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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 12:41 PM
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This is why people should be bitter: Clinton’s job-creating promises ring hollow.
Hillary Clinton’s Irrational Exuberance
The senator’s job-creating promises ring hollow.
29 February 2008

How much faith should we put in the economic proposals of a presidential candidate who has previously made outrageous and unrealistic pledges to create jobs and then failed to deliver? That was essentially the question that NBC’s Tim Russert posed last Tuesday, when he asked Senator Hillary Clinton if her promise to generate 5 million new jobs as president wasn’t “a little exuberant,” given that she had made a similar pledge during her first New York senatorial run—to create 200,000 jobs in upstate New York. That promise, Russert pointed out, came to nothing; in fact, upstate New York had actually lost jobs since 2000.

Clinton responded with her stock answer: that when she made her upstate pledge, she thought that Al Gore would be the next president, and that the two would work together to revive the region. The blame for not meeting her goal of 200,000 new jobs, she said, belongs with President Bush, who’s been unresponsive to the needs of upstate New York. Never mind that the national economy has grown by some 6 million jobs under Bush. It’s apparently the president’s fault that few of those new jobs have come to New York State.

Clinton has been giving this ridiculous answer to the question about the missing 200,000 jobs ever since her Senate reelection bid in 2006, and the media, for the most part, haven’t challenged her. That’s par for the course: they gave her a pass when she first made the pledge in 2000, though it was clear even then that she had no hope of delivering on it. Still, now that Clinton is a presidential candidate, you would expect that the media would press her to say something more sophisticated than “It’s Bush’s fault.” After all, when she complained, while campaigning for the Senate in 2000, that upstate employment had grown by an annual average of just 0.6 percent since 1992, she didn’t point out that we had a Democratic president during most of that period (I think his name was Clinton) and a powerful Democratic congressional delegation from New York in Washington.

http://www.city-journal.org/2008/eon0229sm.html
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Seeker30 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 12:44 PM
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1. Considering the only jobs created in the past 30 years was from a Clinton
Your post is hollow.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 12:45 PM
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2. This was HER promise not Bill's.
Bill has shown what he can do. She seems to get not much done on her own.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 12:46 PM
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3. What does Bill Clinton have to do with Senator Rodham?
Not seeing a connection...
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 12:51 PM
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5. Don't you know that Bill's accomplishments are actually Hillary's too?
Unless they're bad, and then they're not. Clinton people think they're electing Bill (via Hillary) for his third term for the GOOD stuff of his Presidency, and they think they're electing Hillary so she won't fool around in the Oval Office and embarrass us. See how it works?
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Seeker30 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 12:56 PM
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6. The same thing Rev Wright has to do with Senator Barack Hussein Obama
They will both have an influence on govt policy.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 12:59 PM
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7. Rev. Wright has done a whole lot of good for the people of Southside Chicago.
To say that his only contribution to this world is his inflammatory remarks is a great injustice.

But I know you don't feel bad about it. All you do is hate him.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 12:59 PM
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9. So Bill will use his suggestion powers on his wife to increase America's commitment to Free Trade
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 12:51 PM
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4. I think you're wrong.
to a great extent, any financial success during clinton's tenure had more to do with still inflating dot.com bubbles and that outsourcing to india was not widespread as it is now.
the only thing you can lay at his feet perhaps was consumer confidence, which does help, but that's drastically offset by NAFTA and other trade agreements that undercut our economic vitality.


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Seeker30 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 12:59 PM
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8. still inflating dot.com bubbles?
You people are funny.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 01:06 PM
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13. Bill's legacy you know...see how long that lasted?
It was all an illusion.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 01:04 PM
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11. Bill did good on a lot of things
I will give him credit for that. However Bill Clinton is not on the ballot. When he is can you do me a favor and let me know. I was only 17 in 1996 so I'd like to vote for him.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 01:02 PM
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10. Sorry
Has the constitution been changed? Is Bill running for a third term because I might be interested in it?
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 01:07 PM
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15. Obama supporters love GWB
They would never hold him responsible for the economic disaster he's brought upon the US. Never.

They wouldn't be able to blame it on Hillary Clinton. :sarcasm:

Why don't Obama and his supporters get it over with and declare their affiliation with the Republican Party. They sound more like them every day.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 01:05 PM
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12. Blame Bush
Why do Obama supporters insist on propping up Bush and giving him kudos for destroying American jobs?

Are you all, like Obama, secret admirers of the GOP?
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 01:06 PM
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14. Speaking of the GOP, why does Hillary pass out GOP material to slime Obama?
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 01:07 PM
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16. Link?
Answer my question instead of making up more crap about Clinton.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 01:10 PM
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17. Here you go:
UPDATE: The Clinton campaign emailed around harsh comments from two Republican pundits:

Grover Norquist: 'That sentence will lose him the election... He just announced to rural America: I don't like you.' "Grover Norquist, the anti-tax activist who leads an influential weekly meeting of conservatives, went as far as to argue that Obama's line would cost Democrats the White House. 'That sentence will lose him the election,' Norquist told ABC News. 'He just announced to rural America: 'I don't like you.'"


Republican strategist Ed Rollins: Q: "On a scale of 1 to 10 how damaging is this?" Rollins: 'Ten.'


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/11/clinton-mccain-respond-to_n_96318.html
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 01:24 PM
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18. I think it's kinda hype too
Look at the promise to create 5 million jobs. Is that ON TOP of the jobs the economy is already gonna create? If not, it's pretty lame. Look at the record of the last Clinton administration

1993 - 2.785 million
1994 - 3.853 million
1995 - 2.154 million
1996 - 2.793 million
1997 - 3.358 million
1998 - 3.003 million
1999 - 3.145 million
2000 - 1.936 million

And now Hillary promises to create 5 million jobs in 4 years? That's only 1.25 million jobs a year, which would be a really crappy year for job creation. The economy needs to create about 150,000 job per month just to keep up with population growth. That's 1.8 million jobs a year. Does Hillary not know this? She has to know this, but she is playing the masses for fools with her 5 million number.

Note - those who wish to give all of the credit for those jobs to Clinton, need to temper their rhetoric a bit. Look at 1993 by month and remember when Clinton took office
Jan 1993 - 307,000
Feb 1993 - 237,000
Mar 1993 - (46,000)
Apr 1993 - 307,000
May 1993 - 273,000
total - 1.078 million

I really don't think Clinton had any policies in place that can account for those 4 good months of job growth, any more than he can be blamed for the job losses in March.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 01:33 PM
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19. Good point about the 5 million jobs.
Hillary's promise to NYers was a load of crock though. No two ways about it.
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