Obam, McCain, or Hillary. In the end, Does it REALLY make a difference?

[BlueFireAnt]

Let me start this saying I am an Obama supporter. He seem s like the only one who MAY not fit the mold, but hopefully we'll find out over the next four years. Until he proves me wrong, I'm sticking by my opinion of all politicians.



Truth is, THEY ARE ALL POLITICIANS. They pander to what their base wants to hear and try to steal a few from the other side. They are all about what is best for them. If they weren't, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in now. We've had Democrats and Republicans in the White House and holding majorities ni the legislative branch and nothing has really changed. Every time you vote it is for the lesser of two evils. We have just been programmed to believe it makes a difference. Economies go up and down, regardless of who's in charge. Tell me how anyone's life has really changed because of who's in charge. I don't mean the way we feel about things, I mean how has it REALLY changed. I consider myself liberal, but I'm also a realist. The government SHOULD take care of those who can't take care of themselves, but only a fool would DEPEND on it. It won't happen. That's why, as individuals, we should take care of one another. Period.

[rox63]

1. Yes.It.Does

Think SCOTUS

[not_too_L8]

2. Yes it makes a difference

Hillary and Obama are vary similar in ideology, but McCain is just a Busch continuation

[MethuenProgressive]

3. The McCain for President forum is over that way ----------->

You've evidently lost your way.

[BlueFireAnt]

5. First of all, you don't know me.

This is why I tend to stay closer to the lounge.


Maybe it's because I'm 32. I've seen only Bushes or Clinton during my prominent years, and my life really didn't change from one to the next. Either way, the government doesnt help thiose who need it, but wants them to depend on the government anyway.

I wasn't around for the Kennedy, Carter (even though I have a picture with Billy when I was a child), or enough presidents to really relate many to the others. I'm not trying to start a bunch of shit, just voicing my opinion, which is Obama is the closest to a genuine person and not part of a political machine (either party) I've ever seen. But that don't make it so, he could be a very good actor. I've thrown all my support to him. I WILL NOT vote for McCain or any republican, just based solely on my beliefs.

So don't fucking judge me.

[SoonerPride]

6. You sound, um,

bitter.

[BlueFireAnt]

9. Not bitter. But I am from a small town.

I'm not angry about it, just take it for what it is.

[NDambi]

11. Forgive Methusa, very bitter. very angry. keep posting...

[DangerDave921]

12. Presidents

One truism about presidents is that many people give them too much credit when things go well, and too much blame when things go poorly. Presidents -- by the very nature of the Constitution -- have limited powers. And economicaly, Presidents have very little power at all. Yet folks are ready to blame the President when gas prices go up, or food prices, or health care costs. Tell me how gas prices will go down once a Dem is elected president.

Was the economy good under Clinton? Sure it was. But there was still unemployment and homeless people and people without health insurance, etc. It was not some kind of economic paradise as is sometimes claimed on here. The economy was good under Reagan too. Not so good under Nixon and Carter in the early to mid 1970's. Do we really want to subscribe a good or bad economy to the President alone?

The President counts on a few major issues: SCOTUS is huge nowadays. War powers. Federal appointments, including judges. And being a spokesperson for big ideas. But I do agree IN GENERAL that your personal life won't change much depending on who is president. I'll still be married with kids, still have my house, still have my job, and go about my life.

Welcome. And ignore the snide commentary by others.

[cali]

4. ack. I hate this kind of thoughtlessness.

millions of peoples' lives were changed by FDR being in charge. For the better. And I believe in taking care of one another by electing the best possible people- in addition to local activism. Oh, and the SC counts. One more thing: Politicians are people and thus like all people run the gamut.

[BlueFireAnt]

7. Refer to post 5.

I'm speaking of my lifetime. I don't doubt that there once was politicians who actually ran for the right reasons. Hell, there might even be a few today, but they are few and very far between.

[JoFerret]

8. YES

it is essential we elect Obama or Clinton.

[crawfish]

10. Have things really changed with a Democratic congress?

I'm with you. I'm generally worried that the only real difference we'll see with a Dem in the WH is lip service. I'm convinced this will be the case with Hillary, not so sure with Obama. I don't like a lot of McCain's policies, but at least he's shown the backbone to stand up to the nuts in his party (at times).

Obama is the best choice to hope for something different. I like what he says and who he seems to be. Unfortunately, his lack of background means we'll have to wait until he's in office to see what he's really made of.

[BlueFireAnt]

16. Thank you. That's the basic jist of what I was saying.

You just put it alot more polite than me. Does that make you a right winger? Apparently that's what it makes me.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

13. T-bone steak, hole in the head, shit sandwich.

Does it make a difference?

[Imagevision]

14. With Obama? this time it will truly make a huge difference.

[Zachstar]

15. Supreme court

[QueenOfCalifornia]

17. Of course it makes a difference

Do you think for one minute that if Bill Clinton had been president on 9/11 we would have invaded Iraq? No matter how much I disagree with Clinton on many issues, I know we were better off. I am no fan, believe me but I am old enough to remember - I was in Washington right after Watergate and I worked and lived there. I saw what Nixon did with his Republican nightmare and I saw this country scramble to recover. Jimmy Carter was and is a sincere, kind man. I met him and I know. There is a basic difference between wanting to be a Democrat or gravitating towards a Republican agenda. McCain will invade Syria and Iran and he will piss off the Palestinians even more than they are now. His myopic world view will finish off this country. It is vastly important to elect a more moderate mind to the WH.

Thanks for posting this. I know it is a sincere question and I do feel your pain. Do not listen to the nasty posts who berate you for asking questions which are heartfelt and sincere. I was told yesterday that I am stupid. I have been called terrible things in here. Let it roll off your back and remember people are bullys when they do not have to face you and are typing on their computer next to their dungeon and dragon multi faceted, pretty color dice set.

[BlueFireAnt]

20. Thanks for the encouragement.

Some people here don't want questions asked, I see. But I won't let it deter me from what I believe. You're right about the war, but that is a no brainer. And how often does an excuse as believeable as 9/11 happen? At the time I gave Bush a mulligan on Iraq, but this has gone on long enough. But I'm getting off topic.

I don't remember Watergate, but I wouldn't put that type of thing past any politician. I know this will start a shitstarm, but especially a Clinton. I still vote for whose lipservice most matches my ideology, and seems the most sincere. Right now that is Obama, but who's to say what will happen once he is elected.

[Egnever]

18. Huge difference

Obamas entire career he has been fighting for government ethics reform and open government. The other two haven't. McCain pretends at it but doesn't fully commit. Obamas technology platform is a huge glaring difference between him and the other two much of which can be done through presidential order without being tied down by congressional roadblocks.

It will change this country and we desperately need it.

[Orsino]

19. It had better.

If a Democrat will refrain from squandering our grandchildren's treasury in corporate giveaways and wars of aggression, that's something. To the thousands we might otherwise kill, at least.

If a Democratic president won't actually reverse course, we might survive for long enough to elect a progressive who will.

[AtomicKitten]

21. Um, yes it does. Hell yes it does.

[meow mix]

22. thats a good question for the casulties of war

im assuming they'll say "yes, theres a difference."