Clinton's no "elitist"...

[damonm]

'Cuz she went to that well-known working-class Wellesley College - No, wait...Wellesley's a private school...
'Cuz she graduated from that bastion of the working-class, Yale Law School - No, wait...Yale's Ivy League...
'Cuz she was on the Board of Directors with Wal-Mart - no, wait..."Board of Directors"???
And she & Bill earned $109 Million last year.

Can someone tell me how Clinton is NOT elitist? And thus where she gets off calling Obama that like it's a bad thing?

And, will some kind Clinton supporter - I KNOW there are some - PLEASE explain to me how someone who voted FOR Bush's bankruptcy bill in 2005 is a champion of the middle class? Because NO ONE has even tried as yet.

[JuniperLea]

1. AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEEE!

Get thee to a dictionary!

Elitist does not equal wealthy!

[damonm]

4. Nice failure to answer the question - NEXT!

[JuniperLea]

7. There is no way to answer...

Because you clearly don't know the meaning of the word you are using.

[damonm]

11. I'd wager my mastery of the language...

Against anybody.
And you STILL fail to answer these questions which I will pose to you AGAIN:

Can someone tell me how Clinton is NOT elitist? And thus where she gets off calling Obama that like it's a bad thing?

And, will some kind Clinton supporter - I KNOW there are some - PLEASE explain to me how someone who voted FOR Bush's bankruptcy bill in 2005 is a champion of the middle class?

And BTW:

e·lit·ism or é·lit·ism (ĭ-lē'tĭz'əm, ā-lē'-) Pronunciation Key
n.
The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources.

The sense of entitlement enjoyed by such a group or class.
Control, rule, or domination by such a group or class. (emphasis mine)

e·lit'ist adj. & n.

[Arrowhead2k1]

17. Is that the true definition of elitism?

I thought for sure that was just the true definition of Hillary! :rofl:

[earthlover]

28. True....Hillary IS a member of the elite....not just an elitist

[cali]

2. where one went to school

and how much money one has, does not necessarily indicate whether one is or is not an elitest. Just sayin'.

[panader0]

Yeah, but............

It's a little harder to identify with the bitter folk when you made 9 million a year for the last 7 years,

[damonm]

6. Mayhap not,

But it IS the smart way to bet.
Spending virtually all of one's time with the upper echelons of society tends to leave one a bit detatched from the worries of one's "inferiors".

[JuniperLea]

9. That's not so at all

I've worked all my adult life as a personal assistant to millionaires, then billionaires... what you are saying could not be further from the truth.

That being said, I know plenty of "lower crusty" types with very little money who think they are God's gift to humanity and look down their noses at everyone.

No. You need to broaden your vocabulary and learn to use words properly.

[damonm]

12. You might note...

that I said "tends to"; NOT the absolute you wanted it to be. I can also quote experiential evidence opposite to yours. I stand by that statement, and suggest you take your OWN advice on proper use of words.

[cali]

13. ack. I grew up in the milieu you profess to be familiar

with, and thus likely have at least much an understanding of it. Although, money and pedigree don't absolutely dictate who is and is not an "elitest". Odds are that if one grew up in Greenwich CT, attended Choate and Yale, one is more likely to be an elitest than someone who grew up in Hackensack and attended public school. It's not absolute of course, and the fact is that neither Hillary or Obama grew up in that sort of environment, but it's nonsense to say that "lower crusty" types,by and large, are the elitests. It's nice that your employers were gracious to you- the hired help- but that really doesn't mean very much.

[damonm]

14. Thank you - you said that better than I did.

[JuniperLea]

21. I never said the "lower crusty" folk were "by and large" the elitists

I said I've known several who were, meaning it isn't a requirement for the smug, snobbish and condescending to have money of their own in great measure.

Sometimes the "hired help" is actually family "hired" to work in the home office... just saying. It's done all the time as a means to keep it in the family.

[goldcanyonaz]

3. They're both elite, who gives a fuck.

[damonm]

5. DING DING DING

PRECISELY my point.

[Skittles]

8. please stop this garbage

don't you understand that money or where one went to school has NOTHING to do with ELITISM? IT'S A FUCKING ATTITUDE. I think neither HRC nor Obama is an "elitist".

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[boston bean]

15. They did not earn 109M last year. It was over 7 years.

[damonm]

16. I stand corrected on that fact - thanks.

[jillan]

18. About the bankruptcy bill - Obama voted for letting the banks charge 30% on credit cards.

That is pretty gross too.

AND she didn't vote for the 2005 version of the bill, she voted for the 2001 bill.
Look it up.

[Mags]

20. they can't handle the truth. just wasting your time.

[damonm]

22. Not quite -

I DID look it up, and it WAS the 2005 bill - Obama voted against, while Clinton voted for.

And as to the 30% CC interest - you're right, that IS high - I would wonder what it was before, and whether or not that 30% was a compromise figure before I jump on Obama about it. Which bill was that?

[jillan]

25. Hillary did not vote for the 2005 bill - she wasn't there!

Bill Clinton was having his open heart surgery that day.

[karynnj]

24. The Senators who voted against the 30% limit

were in some cases concerned that that limit could be used to say the LOWER state limit was not valid. There appeared to be some disagreement if that could happen. Therefore you have 2 groups of Senators there - some of the most liberal and some of the worst Republicans. The fact is that he voted against the entire bill.

The 2001 bill was no better - other than in one aspect how child support payments were handled. It was a very bad bill.

[jillan]

26. I agree - ALL those bills were awful!

(And that was hard to defend when I was supporting Biden.)

[Zodiak]

19. If I may interject

Wasn't she not present for that particular vote?

Or was that a free trade deal?

*Googling*

Yup...she was not present for the bankruptcy vote. Bill was in surgery.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00044#position

[WA98070]

23. I would think that belonging to an exclusive 100 person club makes one elite...

[JuniperLea]

27. I think there's a snobby difference between

Being an elitist and actually being elite.

There are very few astronauts, for example... and elite group, indeed. But are any of them elitist snobs? Maybe, maybe not.

Now, if you have a club that won't let you in for some reason, then you might say the club is elitist.