"

good one

[PA Democrat]

57. That just about says it all.

[indimuse]

17. It aint F*cking OVER!

Have smartass O call it then...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WD_LtnjWal8&feature=related

@ 1;58 enjoy the view...It aint over...

[loveangelc]

24. sooner you accept it, the easier it shall be.

[guruoo]

63. Accept this...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5415313&mesg_id=5416550

[chill factor]

82. get a grip...it is over

Clinton would need to win at 64% of the vote in all remaining contests, but one (PA) where she would need to win 65% of the vote to secure the lead in pledged delegates. That is not going to happen. http://www.slate.com/id/2185278/

[guruoo]

110. It's not over until the party officially declares a nominee.

[loveangelc]

114. well the day is coming and we both know who the nominee will be.

most hillary supporters on here know her chances of becoming the nominee are at best 20%, but they won't publically admit it.

[guruoo]

115. So what's your point?

[loveangelc]

117. That it's time to accept what is bound to happen.

[guruoo]

119. Am I supposed to stare into a crystal, or look into a strobe light while you do this?

[loveangelc]

120. If you like.

[guruoo]

175. I take it this is your first attempt at hypnosis..

[EnemyOfTheocracy]

205. i'm with you and the pooch

she is finished.
she is a only a mere calculated weapon of the GOP at this point.
taking cheapshots and spending money so GRAMPS mcain don't have to.

[Zachstar]

132. Same thing Ron Paul supporters said.

And guess what? He lost

Do you think AT ALL that the superdelegates will magically go Clinton and win this? You think the pledged delegates will say.. "Screw Snipergate, Hospitalgate, Penngate, etc... etc..." and vote Clinton?

Hanging in there for the overall good is great, but her hanging in there is doing nothing but poisoning the democratic party and harming chances for the congressional seats.

The supers are not going to go to Clinton, they are more than likely going to put Obama over the top. Have you not been listening to the many saying they will go with the pledged delegate nominee? Have you not been listening to the Clinton supers saying they will switch if she does not regain the pledged delegate lead?

This is over and the faster we can accept that, the faster we can work on congressional seats.

[indimuse]

97. funny..

I do remember you the night Obama's Hate church revelation.. you were about to "accept" his defeat then...my oh my...aren't you froggie again. Sorry, the Rev Wright and Rezko thingee aint over.

[loveangelc]

112. what does that have to do with the fact that Obama has a 95% chance of winning right now?

and in all likelihood, you're going to have to accept defeat.

BTW I didn't accept his defeat. I didn't think it would defeat him in the primary, but in the general election. I was shocked by what that preacher said, but it's been played so much that it's almost like I'm numb to it, and I think a lot of people are now, it's old news.

What is not old news though, is that your candidate's defeat will be harder later if it's not accepted sooner...

[indimuse]

131. hmm..

95%...

95% chance, Barack will have to testify or having to come clean (publicly) about Rezko et'al...now...after...how embarrassing it will be.
95% chance...the MSM will recharge Rev Wright and his church once again, though, the next time, it won't be a teaser.
Do you really believe the MSM and RW have displayed their hand yet??

Hillary is Hillary..

BUT... WHO IS Obama? Inquiring minds wanna know ~~~

[Politicalboi]

150. Obama did come clean

About Rezko. And if Rev Wright is all they have it's old news. Somebody ought to tell Hillary that. And what will happen when Hillary has to testify about Peter Paul????? 10/08

:popcorn:

I can't wait for that.

[chascarrillo]

66. You can swear all you want, but it's over.

[jettison]

167. wow

Inbred, isolated, and racist. Are these "your people"? That guys was about as bright as a bucket of hair, and his argument is as informative.

[Scurrilous]

26. K & R

:thumbsup:

[Maribelle]

31. Obama cannot win unless the Super-delegates pick him.

And if Hillary wins the popular vote, it will be 2000 all over again if the super-delegates choose Obama.

[Blondbostonian]

37. Give me a break.

Hillary can't win the popular vote without counting Florida and Michigan. NEither were supposed to count and he wasn't on the ballot in Michigan. That's not to mention the caucuses and not counting the votes there.

I guess it doesn't matter to you that it's the total DELEGATES and not votes to determine the winner of the nomination. Do you want to win this so bad that you will have the rules change in midstream to help your candidate?

[Maribelle]

38. 2.2 million voters in Michigan and Florida. Then DNC only said the delegates would not be seated.

If the popular vote in Florida and Michigan is not added to the total popular vote, the nomination will not be valid.

[Blondbostonian]

43. Save your talking points for someone else, Maribelle

It won't be valid to you because your girl won't win.

Down here in South Florida, we realize that the election was nothing but a vote on the real estate exemption which explains why more Republicans voted than Democrats.There's no outrage. There's no taking th the streets like in 2000.All we have is some disheartened Hillart supporters looking to change the rules after the fact.

Why are you so worried about the popular vote anyways? It has nothing to do with why someone gets the Democratic nomination. You're using it to try and steal the nomination with the super delegates.

IF this happens, it will be a landslide for McCain. I will hold my nose and vote for Hillary but that would tear about the party. Are you ready for any damage necessary to get the nomination? Win at all costs?

[JuniperLea]

61. You do that so well...

[Maribelle]

62. Down where in South Florida? Hillary overwhelming won South Florida.

Perhaps you need to look at the certified vote counts that the State of Florida has put into the history books.

[stillcool]

147. Are people still buying that stuff?

Editorial: Follow DNC rules on seating delegates
February 25, 2008
By Editorial Board

On September 1, the campaigns of Clinton and Senator Barack Obama (D-Ill.) issued press releases stating that they had signed pledges affirming the DNC’s decision to approve certain representative states and sanction others for moving their nominating contests earlier. But now that the race is close, Clinton — whose top advisor Harold Ickes voted as a member of the DNC to strip Florida and Michigan of their delegates — is pushing for the delegates to be seated.
Her argument is that not doing so disenfranchises the 1.7 million Florida Democrats who voted and that her pledge promised only that she wouldn’t campaign in the states, not that she wouldn’t try to seat the delegates. However, the results of the contests in Florida and Michigan are not necessarily representative of the voters’ preferences in those states. Given that most of the candidates removed their names from the
Michigan ballot, and that many voters stayed home from the vote in Florida with the understanding that their contest would not affect the final delegate count, the delegate totals that the candidates accumulated in these states may not accurately reflect the will of the voters. Had there been no restrictions in Michigan and Florida, the turnout, and thus the results, may have been different.

The Four State Pledge all candidates signed on Aug. 28 stated, “Whereas, the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee will strip states of 100% of their delegates and super delegates to the DNC National Convention if they violate the nomination calendar...

Therefore, I ____________, Democratic Candidate for President, in honor and in accordance with DNC rules ...pledge I shall not campaign or participate in any election contest occurring in any state not already authorized by the DNC to take place in the DNC approved pre-window.” When the candidates pledged to campaign only in approved states, they were also agreeing to the terms listed above, which explicitly mentioned stripping noncompliant states of their entire delegation.


House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) recently said that the Florida and Michigan delegates should not be seated if they would decide the nomination. Other compromise proposals include holding new nominating contests in these states, but such contests would be expensive and cumbersome. The irony is that had Florida and Michigan not moved up their primaries, they would have voted in February and March, when they would have been even more important than in earlier months in determining the Democratic nominee — and would not have created an enormous controversy that has the potential to divide the party.
http://daily.stanford.edu/article/2008/2/25/editorialFollowDncRulesOnSeatingDelegates

Posted: August 27, 2007, 6:05 PM ET
DNC Moves to Stop Primary Frontloading
The Democratic National Committee moved over the weekend to penalize Florida for moving up its primary date to Jan. 29 -- a violation of DNC rules that prohibit states from holding nominating polls before Feb. 5.
The committee said the Sunshine State would be stripped of its delegation at the party's National Convention in 2008 if the state does not reschedule its primary in the next 30 days.

As the nation's fourth-most-populous state, Florida has 210 delegates and has played a major role in recent presidential elections. Florida's decision to advance its primary follows the increasing trend of states pushing up their contests in order to gain relevance in the election.

"Rules are rules. California abided by them, and Florida should, as well. To ignore them would open the door to chaos," said Garry Shays, a DNC member from California. California -- with its 441 delegates -- moved its primary to Feb. 5, along with more than a dozen other states.
-----------------------------------------

The DNC's move may have repercussions beyond Florida as other state legislatures consider disregarding the Feb. 5 cutoff. Last week, Michigan's state Senate voted to hold its primary on Jan. 15. The state's House is expected to approve the earlier date as well.

The DNC gave Florida the option of holding a Jan. 29 contest but with nonbinding results, and the delegates would be awarded at a later official date.

Florida Democratic Committee Chairwoman Karen Thurman said this option would be expensive -- as much as $8 million -- and potentially undoable. Another option would be to challenge the ruling in court.

"We do represent, standing here, a lot of Democrats in the state of Florida -- over 4 million," Thurman said, according to the New York Times. "This is emotional for Florida. And it should be."
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/politics/july-dec07/florida_08-27.html

[D23MIURG23]

143. Obama is ahead in the popular vote even counting FL and MI

Nice try though.

[ingac70]

155. Popular vote totals have nothing to do with the nomination. n/t

[crankychatter]

48. Monday is "Opposite Day"

what fun

[Zachstar]

214. IF being the HUGE word here.

The chances of he getting the popular vote are about as much as her getting the delegate lead.

[DemGa]

36. Who gives a damn what "Kos" thinks? -- I certainly don't.

[Maribelle]

39. 'Kos' is a pure hate-Hillary site. Like the mad right wing, Kos uses the same hate to attack her.

[democracy1st]

40. Hillary likes the rightwing

:kick:

[Maribelle]

41. Knock it off.

[Blondbostonian]

46. You're the one who needs to knock it off

This talk of the election not being valid BS. The gall of comparing this to 2000 is mind blowing. Has the primary season killed your critical thinking skills?

[Maribelle]

56. Did you post at the wrong place? Or are you just chasing me down?

[JuniperLea]

59. They sure like to fling the poo...

[chascarrillo]

67. Loving FOX, Scaife, Limbaugh; hating Kos, Rhodes, Olbermann. You knock it off.

[Maribelle]

89. Is your post supposed to make sense?

[apocalypsehow]

99. I haven't seen ONE of yours "make sense" in this thread, so I guess you two are even.

n/t.

[olkaz]

100. made sense to me, what tripped you up?

Pretty clear-cut to me.

[chascarrillo]

123. Supposed to.

Here, let me help.

You responded "knock it off" to a poster who wrote that "Hillary likes the right wing."

Now, Hillary Clinton has made much-publicized overtures to Matt Drudge, Rupert Murdoch and Richard Mellon Scaife. One of her top campaigners, Ed Rendell, recently praised FOX News for being fair and "balanced". Former President Bill Clinton appeared for an interview on the Rush Limbaugh Show.

We can talk about shades of "like", but the least you could do is to acknowledge some basis in reality for the assertion.

My "You knock it off" is, of course, a direct allusion to your "Knock it off."

[UALRBSofL]

44. Who cares what KOS thinks

:rofl:

[JuniperLea]

50. Kos was a nobody who put up a blog...

He happened to pick a hot topic... that was as easy as falling off a log given the stupidity being wielded by the GOP.

He's drunk on the orange Kool Aid:)

I think it's an interesting read, no question, but my respect for the source went from crescendo to dirge fairly quickly. He's just like all the other dumb monkeys in the zoo, flinging poo and laughing at how funny he is for hitting the mark.

[dogday]

52. I lose all interest in any site that is not objective in their posting

of news stories... I find Kos to be an opinion site now, and not worthy of belief... I don't have a candidate, and if Kos was doing the reverse, I would feel this way as well....

[chascarrillo]

69. Have you taken a look at the website you're posting on?

Jesus Christ.

Yes, we filter news according to our personal opinions. This is natural and normal. Surprisingly, blogs tend to select news stories that they subjectively find interesting and comment on them.

[dogday]

73. But this site allows contrasting opinions and reference...

The other side does not... That still does not change what is being done... Let all sides be heard, not one... This site is known for posting reference....

[chascarrillo]

74. Daily Kos has a number of pro-Clinton diarists and they allow comments on their posts.

Jesus Christ, again.

Don't bother replying. Not paying attention to someone who doesn't know what they're talking about.

[dogday]

78. Of course they allow comments and then everyone

flames them... I don't have a candidate, but I would not like this happening to Obama... You can be as mad and insulting as you want (which does not show your intelligence). Or you can accept the fact that Kos is a one-sided site at this point....

[JuniperLea]

86. But Kos never bumps them to the top like he does the others...

DU is far more self regulated in every regard.

[JuniperLea]

84. Kos bumps his choices up, DU admin do not...

Huge difference. DU doesn't have troll hunters either.

[JuniperLea]

71. Well said...

I agree completely. I find it rather scary that some professed liberals here are taking Kos as gospel. I don't have a candidate either, but will vote for whomever gets the Democratic nomination.

It's interesting to me to sit back and read what both camps have to say. Perspective from the outside seems to be very different from both. There are several level headed posters in each camp, I must say, but they are few and far between. I see it as a race between an "Inspiration" and an "Underdog". Other than that, the candidates are pretty even on policy.

Check out my little friend... He reminds me of some animals in both camps.



And for those who make it an artform to fling the monkey poo...

[dogday]

79. Thanks

I am all for both sides of an argument.. With reference and facts to back it up...

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

104. Several hundred thousand internet users.

And despite what you think here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=5379196#5384126

that number is growing.

[JuniperLea]

209. There's a huge difference between...

Good music and popular music...

Grand cinema and box-office blockbuster...

Literature and pulp fiction/romance/sci-fi, etc.




The former is better, the later mass acceptance and adulation... it's a rare thing when they both come together... and dKos is NOT one of those occasions.

[Deja Q]

49. And next week, it'll be the same thing, proclaiming McCain is the winner.

:silly:

[Skip Intro]

55. TOO MUCH DEMOCRACY! STOP THE RACE NOW! HILLARY WILL DESTROY THE PARTY!

waaaah waaaah waaaah

Is our party so fragile, our system so flawed, that any candidate could single-handedly destroy it?

Of course not, it is as looney as it sounds.

[bvar22]

64. The Fat Lady (Mark Penn) sang this weekend.

Its over.

[quantass]

91. Hammer meet Nail...Nail meet Coffin.

[Eurobabe]

102. Dang, and isn't that man a disheveled slob?

:puke: :puke:

[BumRushDaShow]

65. K&R

:kick:

[SoCalDem]

68. She must not have paid attention in 5th grade math class

remember those two trains on the same track?? The second train, going slower will NEVER overtake the faster first train..unless the second train speeds up and crashes into the first one...derailing both trains (and probably killing all aboard).

She had ALL the advantages, and she squandered them ..early on.. She's been playing catch-up for MONTHS, and the math just is the MATH.. She started out trying to get "sneaky" with FL & MI jumping ahead to cushion the supposed 2nd place finish in Iowa (to Edwards)...but she ended up THIRD..and even a squeaker in NH, could not "save her"..

She should have dropped out after the "trainwreck" of losing 11 in a row, and lined up to bolster the winner...and help erase the negativity she and her campaign created, but she chose to continue.. Her flailing around only makes Obama look calmer, more presidential..and she's created a new image for herself in the process... desperate, mean-spirited and a lousy "manager"..

[Life Long Dem]

83. Obviously the Penn Colombia deal is more important than Hillary's run this election.

Penn flying to Colombia would be pretty stupid if you were winning this election - now wouldn't it. She knows her chances or would never have taken a chance like that.

[Khaotic]

98. Damn ...

That graphic is harsh!

And funny as shit!!!

[apocalypsehow]

105. That graphic is spot-on, and pretty much sums the situation up.

:thumbsup:

[TexasObserver]

133. That photo seems to capture the madness into which she has descended.

She does seem to have lost touch with reality. She loves the attention of running for president.

[ericblair]

168. I love your motivational poster there!

I wish I could use for background on my desktop but my kids would see it.

[Eurobabe]

101. With Obama about even in PA, I'd say so.

But, there's always Puerto Rico.

[AGirl]

109. I don't really care what Kos thinks.

[OzarkDem]

118. How old was Kos during the Clinton years?

[Dr Fate]

121. He served in the U.S. Army from 1989 through 1992- so he was over 18.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markos_Moulitsas_Z%C3%BAniga

What is the point of bringing his age into this?

[OzarkDem]

125. Interesting

very interesting....

[Dr Fate]

130. Yup-facts are interesting. Lotsa folks with working class, military backgrounds like Obama.

Not just the teen-aged, latte sipping, hippy, straw-man set. ;)

[Algorem]

189. what did he do in "the perfect society",i mean the army?

[Dr Fate]

207. Peeled potatoes? Bounced quarters on his bed? Training & stuff? Why does it matter?

He spent 4 years there and apparently served honorably- that was all I needed to know.

I wouldnt know exactly what he did w/ his time there- but Why do you ask? Do certain duties performed for the military afford less credibility to craft an analysis on the election or something?

The only reason I looked it up was to establish that he was a mainstream, working adult during the Clinton years.

Are the exact duties of anyone who serves in the army things that I should know more about?

Either way, I like his article, and he was not a kid or a teen during the Clinton years.

[Algorem]

210. yeah it doesn't matter what the u.s. military does with a person

while they have the chance.he could be the manchurian blogger for all you know,but it doesn't matter just make sure you salute his holy ass if you ever see him.

i've never heard anyone refer to the army as "the ideal society"

very weird.

"Moulitsas is a fellow at the New Politics Institute, a think tank of the New Democrat Network, founded by Simon Rosenberg in 1996.

The NDN's stated purpose is to help elect "centrist" Democrats,

and is considered by many to be a successor to the centrist Democratic Leadership Council (DLC),

an organization that Simon Rosenberg resigned from in 1996. Howard Dean's 2004 campaign manager, Joe Trippi is also a fellow of the New Politics Institute."



"By June 9, 2003, when Moulitsas' consulting firm, Armstrong Zúniga, began working for Howard Dean's presidential campaign, Moulitsas says he chose to work with Howard Dean rather than join the

Central Intelligence Agency."



he grew up in El Salvador until his family got out 'because of the war' there,he ends up a republican in the u.s. and joins the u.s. army.wow.i trust him.not.

[Dr Fate]

211. LOL! If you say so. All I know is was an adult during the Clinton years.

He happened to be in the army too- big deal.

Is there something FACTUAL about his military service that you would like to comment on?

Either way, I like his analysis- and he was an adult during the Clinton years.

[Algorem]

212. you don't know anything FACTUAL about his military service

newsweek columnist.he's so special.like karl rove.

[Dr Fate]

215. Wrong. FACT: He was in the army from 1989-1992. I brought it up to demonstrate his age.

If you go up a few posts, you will see that another poster was wondering how young he was during the Clinton era.

I dont know what your point is, and I dont know how special he is- but I do find it strange that you want to cast doubt on his military service just b/c you disagree with him...

[Algorem]

216. uh-uh,I'm unpatriotic?not supporting the 89-92 troop?

knowing the 89-92 thing is nothing

[Dr Fate]

217. LOL! Who said you are unpatriotic? You dont have to agree with Kos or me.

I disagree with former military people all the time- sometimes I agree with them- like now.

Like I said, it was mainly brought in to establish his age.

Unpatriotic? I wouldnt think so-but there is no doubt that you have some interesting conspiracy theories about this "Manchurian blogger."

We are truly "through the looking glass"- or at least you are. ;)

Anyway, thanks for helping me kick Kos's interesting analysis.

[Algorem]

213. "the ideal society",i mean,is what moulitsas says the u.s. army is

y

[WillyT]

124. This Thread Is A Perfect Example Of...

"It's all over but the shouting."

:shrug:

K & R !!!

:evilgrin:

[blm]

126. Clintons KNOW she already lost and knew it almost TWO MONTHS AGO. They are doing their job

for BushInc - make sure BushInc stays protected with a McCain win.

[DrFunkenstein]

127. North Carolina: Obama 56% Clinton 33% ----- How Can She Possibly Win the Nomination?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/rasmussen/20080407/pl_rasmussen/northcarolinaprez20080407;_ylt=ArG7GlXUd2gr9O13HvKcyfNWr7sF

There is nothing that Clinton can do at this point except allow McCain to get a free pass for several weeks while we get bogged down in a pointless intramural scuffle. My hope is that she goes out with class after failing to break 60% in PA.

[Alcibiades]

159. Barack will win the Obamanation in NC!

There's an excitement here that is unprecedented. We're getting literally hundreds of people to meetings for volunteers. I had thought that the grassroots support for Kerry was pretty good in a town where the Democratic Party is very strong, but interest here is about 5 times that of the 2004 campaign. A lot of people were surprised when Obama carried white voters in Georgia. Those people will have another shock coming to them in NC, as white Democrats in town seem to be just as excited about Obama as the black Democrats. I hate to say it, but I think he's even more popular here than Edwards is/was. Obama might carry our delegate-rich 5th district by as much as 75%.

[Politicalboi]

151. What! Terry you traitor

http://www.jabberwonk.com/flinker.cfm?cliid=1ips1l

[samsingh]

154. how did Hillary manage to turn so many democrats against her?

[Maineman]

194. Devious misrepresentations, and more

Devious misrepresentations indicate a lack of integrity. It is like lying, except worse because it is devious and subtle. I, for one, am very tired of having liars in and around the White House. Even her silly lies about being under fire when she was not, and all the rest. It leads me to wonder how many of her near-tears were phony.

Her tough guy act. As Bill Clinton once said, It is better to be wrong and strong than right and weak. No way. I want someone who is more likely to show wisdom than power. I am really tired of having power freaks in the White House.

Her political plotting. As Dick Cheney once said, Principles (or integrity) are not worth anything if you lose. I see the same value system in the Clintons.

Incompetence (seen in campaign), and a sense of entitlement to be President of the United States. As Bill Clinton said recently, Give me a break!

I am sorry, but she is not the kind of person I wish to see as president.

[samsingh]

218. and she seems to be fine cosying up to old enemies that

still hurt the rest of us - murdoch

[LibertyorDeath]

160. The DLC was counting on the Coronation of Hillary

to further it's PRO Corporate Agenda aka rethug lite

so I'll do a dance of Joy when She (Clinton the sell out) goes down in flames.

[AZBlue]

163. IMO, this is the most important part of this article - and of this situation:

But if Beltway bigwigs steal a hard-won victory, it would amount to a declaration of civil war. Not only would the resolve of thousands of loyal foot soldiers and the party's new fund-raising base be irrevocably shaken, but it would torpedo the opportunity to build and strengthen a new generation of Democrats.

Not only the fundraising aspect of this party would be shaken, but something far more important as well: trust and faith. I don't know what I would do if the Dem party were to allow Clinton and her thugs to steal the nomination. It was bad enough when the GOP did that to us twice, but to have your own party do that to you...it's beyond repair.

[Apollo11]

180. Whoever gets the nomination, millions of Democrats will be disappointed.

Kos is saying that 14 million Obama voters are more important than 14 million Hillary voters.

He is saying we have to worry about offending the Obama voters - but at the same time who cares about Hillary's voters?

He is saying the superdelegates should not pay attention to peripheral issues like which candidate wins the popular vote.

Right now it is still too early to say which candidate will have received the most votes across all 50 States.

[DesEtoiles]

164. kick

[mcollier]

174. Hot New Obama Video and Song - The Obama Crowd

Must See....

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1302181687759937438



Vote for Barack Obama, but for what he represents, his message, his wisdom, his intellect, his judgment, his commitment to helping every American. We can all be a part of strenghtning American had charting a new course.

Visit www.BarackObama.com Find out how you can join the movement.

Thanks.

[kentj44]

176. ALL THIS ASIDE

clinton has proven that if she can't win the nomination she will assure us that no dem will win the whitehouse,selfish and hubris person who thinks she just deserves the presidency.

[ima_sinnic]

179. Clinton has lowered herself to desperately begging for delegates to switch to her

she's coming across as downright and embarrassingly pathetic--is she also trying to bribe them? maybe she's also threatening them. so far, I'd put nothing past her. After learning about further connections between those in her inner circle and the death squads of Colombia, I regard her as nothing more than a selfish, greedy, disgusting, LYING opportunist like Bush. Crazy like Bush, too. Her campaign can't go bankrupt fast enough for me.

Also, by the way, since she is NOT going to win the nomination, who do the anti-Obamites propose that we vote for? At this point, talking against Obama means that you want the person to vote for McCain.

[quickesst]

184. Keep trying to convince .....

yourself of that. Sadly, Obama's supporters have, over the course of the last few months, revealed themselves to be the Democratic version of Bushbots. Those who place a naive and faulty ideology, and loyalty to one man, above the best interests of this country. They have revealed a side of themselves that revels gleefully in the destruction of another Democrat, and the more that destruction hurts those who do no kneel at the alter of Obama, the more satisfied they are. The motivation for such lowbrow rhetoric and tactics is obvious concerning the majority of Obama supporters here at DU, and no matter how much you dress it up to be the fruition of a long struggle, that most here contributed nothing to, it still boils down to one thing.

<>

Nuff said. Thanks.
quickesst

[beezlebum]

186. holy

shit.

the post on its own was ridiculous- that would have been fine, but you are SO wrong for that cartoon.

yes, i am supporting obama because of my shameless liberal white guilt, not because of substance. i'm a total obamabot.

i should be supporting hillary, despite the fact that her talk is shallow, and that she has resorted to lame, insulting mockery and negative, authoritarian, republican tactics, NAFTA/free trade crap and associates, etc (wait...who are the bushbot-esque supporters/candidates?).

but damn that cursed liberal white guilt, or she might actually have a shot at the nom...

:eyes:

i don't think obama is a saint, or that he walks on water. i admit he is flawed, and perhaps a tad "inexperienced" (although i don't really believe that sincerely), but it's what makes up much of hillary's "experience" that makes me think obama would be a far better choice. it has NOTHING to do with race or gender.

but hey- at least you're not calling obamabots like me "sexist." the "white guilt" crap is new, at least coming from progressives/non-freepers.

[Algorem]

188. wow.kos is msm.

newsweek,washington post,cia,kos,whatever.

[parkeradison]

196. Regarding "this thing is over"

It should be over, but don't underestimate the combination of the power-loving Clintons and the dirt-digging right-wing talk radio machine.

[Baby Snooks]

198. Why would anyone support her at this point?

I have yet to see one rational reason to support Hillary Clinton at this point. One rational reason to support someone whose agenda is not the agenda of the American people and certainly not the agenda of the Democratic Party if there even is a Democratic Party at this point.

The woman has conducted a campaign based on strategy developed by a man who represented Blackwater. What is wrong with all of you that you cannot see what is behind Hillary Clinton and whose interests she serves?

Would you all support her if it was Karl Rove instead of Mark Penn? Is there really any difference between Karl Rove and Mark Penn?

Her agenda is not even the agenda of the Republican Party. Both John McCain and Hillary Clinton will escalate the war. A war a growing number of Republicans do not support. Some of them will vote for Barack Obama. And yet some Democrats will vote for Hillary Clinton or John McCain. Something very wrong when people cannot see the forest for the trees even when the trees are falling all around them.

Have both parties now been hijacked by the oligarchists/fascists/Republicrats?

Do we continue the dynasty or try to save what's left of our democracy?