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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 10:09 AM
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Kerry's ADA record the highest, even higher than Kucinich...
Or Mosely-Braun.

I mentioned this in another thread, but in case you missed it...

NINETY-TWO PERCENT!!!!

Just what would the Kerry doubters who think he's unacceptable want as an acceptable record? Yeah, there was that pesky PATRIOT vote, and IWR. But, should those cancel out a lifetime? Are no explanations of those votes acceptable?

http://www.adaction.org/Campaign2004/2004PR_1/2004pr_1.HTM

Only congresscritters were rates, so they don't do Dean or Clark, but a 92% lifetime record beats the others.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 10:21 AM
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1. he's also taken on the Bush gang of thieves before
For those of you who don't know about that, check out the BCCI scandal. That he was stonewalled and the whole thing eventually just went away (too many spiderewbs connecting the CIA), he had the courage to spearhead the investigation.

Perhaps the second time will be the charm, and we can get some of these scumbags in prison.
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 10:21 AM
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2. Lieberman had a higher ranking than Gephardt.
Edited on Sun Jun-27-04 10:41 AM by JohnLocke
Interesting.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 10:55 AM
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9. Lieberman gets a bad rap here.
:shrug: I am no fan of his war position, but I'd be fine if he and Gore were in the OO today.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 10:24 AM
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3. Kucinich supports anti flag burning laws and use to be anti choice
on some of these type of issues he can be pretty conservative. he is very religious. but he isn't a hypocrite like many right wingers because kucinich is also against the death penalty and a vegan himself so you can see he really is pro life. but kucinich has changed his position on abortion because of his daughter and i think some other female relatives. so good for him there.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 10:37 AM
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4. You have to look at whom they represent too. Kucinich had a lot of...
..Catholic constituents, and Kerry is from liberal Mass. Their policies are naturally going to reflect their constituencies.

Also, to me, the REAL liberal issues are the ones that deal with the transfer of wealth. Sometimes they don't get enough weight in these studies.

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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 10:42 AM
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5. Social liberalism is more valued/recognized than economic liberalism.
Or so it would seem.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 10:47 AM
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6. Which I think is too bad, 'cause you're not going to get real social...
...liberalism, until the powerless have more economic power.

And I find a lot of social liberalism is like throwing a bone to liberals so you don't have to actually give them economic power. It's a diversionary tactic.
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 10:54 AM
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8. Chicken-and-egg, huh?
:D You're right.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 11:57 AM
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11. unfortunely
yes, Locke thats the case. Ive taken tests, I am more of an economic liberal than I am social liberal. In fact my choices I liked most were based on their economic liberalism, its why I liked Kucinich, Edwards, and Gephardt. Kerry is all around liberal, so I like him too.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 10:52 AM
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7. Yes indeed. It's time to stop the Kerry's a DLC puppet meme.
"Americans for Democratic Action (ADA) is the nation's oldest independent liberal political organization, dedicated to individual liberty and building economic and social justice at home and abroad. Since 1947, we have led public opinion and coalitions by taking early, principled stands on a broad range of domestic, foreign, economic, military, social and environmental issues."



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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 10:57 AM
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10. not only that
it's not just a voting record. but kerry has actually come to the places where people live and need help. bill clinton mentioned this in that speech where he talked about kerry. it wasn't just some election year thing either. it goes back many years. a kid who was helped from a program kerry set up in his area attended a kerry town hall meeting and broke down and started crying telling others about it. kerry gave him a hug .
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 12:04 PM
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13. he may be a DLC member but he has been the most liberal senator 5 times
I personally put him in between a DLC member and someone with my views. Which is fine.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 12:00 PM
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12. I am not surprised at all by this
I feel personally of all the quote and I hate to use this term electable candiates, Kerry is the best we could have gotten, now some may disagree with me, thats ok, but I truly feel that Kerry could be one of the most liberal presidents ever and set a new standard for this century. Those two votes should NOT cancel out a lifetime. Pretty much everyone vote for PA, I know its not an excuse but its not a good litmus test, IWR I can see why, but Senator Kennedy said Kerry and his vote meant the same. Kerry also did press for international support for the war, which IMO isnt so bad, its not like he joined the Bush admin in ridiculing the UN.
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bushwakker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 01:17 PM
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14. Nah, he's a DLC sell-out, war-monger
I couldn't resist
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