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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 06:42 AM
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Ayers, Wright, Rezko, and Khalidi are not mainstream folks. Their politics are radical
Edited on Fri Apr-18-08 06:45 AM by indimuse
:::Video of Obama answering Ayers question and Hillary's comment about the repukes not running this time...funny!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlnoXZWRjgE&eurl=http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/17/barack-obama-and-the-politics-of-violence/


Senator Obama is clueless. His inept response to the George Stephanopoulos question about his relationship with William Ayers, unrepentant terrorist, raises legitimate questions about his ability to deal with the likes of foreign bullies, like Iran’s Ahmadinejad. You cringe watching Barack insisting that he barely knows Ayers and their contact is incidental:


Nonsense! William Ayers is not just some guy who lives in Barack’s congressional district. b[]He helped Barack organize his run against State Senator Alice Palmer. Ayers raised money for Barack. Ayers contributed money to Barack. And Bill Ayers and Barack Obama sat side-by-side as paid board members of the Woods Fund. So don’t treat us like we are morons. We are not saying you are guilty because you knew him. We are questioning your judgment because you had more than a passing relationship with him.

But there is a theme here.

The same can be said of Barack’s relationship with his pastor, Jeremiah Wright. The “reverend” who asks God to damn America is a man Barack calls “uncle.” And I do not mean, Uncle Tom. Then there is Tony Rezko, indicted slumlord and influence peddler. Barack asked him for help in buying his Chicago mansion. What about Rashid Khalidi? The former PLO press flack and Palestinian activist. This was more than an incidental acquaintance. In fact, Barack and Ayers helped secure grants from the Woods Fund for Khalidi.

Ayers, Wright, Rezko, and Khalidi are not mainstream folks. Their politics are radical or, in the case of Rezko, his ethics are sleazy. And Barack has maintained close relationships with all four. The Republican 527s understand this point and will savage Barack with it in the fall. His whining, bitching, and crying will not save him the attacks. The attacks will come. And he is unprepared to rebut these attacks because there is no defense for hanging out and doing business with an unrepentant terrorist. There is no defense for having as your chief spiritual leader a man who curses America, blames whites for AIDS, insults Italian (garlic nosed) Americans, and verbally assails Jews. There is no defense for having regular lunches and getting a sweetheart real estate deal from a man on trial for federal corruption charges.

Why does Barack make so many wrong choices? He has no problem hanging out with men of questionable character. He has no qualms about taking their advice or their money. Yet, when it came to honoring Dr. Martin Luther King, a reverend who preached and lived and died on the message of peace and reconciliation, Barack was missing in action. Barack chose not to go to Memphis to honor the fortieth anniversary of the murder of Dr. King. Cornel West, an Obama supporter noted his disappointment.

Corenl remarks about Barack::
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cornel-west/on-obama-not-going-to-mem_b_95179.html?page=19



There is no denying Barack’s talent at delivering a scripted message.
But he has not shown the courage of conviction in linking himself to the legacy of Dr. King. His minister of choice is Jeremiah Wright. Where Dr. King challenged Americans to lift their eyes to lofty heights and dream of a society that judges men and women by the content of their character, Dr. Wright preaches a message of hate and entitlement based on separating whites from blacks. Dr. King sacrificed his life to achieve integration. Dr. Wright has wasted his life encouraging segregation. And who did Barack choose?

The Republicans don’t have to make up a thing come the fall. If they can morph the image of Senator Max Cleland into the face of Osama Bin Laden–an accusation without foundation or a shred of truth–what do you think they will do with the real ammunition that Barack’s careless associations has provided? If you think they’ll leave Barack the golden child alone I have a bridge to sell you.





This is a relevant point. Reality for those who REALLY care!
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 06:44 AM
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1. Sen. McCarthy, you've been reincarnated!!!
:eyes:

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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 06:46 AM
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3. ??
YOu know you did NOT even read this...In denial much?
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 06:48 AM
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7. I read enough of it to know what a steaming pile of mierda it is.....
"In denial much?" = Pure projection.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 06:23 PM
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63. Will you be leaving right after she steps down or will you
want to hang around until after the General Election??

Inquiring minds want to know.

Specious, slanderous post, by the way.....


:hurts:
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 06:45 AM
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2. Thanks, Sean. WHen do you get time to post here
what with a TV show, radi show, and telling George what questions to ask
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 06:47 AM
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4. paaleezzee
This has to do with Obama's connections and LIES!
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 06:51 AM
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16. I'M hiding this thread after this post, so that I don't have to look at the race baiting
on this democratic board.

That's all this is.

Read the piece by a real journalist, instead of the piece you cut and pasted and tried to make look real.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5561665
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 07:18 AM
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37. Enough of your "Race Baiting " , BAITING BS!!!
SEE # 35... YOu are Clueless!
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 07:22 AM
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40. The "race baiting" excuse has become a joke
The thread is about his relationship with men who are white, Palestinian, black, and Syrian. Where is the race baiting? His friends are diverse ethnically.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 07:19 AM
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38. Enough of your "Race Baiting " , BAITING BS!!!
SEE # 35... YOu are Clueless!
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golddigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 06:20 PM
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61. I was going to reply to your post, but you reminded me I have to clean the "Kitty litter box."
Edited on Fri Apr-18-08 06:25 PM by golddigger
:crazy:
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golddigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 06:24 PM
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64. Your post are starting to sound like the "The Boy Who Cried Wolf."
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 07:33 PM
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68. no, this has to do with your shimmering hatred.
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 06:47 AM
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5. "Reality for those who REALLY care!" and for all HRC's claims that she has been 'vetted"
Do you really think that the Repubs will NOT bring up every single claim they used against the Clintons when Bill was in office? They will throw it all right back at her if she is the nominee. Problem is - this time (thanks to Bosnia-gate etc) a majority of people believe she is a liar, therefore she will be less able convincingly to defend herself.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 06:54 AM
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18. Obama can NOT withstand the Headlines across the nation..DAILY!
RE: Rezko Fed trial...Ayers...Auchi ...Wright. Do you really believe this will end..the debate was a taste of what they have in store for Obama!


You people always miss the point...duh...Obama is unelectable!
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 06:59 AM
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22. I believe Obama has a much better chance of winning the election than Hillary
Hillary has LOST support over the campaign, even the support of Dems.

Obama has gained support as the campaign goes on.

The Repubs will try to swiftboat and smear whoever we nominate. With Hillary they have a treasure trove of ammo already available. And a large number of Americans will turn out to vote AGAINST Hillary, not just FOR McCain. In addition to those who simply will not vote if she is tha nominee.

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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 07:04 AM
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27. The more that is revealed... the more his chances of losing.
Rezko and Ayers is only 2 of his problems. Obama has given the Republicans a treasure trove of issues to take him apart with.
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 07:08 AM
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28. vs HRCs treasure trove? LOL!
Edited on Fri Apr-18-08 07:08 AM by peacebird
dream on indimuse, dream on!

A large swath of the American public is already disgusted with your gal.

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 07:36 AM
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49. The media has fresh stuff with Obama--his radical associations will be gold. People
and the press have heard the clinton crap for decades.


Guess will be the media's new target?
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 07:35 PM
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69. yawn
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 07:39 AM
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52. Seems to me like he already has..his poll #'s are steady while Hillary's negatives went up
But then you say Obama is unelectable so he must be then.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 06:48 AM
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6. You get a few more weeks, or less, of Obama bashing. Enjoy it.
Then, get ready for Nominee Obama.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 07:13 AM
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32. Truth..is NOT bashing..
No comments on the issue here...NO DOE_Bama fans are in complete denial and LIE mode!!!!
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 07:15 AM
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34. That'll be bashing, when he's the Nominee.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 06:48 AM
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8. Obama crawdaddies away from his old friends just as fast as bush did and faster
Edited on Fri Apr-18-08 06:49 AM by ElsewheresDaughter
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 06:49 AM
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14. Repetez en anglais, s'il vous plait.....
:wtf:
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 07:04 AM
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25. Kenny Boy who?
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golddigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 06:53 PM
Response to Reply #14
65. Elle a dit, il est tout comme bush....
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 06:48 AM
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9. OOGA BOOGA SHMOOGA!
Barack is plotting a radical takeover of America!

what do you mean we've already had one?
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 06:55 AM
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19. Some poor tortured soul just called C-SPAN *afraid* that Obama will only care about Black people.
Edited on Fri Apr-18-08 06:56 AM by ShortnFiery
The idiocy is breathtaking ... or perhaps it's willful ignorance? :shrug:
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 06:59 AM
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23. I don't feel anything like that caller..
my concern is the GE! And there is a SHIT*STORM BREWING ...It's an Obama shit*storm. You have seen nothing yet!
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 09:32 AM
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57. it would be NO different if the nom was Hillary....
...we cannot pick candidates based on this type of thing. Repigs will do this to ANY candidate. DO YOU THINK that Hillary / Bill have no skeletons in THEIR closets?

I think you KNOW better than that.
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 06:49 AM
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10. Could you please post your blacklist, so I'll know who not to talk to
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 06:49 AM
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12. you are so full of it that fertilizer companies will be beating at your door.
Ayers 40 yrs ago was one thing.
Ayers today is someone completely different. He is an educator. Working within the system. Productive member of society. Well regarded by his peers. Well respected for his writing and abilities.

You are so full of it, that sewer operators should take note if you decide to move someplace.

As for WRight, this ex-marine is rightfully pissed at how assholes like you treat people of color. And he expresses it vocally. He also counselled a mixed race couple NOT to succumb to one of the family's racist siblings, and counselled love, respect and hard work. Since then, that couple has been happily married for 15 yrs, with three kids. They wrote a beautiful letter in one of the local papers, explaining his wisdom, warmth, love of everyone.

face it, listening to Rush corrodes your brain. Reading Ann Coulter is bad for the soul. Believing what O'REally says is just plain stupid. You have proved that those are your three top sources.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 06:57 AM
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20. Nasty .
Why are Obama supporter SOOOOO NASTY?? eeewww.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 06:49 AM
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13. Yeah well perhaps it's time for a little radicalism.
Past time. Civil unrest and violence is the handwriting on the wall. If we don't get some change in this country that's where we're headed.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 06:50 AM
Response to Reply #13
15. you mean, we have to stand up for integrity, otherwise, we will
degrade and become like the original poster? Gawd forbid that happens.
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Submariner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 06:53 AM
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17. How about Chalabi, Wolfowitz, Pearle, Feith and LIEberman
Edited on Fri Apr-18-08 06:54 AM by Submariner
They are mainstream and their politics are radical too.

Clinton was clueless and voted with these characters to invade a country that had jack shit to do with 911. A lot of people have died because of that Clinton screwup.
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godai Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 06:59 AM
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21. 5 more days and hopefully this will all end.
These feeble attempts to raise guilt by association issues are the final defense by a campaign that is all but over. To hope that some terrible issue will derail Obama is a futile last hope that is classic old style politics. As Obama says, this won't be easy, but hopefully, in the end, this is the beginning of post-rovian, post-Clinton style politics. Most people are fed up with this and are rejecting it.
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shayes51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 07:31 AM
Response to Reply #21
47. Don't count on it.
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noel711 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 07:02 AM
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24. Dear little Indie... Please open your mind....
First of all, you're 'cherry picking' just like the
republicans do... take things out of context,
and then slamming folks, judging, without the benefit
of doing your own intellectual work.
But then, I know that's how things are done in this country.

Do you ever work with the public? Or do you have a background
check done on everyone who comes into proximity with you?

Most of us don't know beans about their neighbors,
their co-workers, the folks who are in line with them
at the supermarket... we just assume that we are all people
of good will, and trust them.

You're way off base about a lot of things, prefering to
jump up and down at the least provocation...

By the way, You need to know that here at DU, there are a lot
of us 'exteme radicals' yes, believe it!
Many of us walked shoulder to shoulder with other SDS folk,
many of us were in the room when the Weather Underground
stalked out of the Chicago Colisium on that rainy day in
June back in '69. You're talking to one right now.
So I guess that makes YOU a radical too, guilt by
association, you are tarred by my brush,
my stains scar you now, TAG...you're it! A nutcase radical too!
As of now, YOU are clueless, like you say Obama is..
Now you can never ever run for public off because YOU
have associations with an evil radical!
HA HA HA HA HA!
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 07:10 AM
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29. Ayers, Wright, Rezko..
Ayers, Wright, Rezko, are "cherry Picking?" But Ayers, Rezko and Khalidi? The connection is not that they are “not just some guy who lives in Barack’s congressional district”, correct. But they are just some guys who are part of the political landscape of Hyde Park. Perception. Obama is unelectable.
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noel711 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 07:25 AM
Response to Reply #29
43. Just throwing up their names without real truth is...
cherrypicking...

You obviously don't know the depth and breadth of their contribution
to the culture of Chicago. Sure they aren't perfect, I guess you are.
Do your homework, real homework, take a look are their real lives..
and not the right wing talking points...

Ever been to Hyde Park?
I grew up on the South Side of Chicago not far from there.
It's not a 'hotbed' of terrorists, but its the rich soil
of intellectual truth. The University of Chicago is there,
four seminaries, many schools, a varied multi-cultural neighborhood.

ARen't you afraid that you too are talking to a real live
left wing radical who has an FBI record for being a protester?
I should think you're scared to death of me,
instead you are talking to me! This is gonna scar you for life!

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 07:38 AM
Response to Reply #43
51. The OP covers it quite well.
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noel711 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 07:51 AM
Response to Reply #51
53. The OP is not the truth, but opinion, and biased opinion at that.
Do you believe everything you hear?
Everything you read?

Just because something is in print doesn't make it the truth.

YOu gotta get around more, gotta talk to people
gotta learn more about the real world.

The OP threw this up to start an argument.
Went well, doncha think?
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 07:04 AM
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26. I cannot wait until you get your delivery.
See ya.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 07:11 AM
Response to Reply #26
31. delivery?
splain, Lucy.
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 07:11 AM
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30. You are clueless.
You have nothing... at best, guilt by association and that sucks. He was eight years old when Ayers was a part of the Weathermen for God's sake. Get a grip. You cannot find anything wrong that Sen. Obama has done personally. Your girl is losing. Period.

And, no, I no longer read the BS you post.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 07:15 AM
Response to Reply #30
35. IT's NOT ME!!!! Once and for ALL!!
Please understand...I don't give a FLYING F*CK!!!! I do care about WHO will bring us the WH!!! Obama just can't!! Not with these issue and what else might be exposed!!! MSM is WICKED!
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 08:38 AM
Response to Reply #35
55. Oooooohhh. I'm so afraid. NOT!
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 07:14 AM
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33. Dr. Wright preaches a message of hate and entitlement based on separating whites from blacks?
You know nothing, except maybe how to make fonts bigger. Wright's church is INTEGRATED. Just because he tells African-Americans it is alright not to be ashamed of their culture - a culture that has provided some of the best people this country has ever known - does not make him hateful. Especially because they were taught to be ashamed of that culture for more than 400 years.

I understand you are frightened, but I get the sense that this is not hard to do.

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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 07:16 AM
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36. see post #35
...
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noel711 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 07:20 AM
Response to Reply #36
39. If you're playing the 'don't blame me ' card...
then why are you wasting our time on throwing up these
inflammatory posts?

You know nothing... absolutely nothing,
and the American people are much smarter that
the press, and poor souls like you, think.

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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 07:23 AM
Response to Reply #39
42. you know nothing...lol
fool.
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noel711 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 07:29 AM
Response to Reply #42
45. Yes, I've been a fool about a lot of things, but not the truth.
Know nothing?

I do admit I know little about a lot of things, like nuclear fission,
but I do know a few things about these bogus issues.

And you just keep talking to me...
but you don't really listen....

If Obama is unelectable, so be it.
But it won't be by my hand that it occurs.

The American public is not a stupid as you think.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 07:28 AM
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44. They are in denial. They have not learned a damn thing from past campaigns
"I voted for it before I voted against it." He was telling the fucking truth. Did that help him? Did the swiftboaters mention it? Did the MSM? Hell no.

How about Willie Horton? Did Dukakis have anything to do with what he did? Of course not. Did that matter when the rethugs and MSM were through with him? No.
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godai Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 07:33 AM
Response to Reply #44
48. Try looking forward to a different approach to getting elected.
This is a basic premise of Obama's campaign. Will it work? It will if people are mad as hell and not going to take it anymore.

I don't accept that Karl Rove changed politics from now until the end of time. Have you seen some of the transcripts posted from debates in the 70s? The level of discourse is miles above where we are today.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 07:31 AM
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46. Then why did President Clinton pardon Ayers' associates, why is there
a photo of Rezko with the Clintons (apparently at a fundraiser) and why was Rev. Wright invited to the Clinton White House to counsel Bill after he and Monica had sex with a cigar in the Oval Office? Oh yeah, and what about the Clinton's Felon List?

VARIOUS ARKANSAS:

1) Roger Clinton: Bill Clinton brother; drug trafficking conviction

(Wall Street Journal "The Foster Test" January 14, 1994)
Pardon Granted January 2001 by Bill Clinton last hours as President.

2) Dan Lasater: governor Bill Clinton contributor and state contractor: drug trafficking conviction

(Wall Street Journal "The Foster Test" January 14, 1994)

3) Dan Harmon: Arkansas Seventh Judicial District prosecuting attorney and Bill Clinton friend and political ally: five federal racketeering, extortion, and drug distribution convictions

(Wall Street Journal "Arkansas Justice" June 13, 1997)

4) Bill McCuen: Bill Clinton political ally: former Arkansas Secretary of State; bribery, tax evasion, kickbacks convictions

(Wall Street Journal: Whitewater: "The Prosecution Rests" May 7, 1996)

WHITEWATER:

5) Webster Hubbell: Bill Clinton friend and political ally; Hillary Clinton Rose Law Firm partner: embezzlement; fraud; two felony convictions

(Wall Street Journal "Whither Whitewater?" October 18, 1995)

6) Jim Guy Tucker: fraud; three felony convictions

(Wall Street Journal "Second-Term Stall" February 11, 1997; Associated Press "Tucker Pleads Guilty to Cable Fraud" February 20, 1998)

7) William J. Marks Sr.: Jim Guy Tucker business partner; one conspiracy conviction

(Associated Press "Whitewater Defendant Pleads Guilty" August 28, 1997)

8) Jim McDougal: Bill and Hillary Clinton friend, banker, and political ally: eighteen felony convictions

(Wall Street Journal "Immunize Hale" May 29, 1996)
Died in prison March 8, 1998

9) Susan McDougal: Bill and Hillary Clinton friend; former wife of Jim McDougal: four felony convictions

(Wall Street Journal "Immunize Hale" May 29, 1996)
Pardon Granted January 2001 by Bill Clinton last hours as President

10) David Hale: Bill and Hillary Clinton friend, banker, and political ally: two felony convictions of conspiracy and mail fraud

(Wall Street Journal "The Arkansas Machine Strikes Back" March 19, 1996)

11) Chris Wade: Whitewater real estate broker; two felony convictions

(Wall Street Journal "Hard Evidence From a Federal Investigator" August 10, 1995)
Pardon Granted January 2001 by Bill Clinton last hours as President

12) Stephen Smith: former Governor Clinton aide; one conviction

(Wall Street Journal "Hard Evidence From a Federal Investigator" August 10, 1995)
Pardon Granted January 2001 by Bill Clinton last hours as President

13) Larry Kuca: Madison real estate agent; fraudulent loans

(Wall Steet Journal "Hard Evidence From a Federal Investigator" August 10, 1995)

14) Robert Palmer: Madison appraiser; one conspiracy felony conviction

(Wall Street Journal "Hale Predicts Hillary Conviction" October 21, 1996)
Pardon Granted January 2001 by Bill Clinton last hours as President

15) Neal Ainley: Perry County Bank president; embezzled bank funds for Clinton campaign; two misdemeanor convictions

(Wall Street Journal "Arkansas Bank Shot" May 4, 1995)

16) John Latham: Madison Bank CEO; bank fraud conviction

(Wall Street Journal "Smoke Without Fire" January 12, 1996)

17) John Haley: attorney for Jim Guy Tucker; misdemeanor guilty plea; tax fraud

(Associated Press "Tucker Pleads Guilty to Cable Fraud" February 20, 1998)

18) Eugene Fitzhugh: Whitewater defendant, pleaded guilty to one misdemeanor count of trying to bribe David Hale; is appealing a ten month prison sentence

(The Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, "Whitewater Defendants" February 22, 1998)

19) Charles Matthews: Whitewater defendant, pleaded guilty to two misdemeanor counts of bribery, served fourteen months of a sixteen month prison sentence

(The Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, "Whitewater Defendants" February 22, 1998)

ESPY:

20) Tyson Foods: guilty plea; $6 million federal court fines and investigative costs

(Washington Post "Tyson Foods Admits Illegal Gifts to Espy" December 30, 1997)

21) Sun-Diamond Growers: $1.5 million fine for illegal campaign contributions to Espy's brother

(Associated Press "A Look at Mike Espy Investigation" August 27, 1997)

22) Richard Douglas: former Sun-Diamond Growers official; several bribery convictions and guilty pleas

(Washington Post "Tyson Foods Admits Illegal Gifts to Espy" December 30, 1997; Associated Press: "Lobbyist Pleads guilty in Espy Case" March 17, 1998)
Pardon Granted January 2001 by Bill Clinton last hours as President

23) James H. Lake: Sun-Diamond Growers lobbyist; three convictions regarding illegal campaign contributions to Espy's brother

(Associated Press "A Look at Mike Espy Investigation" August 27, 1997)
Pardon Granted January 2001 by Bill Clinton last hours as President

24) Ron Blackley: Espy's chief of staff: financial fraud conviction; twenty-seven month prison sentence

(Washington Post "Tyson Foods Admits Illegal Gifts to Espy" December 30, 1997; Associated Press: "Judge Sentences Espy Aide to Jail" March 18, 1998)

25) Smith Barney: improper payments to Espy; $1 million-plus fine

(Associated Press: "A Look at Mike Espy Investigation" August 27, 1997)

26) Crop Growers Corporation: $2 million fine for money laundering to Henry Espy's campaign

(Associated Press: "A Look at Mike Espy Investigation" August 27, 1997)

27) Brook Keith Mitchell Sr. (with his company Five M Farming Enterprises: four counts) for fraud

(Associated Press: "A Look at Mike Espy Investigation" August 27, 1997)
Pardon Granted January 2001 by Bill Clinton last hours as President

28) Five M Farming Enterprises (with owner Brook Keith Mitchell: four counts) for fraud

(Associated Press: "A Look at Mike Espy Investigation" August 27, 1997)

29) John J. Hemmingson, former head of Crop Growers Corporation: three counts relating to illegal campaign contributions to Henry Espy

(Associated Press: "A Look at Mike Espy Investigation" August 27, 1997)
Pardon Granted January 2001 by Bill Clinton last hours as President

30) Alvarez T. Ferrouillet, Jr., Louisiana lawyer and Henry Espy campaign finance head: ten count conviction

(Associated Press: "A Look at Mike Espy Investigation" August 27, 1997)
Pardon Granted January 2001 by Bill Clinton last hours as President

31) Municipal Healthcare Cooperative: Ferrouillet-related company; perjury, bank fraud, money laundering convictions

(Washington Post: "Tyson Foods Admits Illegal Gifts to Espy" December 30, 1997)

32) Ferrouillet & Ferrouillet: Ferrouillet-related company; perjury, bank fraud, money laundering convictions

(Washington Post: "Tyson Foods Admits Illegal Gifts to Espy" December 30, 1997)

CAMPAIGN FINANCE:

33) Michael Brown (Ron Brown's son): money laundering; misdemeanor conviction

(Los Angeles Times, "Ron Brown's Son Pleads Guilty to Illegal Donation" August 29, 1997)

34) Eugene Lum: Clinton/Gore campaign contributor and colleague; felony conviction; money laundering

(Los Angeles Times, "First Fund-Raising Sentences Meted Out" September 10, 1997)

35) Nora Lum: Clinton/Gore campaign contributor and colleague; felony conviction; money laundering

(Los Angeles Times, "First Fund-Raising Sentences Meted Out" September 10, 1997)

36) Johnny Chung: Clinton/Gore campaign contributor and colleague; many visits to Clinton White House and Oval Office with mainland Chinese associates; several illegal campaign contributions, money laundering, tax fraud, and bank fraud guilty pleas

(Associated Press: "Democrat Fund-Raiser Pleads Guilty" March 17, 1998)

37) Roger Tamraz: Clinton/Gore campaign contributor and colleague; many visits to Clinton White House and Oval Office; fugitive from Lebanon embezzlement convictions; target of French government financial investigation; BCCI connections

(The Wall Street Journal: "Integrity of the Institutions" March 20, 1997, et. al.)
CISNEROS:

38) Linda Jones: Henry Cisneros mistress; conspiracy, bank fraud, money laundering, and obstruction of justice federal felony guilty pleas; sentenced to three and one-half years in prison

(Associated Press: "Cisneros Ex-Mistress Sentenced" March 25, 1998)
Pardon Granted January 2001 by Bill Clinton last hours as President

39) Patsy Jo Wooten: Linda Jones sister; one conspiracy guilty plea (Associated Press: "Cisneros Ex-Mistress Sentenced" March 25, 1998)


40) Allen Wooten: Linda Jones brother-in-law; one conspiracy guilty plea

(Associated Press: "Cisneros Ex-Mistress Sentenced" March 25, 1998)

I say we have another debate and examine Hillary's ties to the above 40 people. It seems to demonstrate 35 years of bad judgement.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 07:37 AM
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50. Thanks.
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 07:53 AM
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54. Thanks for trying. WOW, do they ever have an agenda!.
The obamabots never let truth stand in the way. I've only been on for an hour and already I have to take a breath of fresh air. See you later.
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 08:45 AM
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56. Rush, is that you? Why do you get on a liberal blog and then proceed to use right wing talking
points? Wouldn't you feel more at home, at some other web site, spreading this right wing garbage?

Just saying, WTF?
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 09:41 AM
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58. Yeah, Wright's a radical... But is he wrong?
Pretty much every useful sunnuvabitch in history has been a radical, indimuse. Nobody ever got anywhere by being "mainstream" - except perhaps people with their sights on middle management.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 09:48 AM
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59. Mountain, Meet Molehill
If you really are a Democrat, you might rethink this strategy of regurgitating right-wing, GOP, Fox News Talking Points.

William Ayers does not matter. He is an acquaintence of Obama in his hometown. He was one of many a supporters of Obama. he's active in the community.

That says NOTHING about Obama. It matters not.

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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 09:56 AM
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60. If at first you don't succeed....
try and try again. Wishing and hoping and begging and praying, planning and scheming...
Not This Time!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 06:22 PM
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62. GHWBush, Stephens, Bin Ladens, AQ Khan PROTECTED by Bill Clinton throughout the 90s
Edited on Fri Apr-18-08 06:22 PM by blm
and you think Ayers and Wright are dangerous to our country?

Do you even HAVE access to the National Security Archives, indi?
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 06:56 PM
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66. Has Obama spoken the words of these men?
I know Hillary has spoken the words a war criminal/terrorist named George W. Bush. And she did so to forward that war criminal/terrorist's agenda.

Isn't that all anybody needs to know about Hillary?
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 06:57 PM
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67. Desperate. Really. Really Deasperate. eom
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