Hillary blames "activist base of the Democratic Party" for losing

[ProSense]

Friday, April 18, 2008

BREAKING: Secretly recorded tape reveals Hillary blasting MoveOn & Democratic activists

by John Aravosis (DC) · 4/18/2008 07:00:00 PM ET · Link
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The Huffington Post has uncovered a tape of Hillary telling some fundraisers at a private meeting that she hates the Netroots and Democratic activists, especially MoveOn.

(Funny, Hillary spoke to MoveOn just last year, and praised their work (listen to the audio, it's good). She "personally welcomes" MoveOn's work and says "I am grateful for your work." And let's not forget why and how MoveOn started. They wanted Congress to MoveOn from impeaching Bill Clinton over Monica Lewinksy. This is yet another example of the Clinton's throwing a key ally, a key defender, under the bus when it's expedient.)

You see, MoveOn and the rest of the Netroots is made up of people who aren't very American or patriotic. They didn't even support the war in Afghanistan, Hillary claims, so these are the kind of people she has to deal with. They're also the reason that Hillary didn't win the caucuses, because of those crazy MoveOn people - I hear they would even threaten Hillary's poor caucus-going supporters. And what's more, those MoveOn people raised a ton of money for Obama, Hillary claims, so in reality, Obama didn't raise that much money from real Americans. So Hillary's entire argument, as always, is that everyone really loves her, nobody really likes Obama, but somehow the system is screwing her and making it look like she's losing, when she's really not. She's winning. Sure, she's not winning in delegates, or popular vote, or number of states won, or in donations, but she's winning in the area that really matters: Excuses.

Here is what Hillary had to say:

"Moveon.org endorsed -- which is like a gusher of money that never seems to slow down," Clinton said to a meeting of donors. "We have been less successful in caucuses because it brings out the activist base of the Democratic Party. MoveOn didn't even want us to go into Afghanistan. I mean, that's what we're dealing with. And you know they turn out in great numbers. And they are very driven by their view of our positions, and It's primarily national security and foreign policy that drives them. I don't agree with them. They know I don't agree with them. So they flood into these caucuses and dominate them and really intimidate people who actually show up to support me."

Oh, and guess what? Hillary lied. MoveOn's Executive Director Eli Pariser just gave the following statement to the Huffington Post:

"Senator Clinton has her facts wrong again. MoveOn never opposed the war in Afghanistan, and we set the record straight years ago when Karl Rove made the same claim.

The larger irony is that Obama never did a lot of outreach to the Netroots. His outreach was actually the worst of any of the big campaigns (Edwards was the best, and Hillary's was still better than Obama's, which didn't really exist at all). Yet, somehow, the Netroots still ended up supporting Obama over Hillary, even though they didn't know his people, but they sure knew hers. Just food for thought.

It's funny. Hillary was a big fan of the online grassroots (or Netroots, as we call it) when ABC was defaming her husband in its fictional account of September 11, "The Path to 9/11." At that time, we led a ferocious counterattack that put ABC in its place by exposing the serious errors in ABC's bizarrely inaccurate account of that day's fateful events. The Clintons didn't seem to have much of a problem with the Netroots when we came to their rescue. But now that we're defending Obama against the same biased attacks from ABC, Hillary dismisses us with a wave of her regal palm.

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In other words (Hillary's), "screw 'em."

Hillary accused John Kerry of being "elitist." Maybe he could show her a thing or two about activism and respecting the base and Party.

You don't understand, Hillary doesn't believe it's her fault she is losing

[tekisui]

1. Bingo!

I knew Hillary would have an audio coming out soon. This entire campaign has been tit-for-tat.

He we go. Not a good thing for a Democratic Candidate to say in the Democratic Primary!

End it PA.

[Kber]

73. This is becoming really distructive

I agree - end it next week.

Please.

[PoliticalAmazon]

158. When will DNC and Democratic Party leaders stand up for Dem voters?...

For months now the Clintons have routinely insulted any Democratic Party voter who opposes her, especially Obama supporters.

We've been told that:

1) We don't count.
2) We are delusional.
3) We are voting for Obama because we are groupies.
4) We are not making our voting decisions based on research and thoughtful deliberation.
5) The African-Americans among us cannot make a thoughtful, informed voting decision, but are voting for Obama simply because they share the same racial background.
6) States whose Democratic Party voters did not vote for Hillary are called "unimportant."
8) Democratic Party activists who have an opinion different than hers, disrupt elections.

So far, the Democratic Party leaders, including in the DNC and Howard Dean, have been silent while Hillary Clinton uses the power that WE, Democratic voters, gave to her when we voted her into the Senate, to slam us because our opinions are different than hers, and especially if we have decided to vote for someone else.

Where is Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Howard Dean, Barbara Boxer, Ted Kennedy, and the rest of teh DemoCelebrities when we need them.

This silence is deafening in its implications. While they have remained silent, the DemoCelebrities have given us the message loud and clear: we, and our votes, are not worth standing up for. Clearly they do not care if we become so alienated from the Democratic Party that we don't bother voting in November. The message we receive is this: your votes and your opinions are worthless.

I suggest that the DNC step up to the plate and start defending Democratic Party voters from the attacks of Hillary Clinton and her ilk because some of us may just decide that, if our votes mean so little to the Democratic Party that they can't bother standing up for us, we might just not bother them with our votes in November.

[Tesha]

2. Proud member of the "activist base" checking in! (NT)

[backscatter712]

10. ++ Proud "activist base" member happy to help break her back.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

143. Bitterly Proud Move.On, activist base member here.

[cliffordu]

39. Me TOoOooOoOoOoO!!!!

I am SOOOO happy she's finally come out of the closet -

Democratic elites - under the bus-
Democratic activists- under the bus-
People of color - under the bus-
Popular vote - under the bus-
Delegates -under the bus.
EDIT: Caucuses - under the bus!!


Nuke Iran - Democratic principals under the bus.



At the convention:

Hillary: Under the bus

[roguevalley]

47. don't forget states she lost and caucuses.

[cliffordu]

53. That's right!!!!

Caucuses - Under the bus!!!!

Kudos!!!

:hi:

[pokerfan]

70. Don't forget the "easily mislead" young voters

Bill threw under the bus earlier this week.

[cliffordu]

71. That's right!! is there anybody left???

someone should make the "under the bus" list an OP - I'd do it but I'm fresh out of posts for the day.....

[Dr.Phool]

135. There's just me.

And I changed my registration to "No Party Affiliation" last month.

Between Hillary and the Florida Democratic Party, I couldn't take it anymore.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

144. most recently, hispanics (CA) under de bus.

[L0oniX]

65. Comrade

:evilgrin:

[MethuenProgressive]

3. Nothing in your post supports your theatrical headline.

Someday, instead of helping McCain, why not try supporting one of the Democratic candidates?

[dchill]

7. Why are you all of a sudden talking about ...

"supporting one of the Democratic candidates?" And, yes, the post supports the headline, and the headline at Huffington Post.

[Elidor]

21. C'mon, you gotta put some FEELING into these strawmen!

You sound like you're just going through the motions here. Perhaps you're dispirited. Try it again, and use some exclamation points this time!

[Bjorn Against]

22. Why don't you tell that to the person who says McCain has a lifetime of experience...

And then claims the man who is virtually certain to be our nominee only has a speech he gave in 2002. If you want to accuse someone of helping McCain you should accuse your own candidate. Do the math, she has already lost.

[LowerManhattanite]

28. Spit take! BWA-HA-HA-HA! n/t

[Quixote1818]

41. Huffington Post uses the same headline. nt

[mrreowwr_kittty]

92. EVERYTHING in that post supports the headline.

Instead of spamming DU, why don't you check into rehab or something?

[rucky]

94. DU-zy!

[ekwhite]

96. Says the person with the "I am not bitter" avatar

Perhaps you're starting to get bitter after all.

[Barrymores Ghost]

105. A: How does this support McCain?

B. How is this not in support of one of the Democratic candidates?
c. In what way does the post not validate the headline?

Take a breath.

Lighten up Francis.

Try not to be so "bitter."

[fascisthunter]

125. gagagagagagagagagaga

:crazy:

[DutchLiberal]

165. Why don't you set the right example then?

[LSparkle]

4. Another trait she shares with RatBastard ... it's never HER fault

Battle Axe Bar and Dorothy Rodham raised PERFECT children
who never made mistakes.

[earthlover]

19. Nothing is Hillary's fault....she is a member of the elite

The rest of us will just have to agree that the emporess is not naked

[yourout]

5. This is going to be a juicy thread.

Let's see the Hillbots defend this.

[Shae]

145. ummm....

"MoveOn is dead to me"?
"MoveOn is a now bunch of vile rightwingers."?

I dunno. Hard to spin it.

[madfloridian]

6. That disdain of "activists" is very DLCish. Look at Al From's words.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1227

"There's a perception in some media and political circles that Democratic White House wannabes, like their Republican counterparts, must systematically bend the knee to ideologically inflexible and noisy party activists to have any prayer of nomination or election. They should pay attention to what happened in Connecticut on Nov. 7, where even in a strongly anti-war blue state, voters rejected a high-profile effort to exclude Joe Lieberman from the Democratic Party. The reality is that, unlike the Republicans who are a much more homogenous party, Democrats can only win with a broad coalition. An expanded party base depends on a spirit of inclusiveness; certainly the House Democratic caucus is more ideologically diverse than it was before Election Day. To remain in the majority, it will need to stay that way."

Uh, Al, Joe formed his own party.

Bend knee to noisy activists???

[ZinZen]

91. Well, that is Hillary Lieberman for you.

[Dr.Phool]

136. Yeah Al. Go join Joe. Take Hillary with you.

Us noisy party activists are the ones who work long and hard for little or no pay to get you people elected.

You tend to get a little bitter when you spend a year trying to elect a Democrat to Congress, and DLC slime, like Debbie Wasserman-Shultz, endorse the repuke (another one of her "friends") in the election.

Take ALL of your DLC vermin with you. You're nothing but collaborators.

[bluestateguy]

8. This is unbelievable

Moveon.org was founded to defend her husband and fight off his impeachment in 1998 during the whole Monica Lewinsky fracus.

That's gratitude for you.

[liberalhistorian]

13. No, that's just SCB., Standard Clinton Bull. Use something

until you've gotten all of your advantage out of it, then chuck it aside and trash it, saying it was never any good in the first place. SCB.

[SoonerPride]

9. The stuff the try and sink Obama with are words that OTHER people say

While the stuff that does sink Hillary are the words out of her own mouth.

[uponit7771]

11. Hillary = open mouth before engaging brain. Her real feelings come through....

[L0oniX]

68. So your saying she does that at 3am?

:evilgrin:

[City Lights]

12. KMA, Hillary, you elitist snob. nt

[Emit]

14. More proof that Karl Rove is driving the debate in the HRC camp?

[ekwhite]

98. No way...

If Karl Rove was running her campaign, it would be competent. Just a bunch of Karl Rove wannabes.

[Catherina]

15. Too bad Hillary. Little people have rejected you. Get used to it

You thought you could walk all over us. It ain't gonna happen.

[L0oniX]

69. Mr and Mrs Screw Em have spoken.

:evilgrin:

[Ichingcarpenter]

16. Proud member checking in...... this will end now.. YOU SHALL NOT PASS!

[VenusRising]

17. "when Karl Rove made the same claim."

There sure is a lot of mention of Karl Rove surrounding the Clintons.

It's stinks to high heaven. :puke:



I also happen to be one of those MoveOn members that voted for them to endorse Obama. :evilgrin:

[Barrymores Ghost]

106. Likewise.

Love the kitty.gif -- can I steal it?

[VenusRising]

140. Steal away.

He's awful at catching that bug, though. :P

:hi:

[lligrd]

18. And What Have We Accomplished In Afghanistan Hillary?

Nothing, just like Move On and I knew you would. Why don't you try learning something from history before you support hair brained schemes. Oh yeah, and try reading the reports you're given before you sanction illegally invading sovereign nations and killing thousands of people.

I'm glad to know how you really feel because I no longer have anything good to say about you either. Screw you, Hillary!

[cyberpj]

20. I'm sure this is the true feeling of everyone associated with the DLC. No news to me but good to

see it put out there with quotes to prove just who she is.

[Mooney]

100. Exactly.

It won't change one single vote. But it certainly confirms everything I've believed about the Clintons and the DLC. The contempt that they have for the people who have voted for them out of duty and party loyalty is fucking nauseating.

[WA98296]

23. She's upset that she doesn't cut it with actual progressive dems - Too Damn Bad!

[SunsetDreams]

24. I've lost all respect for her

Obama is going up against two Republicans.

Hillary has continually discounted states she didn't win, caucuses, Obama's supporters, DNC which is the heart of the Democratic Party, now activists of the base. Gov. Richardson? he's a judas.
Some of her supporters here have slammed anyone who endorses Barack. I am well aware that there are good Hillary supporters here, I've seen it.

She is trying to win at all costs, slamming people along the way, the very people she will need to support her to win the election. So her sole purpose rings loud and clear. She is willing to destroy the Dem. Party and elect John McCain. "John McCain has experience that he will bring to the White House".

Move On has been a voice against Bush....now she wants to slam them just because they didn't support her? Texas and Nevada have reported that it was Hillary supporters that have done some wrong doing there. Make sure you get there and control the caucus, she told them. Ballot boxes were reported as being tampered with in Texas. It was reported that people were calling Obama delegates and telling them that the Convention in Texas had been cancelled.....do we need any more proof?

The SD's need to step in NOW!

[billyoc]

25. This has been the constant DLC meme from its inception. nt

[gateley]

26. Somebody sat on this tape since February --

and it's poetic justice to release it after that person released the one from Obama's fundraiser.

[redstate_democrat]

60. I believe Hillary's campaign put this tape out.

[gateley]

66. Really? To what end?

I'm missing the strategy behind it. To distance herself from activists to appeal to PA voters maybe? Please enlighten me. Thanks!

[PM7nj]

76. Yes, to push her "moderate blue-collar" image

For the last 8 years, the MSM has told us that MoveOn is a radical left wing organization hell bent on destroying America. I always assumed Democrats saw through this bullshit, I still do, but I also thought Democrats weren't racist and sexist people.

[gateley]

79. Okay - got it -- thanks.

Another mover on her campaign's part, then, that makes me wonder why they think they NEED ammo like this. Well, maybe I don't wonder why they think that... they're the underdog and flailing.

[NorthCarolina]

124. I also think this was an intentional release by the Clinton camp

In a hail Mary pass to socially-conservative leaning Independents that she and the DLC think are out there waiting to find "their" candidate. This is no doubt a huge error on her part, as I believe that America is far more socially progressive than the Republicans, the corporate media, or the DLC would like us to believe.

[Dr.Phool]

138. Her "blue collar image" is nothing but bullshit.

When her former boss, Sam Walton violated federal labor law in front of 7 witnesses, threatening to close down a warehouse if they unionized, he knew he had a good lawyer on his board of directors to fight for him.

[ksquire]

175. would that make it EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!! ? NT

[redqueen]

27. I want to say that I can't believe she used Rove's lie.

Sadly... I can't.

[boppers]

29. Hillary's complaining about staunch democratic supporters?

Gee, sorry Hillary, but the party comes first.

[fed_up_mother]

147. Love that! Is that a bumper sticker?

[Sarah Ibarruri]

30. Oh shit. Ths means she's been a war hawk all along and was merely hiding it

".....................................MoveOn didn't even want us to go into Afghanistan. I mean, that's what we're dealing with. ..................................And they are very driven by their view of our positions, and It's primarily national security and foreign policy that drives them. I don't agree with them. They know I don't agree with them. So they flood into these caucuses and dominate them and really intimidate people who actually show up to support me."

[Usrename]

33. A whole lot of her supporters don't believe that she is pro-war.

Even when her words and her behavior should leave no doubt at all.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

35. Wow. I mean, she's a beautiful and very brilliant woman, so I can see her admirers might be

obsessed with her, but my GOODNESS she's DEFINITELY a war hawk.

[ClassWarrior]

34. Good catch. So co-signing the Blank Check for Invasion wasn't a mistake?...

Hmmm...

NGU.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

36. She scares me nt

[tomp]

115. hiding? really? i think her pro-war position has been obvious. nt

[fed-up]

31. explains Bob Mulholland's comments about bloggers and netroots as "fringe" and "pre-nursing home:

neck hurts to much to find original story

The California Majority Report // Courage Campaign Keeps Up the ...
Nov 20, 2007 ... long-time CDP spokesman Bob Mulholland desperately attempted to silence it. On the eve of the meeting, Mulholland insulted netroots ...
www.camajorityreport.com/index.php?module=articles& func=display&ptid=9&aid=2464 - 38k

and explains why his wife, my county supervisor, got selected as a Clinton delegate last weekend

http://www.couragecampaign.org/page/community/post_comment/juliarosen/BnX/BJV/zxqD2

But it gets worse. On Friday, the first day of the convention, Mullholland made the following comments to the Guardian (UK) about the movement to censure Senator Feinstein:

For Bob Mulholland, a campaign adviser to California Democrats who has known Feinstein since her time as San Francisco mayor, the backlash against Feinstein amounts to a betrayal rather than a defence of the party's core principles. Mulholland blasted the bloggers and activists supporting the censure resolution as "fringe" and "pre-nursing home".

"The Democratic party's purpose is to remind armchair activists that the duty is to elect a Democrat to the White House so we can end the Iraq mess", he said. "Nothing should get in the way of that."


Ironically he was attacking his employers: The members of the California Democratic Party. The delegates who brought up the resolution. The caucuses and clubs who endorsed the resolution. The tens of thousands of grassroots and netroots activists who are registered Democratic Party members that signed on to the call to censure Dianne Feinstein.

Mullholland's intent was to depress the hard work by thousands of activists who have been toiling successfully for years within the party structure to elect Democrats and make the party more open and accountable. They have been crashing the gates, only now to be told by Mullholland that the gates are closed and to bide their time until entering a nursing home. This is not the kind of Democratic Party I want to build. And it is not the Democratic Party that I know staffers, leaders, delegates and members want to build. It is, however, emblematic of larger problems within the political consultantocracy that the netroots are working to change.

There are many who do not want to see our dirty laundry aired in public. To that I say, don't make the laundry dirty in the first place.

Don't let people like Bob Mulholland speak for the Party and denigrate its members. Don't predetermine the outcome of the democratic process. Don't discourage people from wanting to get involved in party politics. Don't push energetic people out of the party or you'll continue to lose registration as is happening in California. Don't be defensive when new blood floods into the system.

Do find ways to tap that energy and learn new tactics for the 21st century. Do apologize when you screw up. Open up the lines of communication. Don't say STFU you DFH.

Bob Mullholland is not the party. All of us are the party.

[yellowcanine]

32. `Kind of ungrateful of her. Moveon.org was formed to defend Bill Clinton against the "Vast RW

conspiracy." I call lack of class on her if this is true.

[tabasco]

37. Hill and Bill are republicans who hate liberals.

I'm glad most Democrats have figured this out.

[EFerrari]

86. She sounds exactly like Newt Gingrich, doesn't she?

What a piece of work.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

123. Ouch!

That'll leave a mark. (Frankly)

[Dr.Phool]

139. But...but...but....but... Noot said she was a bitch.

[EFerrari]

167. And she called him "Sweetie" I'm sure!

[shadowknows69]

38. I'd rather be an activist than sheep

Fuck you Hillary. You're a disgrace and you should be driven from power in our party.

[ccharles000]

40. I'm still voting for Hillary.

O8)

[roguevalley]

50. and you should, ccharles000. i will vote for Obama. I hope we both

do it with full knowledge of everything. truth sets us free and I don't like what I've seen from her. More's the pity, i guess.

[ourbluenation]

42. It's a vast left wing conspiracy. n/t

[DS1]

43. Who is the elitist again?

[Cha]

44. Tough as shit hilary..tough talkin'...but

really, isn't she just a chickenshithawk?

[Samantha]

45. Here's MY version of that recitation

Hillary Clinton made a calculated, deliberate political decision to leave the left wing of the Democratic party behind in her quest to attract disaffected Republicans and Independents votes. Her numerical calculations added up to the total that there were more disaffected Republicans and Independent votes than there were liberal votes. She went for the numbers, and in that process, left a significant part of the base behind to "eat her dust."

This political calculation has backfired big time. So now she blames those very voters in her base for her losing numbers. She has no one to blame but herself. She miscalculated the strategy that would put her in the Oval House, and she is now paying for that.

[CalGator]

46. Considering the Dem fervor here, I guess that makes HRC officially anti-DU

Can we now endorse Obama like the at-one-time-pro-Hillary MoveOn.org?

[roguevalley]

51. I wonder if this coming out is what prompted Dean to say choose

to the SDs. I can hardly stand it. Choose and get this done.

[johnnydrama]

48. I don't know move.on's exact positions.

But i'm guessing they want us to stay in Iraq forever, don't want to invade Iran, don't want us to torture people, don't want illegal wiretapping of American citizens, don't want Habeus Corpus stripped, don't want extraordinary rendition & don't want people held indefintely without trial.

I guess she's for all those things.

[fed-up]

54. check your first thought-don't think you meant moveon wants us to "stay in Iraq forever" nt

[Upton]

49. Why doesn't she just switch partys?

she talks more like a Repub

[FrenchieCat]

52. Drop it.....

we don't need to make big deal about this. That's what Hillary wants from us.

Here's why: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5571918

[lligrd]

57. Fine With Me

All it did was confirm what we already suspected. She is part of it.

[ProSense]

61. No, they will continue to talk about it in an attempt to demonize the the Party's base.

It's not going to go away. She's just spin the silence as acquiescence, in other words, that the left was out to get her. This reminds me of Lieberman.

[ecstatic]

55. She. CAN'T. be. trusted. Defend this Hillbots

She is talking about YOU!

[featherman]

56. Proud Democratic Party activist checking in

I've begun to pity the genuine Clinton supporters (not the RW trolls who infect the board with RW talking points).
This stuff has really hit a tipping point with real Dems

[AlCzervik]

58. Coming up now on Dan Abrahams, normally i would never watch him but this is his lead.

[Upton]

59. They're talking about it on Abrams now

[shadowknows69]

62. No shit, I didn't think the MSM would even cover it.

Pleasantly surprised.

[Chulanowa]

63. Hillary sounds an awful lot like Huckabee with this shit.

n/t

[TheDonkey]

64. Does she want a little cheese with that WHINE!

whaaaaaaaaaa!

[DB1]

67. She is not an elitist. She is a pompous ass.

That sure sounds like Lieberman or any run of the mill republican talking. So sad.

[Kber]

72. Hillary blames loosing on the people who didn't vote for her.

[NorthCarolina]

74. This should be something the LGBT community should give heavy consideration to as well

If she rejects MoveOn.org, then exactly how "sympathetic" to progressive causes in general is she? Being that LGBT rights is certainly a "progressive cause", is Hillary the candidate we want representing that cause? I can't help but recall how Bill Clinton campaigned heavily for the LGBT vote and then threw them under the bus with DADT and DOMA.

[ecdab]

75. So now she's going after regular old registered Democrats in the

cities and towns of this nation with right wing talking points - I guess that gives the progressive movement one more thing in common with Obama.

[meow mix]

77. those Dam Dem Activitsts!!!11!!

[jackson_dem]

78. The netroots has hated her irrationally for years. Is this a surprise?

[jonestonesusa]

95. And the netroots also volunteered time and dollars to defend her husband

in the time of national crisis, not to mention that the netroots has created forums like the one we're typing on so that Democrats could counter the right wing presence in the media.

Besides, no matter how much the netroots rejects her policies and candidacy, will it help her case to criticize them in this way? Needless to say, this was a poor political move in a desperate campaign.

How in God's green earth can any person with Democratic values defend what Hillary said? Whatever happened to the old-fashioned strategy of trying to win voters with your political positions, particularly the voters in your own party? Say what you want about Republicans, but at least they do not publicly disrespect their own base like Hillary just did and her supporters at the DLC have been doing for years. Even here in Wisconsin, I have heard the current Democratic chair of the state criticize Kucinich voters as "ideological purists." To say the least, it's contradictory and counterproductive for party leaders to criticize Democratic voters for their Democratic primary votes!

The ship of Clinton sinks deeper each day. Who's doing the bailing?

[Bonobo]

80. Ummm... fuck her.

[populistdriven]

87. so.... you really had to think about that for a second?

:think: :think: :think: :think: :think: :think: :think: :think: fuck her



:+

[Bonobo]

89. Just thinking of the best way to put it.

[populistdriven]

90. then i think you captured the sentiment around here directed towards her quite succinctly!

[undeterred]

118. Who...me?

[D23MIURG23]

81. k&r

[Maine-ah]

82. are those crickets or spring time peepers I'm hearing?

:P

[DesEtoiles]

83. crazy lady

[kwenu]

84. That's accurate. They decided not to support you just like most of us.

[quantass]

85. ouch!

[Avalux]

88. As a MoveOn member, she can kiss my ass.

No surprise though that she'd foolishly bash over 3 million Democrats if she thinks it will benefit her politically. Idiot.

[chknltl]

93. Takes a bow...

...(well maybe a little one but still happy to have done my part). Ok Senator Obama, the way is clear, you have the votes, you have our hopes, GO GET 'EM TIGER!

[Stephanie]

97. SHE DID NOT WIN THE MOVEON ENDORSEMENT IN 2006

They put it to a vote in the primary, and she did not reach the threshold to win endorsement against her underfunded, relatively unknown anti-war, progressive opponent. She LOST that skirmish, and she's BITTER about it.

[cascadiance]

151. I think that Edwards had more to complain about in being "framed out" of that vote than she did!

They moveon.org folks had the one on one choice between her and Obama (without a "distracting" Edwards choice) and she still lost.

Yes, perhaps she has reasons to not like moveon.org, but she's already provided Democrats with reasons to not care for her. She needs to at some point admitted that she's failed the core of the Democratic Party and move on or suffer their wrath if she keeps "fighting" them!

[Stephanie]

154. I am talking about the NY Senate primary 2006 - she couldn't win that endrosement

They put it to a vote. She came out ahead against her antiwar challenger Tasini, but not by enough to meet MoveOn's endorsement threshold. It is probably still a thorn in her side.

http://blogs.timesunion.com/capitol/archives/2034

The results of today’s MoveOn poll of the Democratic U.S. Senate primary contest between Hillary Clinton and Jonathan Tasini are:

Clinton: 56 percent

Tasini: 44 percent

MoveOn requires a candidate to receive support from two-thirds of members polled in order to win the endorsement. Since neither candidate came close to that, MoveOn will stay out of the race.

[Radical Activist]

99. Obama had the most sophisticated online operation of any campaign from the start.

It is true that Edwards sucked up to and bought off more bloggers and his campaign spent more time coordinating an online swift boating of Obama calling him a conservative. But Obama's online organizing being well integrated with his field campaign played a big part in his primary victories.

[lebkuchen]

101. Hillary just figuratively cut off her left arm

I hope I'm not witness to her literally cutting off her right when she doesn't win the nomination.

[caligirl]

102. Victim strategy afoot in the Clinton camp again, do not take the bate or she

will do what you saw in NH again. she is dependent on an overreaction by the netroots to marginalize it in the eyes of voters in Pa.

She is trying to reframe the netroots as a menace to the heart of the democratic base, ordinary working people.

It is only going to work if people take the bait Wolfson set up tonight by embracing the tape. Let this slide people. Or Hillary will play the victim card once more.

[juno jones]

133. I'm not going to react in any way.

Except rejoice that my first ever political monetary donation has just been sent to Barack Obama.

My money's on Obama.

Please be gentle, it's my first time....

[Citizen Kang]

103. Supposing Hell freezes over and she's the nominee....

how is she going to win the GE if she tells the activist base of the Democratic Party to go Cheney themselves?

[a la izquierda]

129. rofl....

i voted for kodos...that made my day.

[eridani]

104. "Activists" = "doorbellers and phonebankers"

Clinton doesn't want any of those? No wonder she's losing.

[cascadiance]

152. If she and America thinks they can "buy" them instead, then the Corporatists have already won!

[Barrymores Ghost]

107. Let it GO.....

This is a ploy by Clinton to send a message to indies and Blue Dogs that she's "not being run" by the "radical left fringe."

I say keep this on the DL...spread the word, but don't make a stink. We already know she's toast.

[donheld]

108. The "activist base of the Democratic Party" is

the best of what the party is about.

[JDPriestly]

109. The "left" supported her and Bill for years. We kept their number up, remember?

That was before Bush. Bush woke us up to the fact that you can't compromise with the extremist Republicans -- at least not unless you are in the position of power.

I haven't changed my views on the issues that much. I have changed my views on whether Republicans play fair, whether Republicans believe in Democracy a lot, whether Republicans are honest, whether they have any sense of integrity. The changes in my views are not just based on recent political events -- the lying to get into Iraq, the corruption, the theft. The change in my views about Republicans is also due to some personal experiences with ordinary Republicans -- many of them -- since about 1997 in which the Republicans with whom I interacted on a personal level proved to be unscrupulous and dishonest -- extremely unethical in their personal and professional lives. Basically, I think Republicans are cheats.

I learned. Many of us learned from the horrible things that have happened to our country and to us personally since Bush took office. Hillary has not learned with us. She isn't unemployed due to NAFTA and free trade with China and the way that big business has used it to enhance their profits and ruin the American economy for us little guys. She doesn't lack health care. She hasn't had to face the increased costs of medical expenses or decreased wages. She and Bill have grown very rich in these years during which many of the rest of us have grown poorer.

Hillary does not take responsibility. She blames others for her problems. This is Bush redux.

I am an Edwards supporter. I would rather have Edwards than Obama, but I sure can't support Hillary at this point. She would be a nightmare of a president. She is arrogant and cannot take responsibility. Bad combination. It would be just four more years of the Bush insanity. The YouTube video showing Code Pink confronting Hillary about the Iraq invasion before the war shows you just who Hillary is. How disappointing. She could have been the first woman to be president, but she just is not presidential.

[KoKo]

134. "Hillary has not learned with us........." Great Post.....

Thanks...

[Zachstar]

110. Insulting the activists means this nomination is game set match.

Without the activist base McCain will win without any kind of resistance.

Clinton has lost. Regardless of what she feels now she will have alienated a much needed base. And the supers will respond.

[judasdisney]

111. I Expect Hillary (et al) to Sabotage An Obama Presidency

Something very strange is going on. I see a woman who has become possessed by her demons.

[Skwmom]

112. This is her attack on Obama. Plus she can play the victim of

a vast left-wing conspiracy and appeal to the moderates in PA.

[ima_sinnic]

122. I agree, that is her "strategy," but I think even moderates are sick of the spin and deviousness

Obama comes across as so much more transparent and uncomplicated -- she is all dirty tricks and petty bullshit and contradictions, not to mention the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton dynasty thing, which even moderates have come to dislike. I think even the moderates see through her now. Or could they still be soooo clueless???

[JVS]

113. Nice whining Hill!

[tomp]

114. i never supported, and i still oppose, the war in afghanistan.

the invasion of afghanistan took place at a moment when we didn't know who was responsible for 9/11. it is a fraud. she's coming from the starting point that the war in afghanistan is unassailable. hillary is a supporter of corrupt imperialist u.s. foreign policy. it shouldn't surprise anyone that she voted for the iraq war. everything she says is a lie.

disclosure: not a supporter of obama or moveon

[quiet.american]

116. Her words are the DLC position in a nutshell, and that's why I'm so disappointed in her candidacy.nt

[natrat]

117. the clintons,, the new joe mccarthy? endless attack by smear-clintons are definitly white trash

In the Army-McCarthy hearings of 1954, with Sen. Joe McCarthy near the peak of his guilt-by-association bullying, he famously attacked the patriotism of a young Boston lawyer who worked for Joseph Welch, the Army’s chief legal representative.
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“Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last?” Welch responded. “Have you left no sense of decency?”

Now, as Hillary Clinton’s campaign continues to sink into a mud pile of guilt-by-association smears against Barack Obama, Welch’s famous question could be posed to the Clintons and their supporters: How far are they prepared to go – and have they “left no sense of decency?”

In the April 16 debate in Philadelphia, Sen. Clinton pounced when her husband’s former adviser, George Stephanopoulos, finally asked one of her campaign’s long-plotted attack lines – raising a tenuous association between Obama and an aging Vietnam-era radical William Ayers.

Acting as an ABC News debate moderator, Stephanopoulos -- and Clinton -- also injected a false suggestion that Ayers had either hailed the 9/11 attacks or had used the occasion as a grotesque opportunity to call for more bombings......

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2008/041708a.html

[C_U_L8R]

119. We are all activists!!!

[cascadiance]

155. Soon to become the following if she and other DLC Democrats don't just SIT DOWN!!

[Medusa]

120. It's much easier to blame others than yourself

for losing I guess. Whatever the reasons are of why she is losing, she needs to pack it up and "move on" down the road back to NY State.

[cooolandrew]

121. Heaven forbid we have activism terrible things like democracy might break out. whoa.

[fascisthunter]

126. Smell That Fishy Smell

That Hillary floundering on the beach too long.

[powergirl]

127. She is offended by the Activist Base of the DEMOCRATIC party ?????

I guess she wants the Republican activists to support her. This is so offensive. This quote really hacks me off:

"We have been less successful in caucuses because it brings out the activist base of the Democratic Party"


:wtf:

[PoliticalAmazon]

162. DNC needs to stand up to her and for us. Their silence means they agree...

If they find us and our votes so worthless, perhaps we shouldn't bother them with our votes in November and with our activism between now and then.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5571194&mesg_id=5579019

[Kber]

128. Someone should tell Hillary that being President

is probably a lot harder than organizing an effective and efficient campaign. Higher stakes too.

Who do we choose - the person who can "win" a bogus or slanted debate or the person who, as demonstrated by Actions, can successfully lead a large and complex organization?

Just saying.

[stillcool]

130. Wow. That's amazing...

One of Hillary's Greatest "Hits"...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg

[The Wizard]

131. A lousy campaign

makes excuses and loses. Running as though it's 1996 in 2008 is a lousy campaign strategy. I have nothing against Hillary Clinton; it's her campaign strategy that needs criticism. At this point they have her trying to hold smoke. Alienating the base is a loser.

[nichomachus]

132. She couldn't win the GE without the activists - she just made herself "unelectable"

One thing that distinguishes the Dems from the GOP in campaigning is that the Dems have a better command of the Internet. They use it more efficiently and they're more successful.

In fact, it could just be the "activists" that Hillary is kicking in the nuts who would be able to propel her ahead of John McCain.

She just made herself "unelectable."

[nichomachus]

137. Aren't the Hillary supporters who spend their time here netroots "activists?"

Did she just shit on them?

[eib1]

141. Well, Hillaria,

you live in a democratic republic.
Get over it.

[hopeforchange2008]

142. It's the fault of the vast left-wing conspiracy!

[Major Hogwash]

146. I've been a supporter of Move On for over 5 years.

Hillary doesn't stand a chance of winning anymore.
Why doesn't she just go on the "blue collar tour" with Jeff Foxworthy and start telling redneck jokes.

[grantcart]

148. atleast she didn't pick on people that have the energy and motivation to actually do something

[ToughLuck]

149. I really wonder about this woman, she going to see to it

that Obama loses the White House since she can't have it?..or will she go into survival mode so she gets re-elected as a senator from NY. If she keeps this up, she will not be able to get elected as dog catcher.

[AntiFascist]

150. Hillary hates the netroots for the same reason the Bush people do....

the truth gets spread around far and wide which the MSM tries so desperately to cover up.

[iamthebandfanman]

153. exactly

and something tells me she wont let herself lose.

shed rather destroy the party than do that.


glad the truth is coming about mrs clinton and her dislike of the left.

spoken like a true moderate conservative hillary.
thats what she is too...

sucks Barack is only to the left of her by a lil bit.

liberals dont have a dog in the race, but Mr Obama is our best chance.

[elzenmahn]

163. I fear that you might be right...

...and many have been saying that "if she can't win, neither can he".

What's more ironic, is that SHE'S THE ESTABLISHMENT CANDIDATE. It's not just that HRC is losing, but so is the DLC, the MSM, and their big money backers. They just HATE it that they are getting a reminder about who really should be running things in this country, and it ain't them - hence the debate charade just a couple of days ago on the CIABC network.

Now, it is true that Obama's positions are moderate, and very similar to HRCs. But I would suggest taking a look at his background - as a community organizer, as a constitutional law lecturer/professor/whatever you want to call it (bottom line is, he knows what he's talking about). I think his background lends itself to two things we desperately need right now from the White House:

1. RESPECT for the law, and the CONSTITUTION which the law is based;
2. An "ear to the ground" as to what the American People (the OWNERS of this country) are thinking and feeling.

My hunch is that he will actually LISTEN more to we the people than HRC, who is too distracted by the jingle-jangle. This awareness of the struggles of what Americans are going through now, and his eloquent addressing of them, I think scares the absolute HELL out of the establishment, whether DLC or Republican, because it lends itself to - gasp - POPULIST tendencies. And POPULISM is the absolute, natural, and mortal enemy of the monied establishment, hence the recent news that the national Chamber of Commerce was planning on running and ad campaign linking populism with "socialism" and all other kinds of "evil" buzzwords.

I'll just come out and say it. I'm with Obama.

So sue me.

[mudesi]

156. Why is anyone surprised?

I've been saying she's a scumbag for months now. This is typical of her.

[newmajority]

157. Hillary, the Vast Left Wing Conspiracy has spoken

And we say to you, "Shut the fuck up and go away already". :grr:

[Voltaire99]

159. Blame the narcissistic, warmongering Boomer base, then, for Clinton

One message is NEVER going out of style:

FUCK YOU, HILLARY.

And your rotten fans, too.

[lilyannerose]

160. I Don't Matter To HRC

Oh wah!

Won't surprise me, if by the end of the week, several more Obama super delegates make their vote known. The Democratic Party NEEDS the money raising and organizational skills of Moveon and other net roots sites. Be nice if this were all over by the end of the week. I wonder how many phones have been ringing since this story hit the net?

[whatchamacallit]

161. Yo Pro your post doesn't blow

I mean great post.:thumbsup:

[ProSense]

179. Thanks.

Thanks, all, for the comments and recs too.

[DutchLiberal]

164. 'In other words (Hillary's), "screw 'em".' Oh no she didn't!

:o

NOW can I say I can't tell the difference anymore between her and a Republican?

[Stump]

166. I hope this shit ends next week...

it's been over for so long...there is no such thing as saving face at this point.

[liberaldem4ever]

168. Great post-happy to K&R

Thanks ProSense. :hi:

[Kurovski]

169. The message here is that no one should be active.

Not really, but when is this crap gonna end?

[Autumn Colors]

170. The activist base?

Oh... you mean the people who care enough to "act"???

Yeah, you certainly wouldn't want THEM on your side, now would you?

[greiner3]

171. Hillary!

Go home...

[windoe]

172. Very unwise to dis potential supporters-

isn't the whole idea to attract voters? I am looking for a leader that is inclusive rather than exclusive. Aren't we done with the
'them and us' 'with me or against me' mentality? It does not work anymore!

[ingac70]

173. HILLARY BLAMES DEMOCRATS FOR LOSING.....

there, I fixed it.

[Divine Discontent]

174. This activist says, Hillary you are a shrill, sour, unlikable, pathetic woman - oh, and you LOST

get the hell out....

[dailykoff]

176. Yeah, let's keep them bombs falling.

Nothing better for the economy than a war. Doncha want the NINETIES back or what?!?!

[L0oniX]

177. Glad to know that we are too blame. Clinton's? Screw em

[HockeyMom]

178. Hillary, I voted for you TWICE

Nevermore. I will stay home this November if you manage to steal this primary.

You are a disgrace.

[ProSense]

180. Senator Schumer defends Hillary: “sometimes you get a little frustrated”

Fox News Sunday: Clinton-supporting Sen. Schumer defended his candidate on her comments against activist groups, saying “sometimes you get a little frustrated,” but it’s not her campaign’s view. Blamed media for magnifying small controversies when asked about the Clintons going after Obama since debate. Thinks Clinton will “win by more than people think” in Pennsylvania, but wouldn’t give a number.

link

[newmajority]

182. Fuck Schumer too!

Mukrazy loving, Senate race fixing with shitty DLC candidates, worthless bastard.

How the Hell do New Yorkers put up with both of them?

[Blarch]

181. Fuck her.

She committed political suicide.