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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:08 AM
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Barack Obama will be the Democratic nominee for President
Sorry Hillary supporters. I see your glee in some threads. The joy some of you (note I say some, not all) take in ABC News taking debate questioning tips from FAUX News and Sean Insanity. Yes, Hill had a relatively easy time of it last night even though she admitted she lied about Bosnia there was no real follow-up and Obama was his usual gentlemanly self. I don't mind that Obama got tough questions. I think he handled them well and with sincerity. It is disappointing however to see some of you want to Thank ABC for a debate which focused so little on issues but rather on issues that relatively few people really care about and some of you actually think Hillary will get a huge boost out of this! If anything, negativity has destroyed her campaign.

1) Pennsylvania was always Hill's to lose. She began with a twenty-plus point lead. If she wins it won't be a surprise and it won't change the basics of this race that Obama is ahead in total states won, delegates won and popular vote. There will not be a huge surge to Hillary, and furthermore if her victory is not by double-digits it can be argued that Obama made inroads in a Clinton state.

2) Negative campaigning have turned off Americans. Yes, the references to Rev Wright and to "bittergate" dominate the news cycle but it hasn't caused Obama's negatives to rise, rather polls have shown Hillary's negatives are rising more because these are issues people don't care about and by Hillary trying to exploit them she is hurting herself.

3) At the end of the day Obama will still have the lead in delegates, states won and popular vote. He may lose Pennsylvania but he will come back two weeks later with a huge win in North Carolina which may actually be larger than any Hillary victory out of PA. He has a 50-50 chance of winning Indiana. He will win Oregon and take the final two contests in Montana and South Dakota (a recent poll of SD indicates he has a double digit-lead and Montana is in a region that Obama has dominated). I concede Hill will likely win West Virginia and Kentucky. They will split Guam and Puerto Rico.

4) The Super Delegates will then come forward and I believe most will endorse the person with the most votes, delegates won, and states won and who, according to polls, is considered the most electable and honest of the two remaining candidates.

Barack Obama will be the Democratic nominee for President in 2008. The party will unite and he will defeat John McPain.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:09 AM
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1. "I said some things I knew not to be the case." - Hillary admitted to being a liar.
The American People do NOT like liars.



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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:14 AM
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2. K and R
Obama ... 44th POTUS.
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:33 AM
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7. Hmmm.... "Obama44"
:)
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 02:41 PM
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15. 44 is a Master Number
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 04:23 PM
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18. Hmmm I wonder if Barack's sign is Cancer
:crazy:
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:15 AM
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3. Then there was HRC's "I'm still in it."
Read that as an admission of "but likely not for long." Meanwhile, though, she'll take all the cheap shots she can.
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liberaldem4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:20 AM
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4. I think so too-K&R
President Barack Obama. Love the sound of that. :-)
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:22 AM
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5. Kiddin? Barack Obama is our next president, McCain will be cake after
Obama clearly beat both of the Clintons.
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:20 PM
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12. you bet.
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wowimthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:25 AM
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6. not to mention the Debate was co-hosted by a political group that shills for Clinton.
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lojasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:42 AM
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8. Obama44 EOM
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lojasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:43 AM
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9. Obama44 EOM
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:58 AM
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10. Yes! nt
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:00 PM
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11. yep yep!
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TragedyandHope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:27 PM
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13. Yes, he will also be the next President of the United States
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TragedyandHope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:27 PM
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14. Yes, he will also be the next President of the United States
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 02:44 PM
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16. President Barack Obama.
I like the sound of that. ;)
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featherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 02:50 PM
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17. Certainly
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 04:24 PM
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19. all of these threads insisting that Obama will be the nominee is sounding like desperation..
just saying...

if you guys were confident, why all the freakin out?
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 04:27 PM
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21. Desperation? He's ahead of her by 140 delegates and there are only 566 pledged delegates left.
Since even Hillary's own superdelegates have said they will side with the eventual pledged delegate winner, that means Hillary needs to win 60-70% victories in every remaining state, which is not going to happen.

If you were so confident, why can't you ever give a reasonable strategy by which Hillary Clinton can win the nomination?
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 04:29 PM
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22. two things...
1. those strategies have been discussed endlessly, so no need to go over it once again

2. the mistake Obama supporters make is that there seems to be a presumption that his SD's are static and cant change sides... not true. And if she wins a good share or most of the next few states, they will go the way the wind is blowing.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 04:29 PM
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23. two things...
1. those strategies have been discussed endlessly, so no need to go over it once again

2. the mistake Obama supporters make is that there seems to be a presumption that his SD's are static and cant change sides... not true. And if she wins a good share or most of the next few states, they will go the way the wind is blowing.
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JasonHill Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 10:21 PM
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26. The issue isnt confidence
but that the candidate who will become the party nominee is being pelted from his rival with right-wing talking points which do nothing - nothing - but hurt the party/liberal cause. Because many of her supporters continue to look the other way while she harms the Dems for personal gain, it has angered Obama supporters and Dems in general.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 04:24 PM
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20. In 2016 nt
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 04:34 PM
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24. That would be HillaryIS45 in 2016, perhaps.
but keep being diluted, if it helps!

read about the debate last night here: http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_frenchie_080417_the_super_duper_dele.htm
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 10:14 PM
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25. All true. Kick
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 10:24 PM
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27. Blah Blah Blah. Said every month. When it becomes true, it will be obvious enough not to get a post.
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Bensthename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 10:27 PM
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28. You are bursting their bubble. All truths they try to keep out of their heads..
And I give the Obama the win in PA and then she is out.
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