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CK_John Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 01:25 AM
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80% of the Super Delegates are the same people you depended on to impeach *, why do you believe
they will grow a spine before August. Politics is about what have you done for me lately, and how are you going to get me reelected? You think Carter or Gore will be of any use to the SD's down the road? Forget about it.

It will not be over until Aug and Obama has more to gain by dropping out than Hillary. It is her last shot and Obama can have a long career or stay in and lose everything.

If she gets out, he will have to begin making decisions and giving up control of his destiny to someone else (his VP pick). IMO, he will fold first.
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 01:54 AM
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1. Haven't seen any "fold" in him. nt
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PetraPooh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 02:00 AM
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2. You have a disturbing but accurate title. However
I don't really grasp your second to last comment. How does the VP control his destiny? I know that Cheney is Bush's puppet master, but I think that reflects on Bush/Cheney, I haven't noticed it in other teams.
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CK_John Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 02:12 AM
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3. Obama is a master at controlling his environment and if he wins the nomination, he could lose it
all because of the VP. No matter who he picks, will not be good enough and will cause him a lot of grief and will be used to tear him down.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 02:21 AM
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5. Barbara Boxer would be excellent. Of course the downside would be her losing
Her seat in the Senate.
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CK_John Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 02:31 AM
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6. It's not so much who. But the fact that his first major decision may cost him everything he has
work for. IMO, he is not big on making decisions.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 02:36 AM
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7. I read your response out loud, trying to ponder it.
Mr Delphi heard me, and he said, "The only way Obama can go wrong is if he chooses Hillary."

That cracked me up.
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LiberalZrule Donating Member (84 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 02:47 AM
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11. Possible, but
Edited on Sun Apr-13-08 02:48 AM by LiberalZrule
not likely...it will be a party unifying move....Remember that 39% of those polled would not vote for Obama if Hillary loses. Picking Hillary would bring them back into the fold. This brings up another point 39% would not vote for Obama if Hillary loses? that is a disgrace. I think we should put the party first and not the candidate. I am a hillary supporter but if Obama wins he will get my vote in GE. I have had enough of republicans. They divide the country and conqueor it. Spread fear to give validity to their laws that take away our rights. Party Unity O8!
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 12:38 PM
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21. He was kidding!! n/t
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 02:16 AM
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4. To Be Fair - We Never Had Enough Votes For Impeachment To Succeed...
Though nothing in the world would make me happier than seeing Bu$h & Cheney being perp-walked.
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 02:39 AM
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8. Sorry to let you down but he has every right to run in a democracy. If someone is not elected ....
Edited on Sun Apr-13-08 02:43 AM by cooolandrew
...then the people didnt want them as leader and you have to respec the wil of the people. It's how the system works or it is something else. In the slave days they used to say wait your turn boy hh uh don't work like that. Not to say your being racial but it's 2008 and that won't fly. You earn it you win it you get it, no complications in that.
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 02:40 AM
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9. No idea what you are talking about.
Or smoking, or whatever.

There is a clear Democrat front-runner, and when PA is all in, things will be a bit clearer. Relax a bit, get a good sleep. Cut down on the MSM.
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CK_John Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 02:45 AM
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10. I just don't believe he has any ability to make tough decisions. n/t
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 02:56 AM
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12. Lost me at "SD's won't impeach, so Barack can't win"
If you look at the realities of where we are, tough decisions are not an option. What I see is one candidate with a strong grasp of what will be needed to tackle the next four years, and one candidate promising us to bring back the 90's. I see nothing in Hillary's stand that differs from the last 30 years of standard issue get elected then get-nothing-done politics, and nothing in Barack's stand but that we are done with that, and the real world needs to be dealt with.

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CK_John Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 02:59 AM
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14. IMO, he just points out obvious problems but never gives solutions. n/t
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 03:07 AM
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15. Pointing out problems is speaking truth
Which is rare enough in politics.

Solutions are another matter...some believe that if only government was active and efficient, we would have solutions.

Some think that it is wrong to seek solutions from government, but rather from ourselves.

Rhetorical options. Myself, I want a Dem in the WH, an end to torture as a policy, no new wars of choice, and economic measures that will not impoverish my children any more than my generation has been impoverished.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 03:55 PM
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23. He may. But we've not seen it yet
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Yukari Yakumo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 02:56 AM
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13. You are *beyond* insane.
Impeachment is not a simple matter as you like to believe. Do you think it'll go anywhere with the RePuke Roadblock Machine firmly entrenched in the Senate?

And the rest of your post... Sorry, are you truly *that* desperate? How old are you really? 7? 8? Your grasp on things is totally pathetic.
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LiberalZrule Donating Member (84 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 03:23 AM
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16. Obama's strength as
president will be overshadowed by a much more experienced cabinet he will obviously select to shore up his political weaknesses. All presidents do it. Look at Bush Jr. There has been so many jokes that dick is the real president it is beyond funny. Keep this in mind.
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LiberalZrule Donating Member (84 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 03:23 AM
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17. Obama's strength as
president will be overshadowed by a much more experienced cabinet he will obviously select to shore up his political weaknesses. All presidents do it. Look at Bush Jr. There has been so many jokes that dick is the real president it is beyond funny. Keep this in mind.
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Heathen57 Donating Member (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 03:54 AM
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19. Sorry, but I think his strength as President
will be elevated by the cabinet he selects. Men and women who are honest and want to follow through on his ideals.

With the right kind of people, he has the ability to outshine even the high expectations of those here at DU.
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my3boyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 03:54 AM
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18. What in the world are you smoking? nt
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 05:31 AM
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20. spurious comparison
oh, and I didn't depend on the congress impeaching bush. Most of the SDs have already endorsed. If you think this is comparable to impeachment, you need to rethink it.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 12:39 PM
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22. 80%? Really?
Edited on Sun Apr-13-08 12:41 PM by crispini
I'm not disputing your charge that there are a lot of elected officials on there, but what about the DNC members that are just party activists, etc? Is it really 80%?

Edited to add: A quick look at this page:

http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/01/superdelegates-who-havent-endorsed.html

To me, it looks more like 60% DNC members and 40% elected officials. Just at a cursory glance.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 04:59 PM
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24. I have never heard of most..
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