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mudesi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 03:58 PM Original message |
When Obama loses tomorrow in Pennsylvania.... |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
1. Is Penssylvania Like Pen Island? |
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TheCowsCameHome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
2. Penssylvania, yes, but Pennsylvania may be a different story |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
3. Ummm...I think it's 28 points, not 20... |
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mudesi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 04:29 PM Response to Reply #3 |
29. I wanted to be generous (nm) |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
4. Sorry- and I say this as a strong Obama supporter, but if she beats |
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IndependentDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 04:05 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. i agree with you. n/t |
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Lone_Star_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 04:08 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Which is exactly what the Clinton camp is hoping for at this moment |
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AlinPA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 08:03 PM Response to Reply #9 |
63. She's out to destroy him or to diminish him for the GE. |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 04:21 PM Response to Reply #4 |
17. How close is close in NC? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 04:30 PM Response to Reply #17 |
31. within 7 or 8 pts. |
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calmblueocean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 04:48 PM Response to Reply #4 |
39. If the SDs take the nom away from the one with the most pledged delegates, enjoy 4 years of McCain. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 04:56 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. I disagree. If obama clearly collapses |
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calmblueocean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 05:08 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. It depends on how you define "collapse". |
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Yukari Yakumo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 05:28 PM Response to Reply #4 |
52. So his streak of 11 states a couple of months ago doesn't matter? {nt} |
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Indigo Walrus (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 06:58 PM Response to Reply #4 |
59. yeah. |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 07:45 PM Response to Reply #4 |
61. what? That her negatives that she brings from twenty years of |
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kmsarvis (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 09:29 PM Response to Reply #4 |
71. The popular vote argument is bogus!!!! |
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SwampG8r (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 09:42 PM Response to Reply #4 |
75. ouchie i have to disagree cali |
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kmsarvis (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 09:49 PM Response to Reply #75 |
78. YOU ARE CORRECT !!!!!! |
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tritsofme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 04:04 PM Response to Original message |
5. Hillary has been mathematically precluded from winning the pledged delegate count for weeks. |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 04:11 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. Hillary is hated by the majority of the Democratic Party ... how is she the "choice" of the people? |
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tritsofme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 04:15 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. If she wins the popular vote, |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 04:20 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. Not in the least |
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tritsofme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 04:23 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. I certainly haven't seen any evidence suggesting such a phenomenon. |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 04:30 PM Response to Reply #21 |
30. Come to California -- she is despised here. |
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tritsofme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 04:35 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. I guess I'll have to take your word for it then. |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 04:39 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Ah, the two talking points today -- "people's choice" and "nominal" |
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tritsofme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 04:43 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Well perhaps people are copying me? |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 05:06 PM Response to Reply #35 |
47. Yes in a truly wily fashion Hillary supporters conned Obama supporters to post math threads. |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 05:11 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. You guys are all over everywhere ... you and your pictures of Her Nauseating Eminence |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 04:45 PM Response to Reply #30 |
37. That's my experience, too. |
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knight_of_the_star (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 06:23 PM Response to Reply #30 |
56. Depends on which part of the state you're in |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 06:50 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. I live in LA County -- I talk to a LOT of Democrats who network with even more |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 08:49 PM Response to Reply #58 |
66. Hillary blew Obama out in LA County. |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 09:04 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. Apparently you didn't read back in the thread -- she would lose resoundingly now |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 09:28 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. I heard the "no one I know will vote for Clinton" crap before the voting started., |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 09:36 PM Response to Reply #70 |
74. Check the numbers who would vote for her -- and check her favorability now |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 09:48 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. You keep making the assumptions, you find the polls. |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 10:04 PM Response to Reply #77 |
81. Never mind PPI - they took down the HRC poster at one of the big LA County Dem hqs |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 04:26 PM Response to Reply #12 |
24. Is that with Michigan and Florida? |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 04:31 PM Response to Reply #24 |
32. I think you have a hard time including MI pop vote totals. |
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tritsofme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 04:36 PM Response to Reply #24 |
34. I would definitely include FL. MI is more complicated. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 04:45 PM Response to Reply #12 |
38. For the love of god, it's a DELEGATE ELECTION |
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tritsofme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 04:59 PM Response to Reply #38 |
45. Its a contest to get to 2024. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 05:12 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. There is NO popular vote |
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tritsofme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 05:26 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Caucus voters can be accounted for in almost all cases. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 06:23 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. The compelling case is winning the delegates |
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tritsofme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 06:35 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. If Obama walks into Denver leading in votes and pledged delegates I will agree he deserves the nod |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 07:07 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. So you basically want to win at all costs |
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BobTheSubgenius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 11:03 PM Response to Reply #38 |
82. spot on |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 04:05 PM Response to Original message |
6. Actually, that's not a tautology. |
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Window (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 04:07 PM Response to Original message |
8. What lynyrd_sknyrd said. |
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Bensthename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 04:14 PM Response to Original message |
11. Question: Are they able to poll these 300 K + new dem voters? |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 04:18 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Did they poll every Bowling Alley, Shooting Range, and Tavern? |
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Bensthename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 04:21 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Those were calls to registered dems already.. I'm asking about the new ones. |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 04:24 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. What *new* ones? |
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Bensthename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 04:28 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. ah hell, I was trying to squeeze in a few more Obama points. |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 04:29 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. At least you were honest about it |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 04:17 PM Response to Original message |
13. 24 points. |
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Mezzo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 04:20 PM Response to Original message |
15. But she ALREADY HAS the lead in DEMOCRATS voting for her. |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 04:22 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. No. |
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PM7nj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 04:26 PM Response to Reply #15 |
23. Do you have any proof to back this up? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 04:49 PM Response to Reply #15 |
40. So you approve of winning by CHEATING |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 05:03 PM Response to Reply #15 |
46. He has the lead in DEMOCRATIC VOTERS |
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Mezzo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 08:43 PM Response to Reply #46 |
65. Your "Many states allow crossing over" belies your point. MORE democrats have voted Hillary than BO |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 09:07 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. Obama received MORE votes. |
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demwing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 09:44 PM Response to Reply #15 |
76. You're Absolutely Wrong - Popular Vote Counts, from RCP |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 04:23 PM Response to Original message |
20. She's been doing the work for McCain for 6 weeks already. Richard Melon Scaife endorsed her. |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 04:28 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. His paper endorsed her. Murdoch's endorsed Obama. |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 07:07 AM Response to Reply #27 |
83. Richard Mellon Scaife owns that paper and the American Heritage magazine. |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 04:27 PM Response to Original message |
25. Being pledged delegate leader does not make one the nominee. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 04:55 PM Response to Reply #25 |
41. Then why the hell are we voting? |
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calmblueocean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 04:56 PM Response to Reply #25 |
42. If the SDs give the nom to the one who has less pledged delegates, the party will tear itself apart. |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 04:58 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. I don't see the Supes overturning pledged delegates unless.... |
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Yukari Yakumo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 05:38 PM Response to Reply #42 |
53. Also... |
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PseudoIntellect (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 09:33 PM Response to Reply #25 |
73. Yeah, because superdelegates are DEFINITELY going to save Hillary. |
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tellmewhen (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 05:43 PM Response to Original message |
54. You sound very confident |
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Leftist Agitator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 07:57 PM Response to Original message |
62. "...I fully expect Dennis Kucinich to win the nomination. He's the only liberal..." |
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Blue_State_Elitist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 08:05 PM Response to Original message |
64. Now that I've been called arrogant |
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NorthCarolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 09:13 PM Response to Original message |
69. Like you said |
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gsaguyCLW54 (178 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 09:31 PM Response to Original message |
72. if the primaries were winner take all... |
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GoldieAZ49 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 09:52 PM Response to Original message |
79. It will go to the Super Delegates |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 09:53 PM Response to Original message |
80. Here here! I second that emotion. She's dragging the whole party down w/her. nt |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 07:16 AM Response to Original message |
84. It's a shame she didn't make her bomb, bomb, bomb Iran statement |
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