EDIT: voters who said race was an issue - corrected numbers

[Political Heretic]

EDIT - first of all, I sincerely apologize for starting this thread and then not being around. I thought I had time as I usually do in the morning, but work had other plans for me. Second I'm seeing several people explaining exit poll information in a different way. So I wanted to edit my subject title so IF the information isn't correct there's not an inflammatory inaccurate post floating around GD: P in my name.

I may not be able to get back to this until much later... but this is my attempt to have real discussion and never to troll.

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That, according to CNN exit polls.

I'd like to know how many Obama voters said gender was an issue - I'm predicting about zero.

[SoonerPride]

1. Because no one likes to point out that many Democrats are racist slime

Since at the end of the day, we'll still need to figure out a way to get them to vote in their own goddamned economic interests no matter the skin color of the candidate instead of letting their own personal prejudices skew the vote against what is best for them.

Like religion, guns and gay marriage, racism will cause some people to vote for McCain while they lose more money and have no healthcare.

It is sad, but it is true.

[AspenRose]

14. Culling out

The remainder of the racists need to finish what LBJ started and go on over to the GOP. Homophobes and misogynists, too.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

35. Thank you. nt

[IndianaJones]

45. homophobes leaving would eliminate a LARGE part of Obama's support. nt.

[AspenRose]

49. Truthfully, I wouldn't want them in the party, either.

You're either for civil rights or you're against them.

[IndianaJones]

52. you're talking 60-70%. nt.

[crankychatter]

53. I agree with the second exodus hope BUT

I think mostly that people believe OTHER Americans won't vote for a Black person and they want to win in November.

imho, cut that 60% number in less than half.

[my3boyz]

39. Many of them are DU Clinton supporters! nt

[ellacott]

2. This is something that many aren't honest about

It's a bigger factor than many will admit, even on this board.

[gatorboy]

10. It's a HUGE factor. I didn't realize how much until recently and it's depressing.

I mean, I'm from the south. I've lived with bigoted thinking all my life, and I'm use to hearing it from certain groups here. But Jesus! People I never thought I'd hear this stuff from are pretty driven in switching sides if Obama is our candidate.

[ellacott]

27. It is truly depressing

I thought we had come farther, as a country. It's sad to see that we have not.

This board is filled with many examples. Sometimes I read some comments and just shake my head.

[BlueCaliDem]

46. The good thing about this Democratic Primary is, that racism is equally a Dem's infliction as well

as a Repuke's.

The African-American community is going to realize this, should Hillary successfully hammer spineless SDs into casting their vote for her even if it means usurping the will of the populace.

Not very democratic huh? In truth, it will show the world and Dems like me that even the party is nothing more than a big, fat DINO party and then I'm OUT.

[BlooInBloo]

3. Because it's easier to lie about when you don't admit it.

[blm]

4. Because HRC supporters can't handle the truth about WHY Bill made race an issue, again.

The same Bill who advised Dems to embrace antigay ballot measures in 2004. He believes in USING people's prejudices for votes even when he has no personal prejudices against blacks and gays himself.

Some of us FAIL to see the difference between the bigots and those who knowingly USE bigotry for political gain.

[ecstatic]

29. Exactly! I find the Clintons behavior to be... unforgivable

The last minute race baiting and accusing Obama of playing the race card. Then when his ass got called out, he denied everything! He is a despicable, shady liar!

[Fridays Child]

59. Has keeping the Jeremiah Wright issue alive provided cover for racists to reject Obama?

And does the Clinton campaign embrace such a strategy?

[City Lights]

74. Same here.

And I'm left speechless about his comments one day, circulated all over the Internets, and his lame denial the next. Senior moment? Clueless about technology? Or just a habitual liar?

[Beregond2]

5. Are these numbers derived from

exit polls? If so, I find that astounding. Who would stand there and admit to being a racist to a questioner? If that is where these numbers come from, then the real numbers are much higher, because most people who feel that way would not admit it to a questioner.

[Political Heretic]

33. According to CNN, it was exit polls, yes.

[Terran]

38. How many are just repugs who re-registered...

at Rush's behest, I wonder? I sorta find it hard to believe *that* many Dems are such out-and-out racists.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

47. Ever been in rural PA? North or Central PA?

Or middle- to north- MI?

It's not hard to find someone willing to discuss race at length. Even if you don't want to hear about it. :)

And you're right, the real number should be higher. Some won't admit it. Some won't even recognize it as part of their decision process.

[redqueen]

6. SEXISM!

BAWK!

[Liberal Dose]

7. Because those are the the Dems who usually vote 'pub in the GE nt

[Name removed]

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[hell-bent]

23. I think the fumes from the litter box

have affected your good judgment. pretty obvious :shrug:

[Redbear]

9. which Exit poll are you talking about?

The one on CNN's site said 80% of voters said race was not important.

[MonkeyFunk]

65. Yeah, I'm looking at the numbers,too

and don't see what the OP is talking about.

[calmblueocean]

11. Any links to the numbers? I'd like to see that.

It makes a big difference.

[hell-bent]

12. Is race an issue when 91% of Black

voters in Pennsylvania went for Obama? I don't understand the double standard here. Could 91% of those voters really believe that their economic interests were better off voting for Obama. Or, did race matter more?

[JVS]

15. yes ther are different standards for a disadvantaged minority and a priviliged majority

DEAL WITH IT!

[Mudoria]

55. Moronic

[TahitiNut]

17. So, do you believe that the 2% Bush Approval rating in the black community ...

... is attributable to racial bias, too? :eyes: Poor George. :nopity:

[AspenRose]

19. HRC had the black vote until SC

I am so tired of repeating the truth.

More blacks were lined up for Hillary at the beginning of this thing.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1581666,00.html

Hillary lost it with the race baiting in SC. She has no one to blame for black voters going to Obama but herself.

[redqueen]

58. Facts like that seem to bounce off of her supporters...

and many in the M$M who at least claim not to be supporting her.

[my2sense]

78. She lost me in SC and yes I am black n/t

[SoCalDem]

88. Me too.. and I am a 59 yr old white woman..

:hi:

[OzarkDem]

90. Got a link?

I've yet to have an Obama supporter show me exactly how Clinton engaged in the so-called "race baiting" in SC.

So far it seems to just be another myth spread by Obama's campaign.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

34. Well, yeah.

"Could 91% of those voters really believe that their economic interests were better off voting for Obama(?)"

Yup. And they're probably concerned with the war and health care and other issues too.

[beachmom]

41. African Americans have always voted for the white guy, and earlier on

supported Hillary Clinton. Democratic AA voters are not prejudiced against white Democratic politicians. They always turn out, and did so for John Kerry in PA in '04, pushing him over the top in that state.

[EffieBlack]

42. Well, considering that never before have black voters shown a propensity for voting for black

presidential candidates over white candidates in the past, your presumption that suddenly this year black voters have become racist has no basis in fact. You seem to be saying that: the voters are black, Obama is black, those voters are voting for Obama, therefore, they are voting for Obama because Obama is black. A very faulty argument. Using your premise, it could be said: in 2004, 99% of white voters voted for white presidential candidates, therefore, they were voting for those candidates because they were white.

So, yes, considering that, in the past, black voters have voted their interests when choosing between black and white candidates and have never demonstrated a pattern of voting in large numbers for black presidential candidates because of race, I would say that it's reasonable to assume that 91% of black voters this time around believe that their interests would be better served by voting for Obama.

[NaturalHigh]

48. It's wrong to point out facts like that, don't you know.

You are a brave soul. I was going to post the same thing, but I decided it wouldn't be worth the "that's different!" crap I would see in response.

[TahitiNut]

13. Perhaps because it'd indicate that 2 of the 3 remaining are liars?

The "white fright" Hillbot constituency is nauseating to me.

[stillcool]

16. I for one do not lump...

people together in neat little packages. I leave that to the "media". I read about black people all the time, but you're right...I don't read about why white women vote for Obama.

[Aloha Spirit]

18. Edit--This post WAS false and misleading. Thanks!

[Political Heretic]

36. Source: CNN. That does not mean it isn't false, but they reported it, and I don't know.

But it seems like it should be discussed.

[Aloha Spirit]

44. If you're talking about Pennsylvania, the number is 20%. See exit poll page 5...

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#PADEM

and then please fix the title.
Thanks for responding!

Let me edit for clarity:
48% of ALL voters were white and voted for Clinton.
20.2% of those said that race was important.
Would you like to see the calculations?

[Name removed]

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[Political Heretic]

37. Right, my dad can right out and said that. PA is a racist state, but I had never thought of it

like that.

[Independent-Voter]

21. Again, the backwash of America votes for Hillary. Is anyone really surprised?

[Emillereid]

22. Yesterday, I listened to a reporter talking about why 'rural voters' didn't vote Obama -

they used every euphemism for 'race' you could think of - like he's seems 'foreign,' he lived in Indonesia, he is not like us, etc. - what they were really saying is - HE'S BLACK!

I believe the reason the gender issue doesn't affect Clinton is not that these people are not sexist - they are - yes, even the women - but they know that they are really voting for BILL.

[AspenRose]

40. "Unpatriotic"

You forgot "unpatriotic." As in, "God damn America." As in "angry black man."

[EffieBlack]

43. Don't you love it

When white voters don't vote for Obama, it's Obama's fault. When black voters don't vote for Hillary, it's the black voters' fault.

[my2sense]

81. Excellent point! n/t

[IronLionZion]

66. That's only if you ignore all those rural voters who voted for Obama

Scroll down to votes by county and hover your mouse over each one.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#PA

[PA Democrat]

76. "I think he just wants to be president because he's black,"

"I don't care too much for Obama," Maria Norgren, the daughter and granddaughter of steelworkers, said in the parking lot of the Giant Eagle shopping center here, near the Obama rally.

"I don't even think he's American," added her husband, Edward, who lost his job when the steel mills closed and now mans the counter at the Puff Discount Tobacco and Lottery shop next to the Giant Eagle.

"His father's from Nigeria, right?" asked Maria, wearing a Pittsburgh Steelers T-shirt.

"I think he just wants to be president because he's black," said Tim Hetrick, smoking a cigarette as he waited for a bus among the crumbling structures of downtown McKeesport. A Democrat, he's thinking about voting for McCain in November.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/21/AR2008042102794.html?sid=ST2008042103408

It's not just rural PA. McKeesport is a city close to Pittsburgh in western PA.

[barb162]

84. Yeah, well, those with Masters degrees and above went more for Clinton

and those with Bachelors degrees went more for Obama. I guess the more educated are more racist? Or should we say less sexist? These things can be interpreted many, many ways and I don't put much stock in them. Maybe it's people just going with whom they feel more comfortable and it has nothing or very little to do with racism, sexism, ageism, etc. And maybe it's people even listening to what the candidates are saying and making decisions based on that.

[EffieBlack]

85. Because only white people are allowed to vote for people because "he's one of us"

Just ask Chris Matthews, who has said countless time that this is what blue collar whites want to know about a candidate.

[SoCalDem]

91. rural= racist redneck... urban= black

values-voter=bigoted narrowminded scold
elite= educated well-off financially
heartland= see rural
rev wright= scary black panther man
flag pin= might be a secret muslim planning to blow up the WH


The media "chooses" its adjectives carefully because they pretend to serve us all..but they do not..

they serve THEIR masters who offer us stuff like:

Jackass
Punk'd
Dancing with the stars
American Idol
Jerry Springer
Nascar
etc
etc

They DON'T WANT US THINKING.. They just want us buying the shit that their sponsors pay them to show us..

[backscatter712]

24. Race is an issue - that's why I'm supporting Obama.

He's the only one that talks to Americans like adults about the issue of race. He's the only one that Gets It.

[Occam Bandage]

25. Because pointing out that 70% of Clinton's supporters are racists is forbidden. Only black

people are racist in America now.

[marshall]

26. And for the 90% of black who voted AGAINST Hillary

race was undoubtedly an issue for them as well--they don't like being thrown under the bus.

[barb162]

70. If 90% of blacks don't vote for Hillary, is that racist?

If most white women don't vote for Obama, is that sexist and/ or racist?

[invictus]

28. We're getting screwed by the media. This race is over and Obama is the winner, but ...

the media is helping Hillary to drag this whole process out until the convention although Hillary has no chance of winning.

[Zynx]

30. This is total fucking garbage. That isn't what the exit poll says at all.

80% period said race wasn't an issue.

[Az_lefty]

31. It's a big deal and a real issue for the Dem. Party...

I thought the vast majority had gotten past this but it's clear they haven't. I cannot understand how anyone can be a Democrat and make race the number one deciding issue. It's sickening.

[hell-bent]

51. Do you really honestly believe that those 91% Black

voters didn't make race their number one issue? I don't blame them; as here is a candidate with a Black father and White mother who has a chance to run for the presidency of the U.S. The point is they voted for Obama because he is half Black at a rate of 91% in Pennsylvania and in Mississippi. Are they "racist slime" as one Obama poster described such voters?

[Political Heretic]

32. I apologize - no intention to hit and run, I posted this then work got slammed.

I'm sorry, I'll try to get back to this as soon as I can.

[Aloha Spirit]

50. That's fine. Let me show you the real numbers...

75% is the percent of white voters, among all whites who felt that race was important, who voted for Clinton. BUT, out of all white Clinton voters, only 20% said that race was important. Also, Only 19% of ALL voters said that race was important.

[Fridays Child]

54. Those are still significant numbers.

[Redbear]

57. So two out of ten, not seven out of ten?

That is a lot different.

[Aloha Spirit]

60. Yep.... if anybody has a question about how to read the Exit Poll, feel free to ask. They're pretty

confusing, but the main thing to consider for each percentage is what the total (100% value) is.

[Romulox]

68. Not 2 out of 10--6% of the "race is important" voters went for Obama

Moreover, of the 19% of Democratic voters who said race was important, only 13% of these were white. Of these, 1/4 went for Obama.

Therefore, these voters amounted to only 9% of the Pa Democratic primary voters. Less than 1 in 10.

[Aloha Spirit]

72. Agreed, but the question was, what % of White Clinton voters said race was important...

<(0.13)*(0.75)>/<(0.13)*(0.75)+(0.66)*(0.58)>= 20.3%

[Romulox]

93. Thanks for the clarity on this thread! Not a "math person" (but I try!) nt

[Political Heretic]

63. Thank you - I've been unable to find a written source (as opposed to TV) for anything... do you have

one? I'd like to send it to my dad.

[musiclawyer]

56. I've assumed for some time now that Obama knows

about the racism factor. I think he chose to be "black" in the primaries. But watch in the general. He will trot out all his white relatives, and frankly he needs to. America is still fucked up race-wise. He knows better than anyone.

[Aloha Spirit]

64. If I were president, I'd sit the country down and explain to it how the most recent common ancestor

of all humans was alive approximately 100 generations ago.
But first we would have to teach the country some math skills.

[windbreeze]

95. I certainly hope he does something about it sooner than that,,,,n/t

[Romulox]

61. You are not reading the data correctly

75% of those who said race was a factor voted for Clinton according the CNN poll. However, overall, only 13% of white Democrat voters said race of the candidate was important to them.

Since Hillary won by a 10 point margin, that means she won a large percentage of the remaining 87% of the white Democrats who said that the race of the candidate WAS NOT important to them.

You are not reading the data correctly.

Source: CNN Pa exit polls, pg. 5.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#PADEM

[barb162]

62. do you have a link?

[Aloha Spirit]

67. The OP is talking about page 5 of the CNN exit poll, but the OP doesn't understand stats.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#PADEM

[barb162]

82. I agree with you.

After looking at the data.

[IronLionZion]

69. Link to CNN exit polls

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#PADEM

and results:
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#PA

[Lerkfish]

71. never mind

my mistake

[kwenu]

73. I think Dem. party racism is worse than Repub. racism. Repubs don't pretend.

Apparently, there are a lot of Dem/KKK party fakers. And yes, it hurts to say this.

:cry:

[jmg257]

75. Because it says: "75% of whites WHO SAID race of candidate was important" voted for Clinton...

And THAT is "only" 13% of all those whites exit-polled.

"Was Race of Candidate Important to You?
-----------------------Clinton Obama
Whites Who Say Yes (13%) 75% 25% "
Whites Who Say No (66%) 58% 42%
Blacks Who Say Yes (4%) N/A N/A
Blacks Who Say No (9%) 9% 91% "


http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#PADEM


SO - supposedly it is not 70% of white Clinton voters that are racist, although some are. As are some (less) whites & blacks who voted for Obama.

[crankychatter]

77. I don't trust White people

just kidding

I don't trust Clinton

[Aloha Spirit]

80. ha. Sounds like you want to show one of the candidates the Exit Pole.

[wowimthere]

79. These are the same people who don't believe they're being spun by the media and that

racism doesn't exist. Older, under educated democrats who are set clearly against any race other than white are her base. I know, when you think democrat you usually think civility, intelligent, rational in all cases but I'm afraid Dems come in all stripes.

Obama will still be the nominee because more people think like Obama than Clinton. Chris Matthews calls her supporters regular people. Whatever the hell that means.

[truth please]

83. If 2 out of 10 admitted they voted by race then

trust me it is more than that. Most people won't admit it because even though they are racist they are ashamed for other people to know it. The South worked very hard at trying to clean up their image over the years while the rest of the country hunkered down in their hate because no one ever calls them out on it. I live in California where most people think there is racial harmony. NOT! There are still places here where black people don't want to be caught in at night where people fly confederate flags and have them on their trucks. The more rural the town the more hate for people not like them.

[muriel_volestrangler]

86. To answer your question on gender

from page 2 of the CNN exit poll data:

20% of all voters said gender was important
Of those, 29% voted for Obama
So a total of 0.2 * 0.29 = 0.058 = 5.8% said gender was important, and voted for Obama
79% of all said gender wasn't important
51% of those voted for Obama
So the total Obama voters were 0.058 + 0.79 * 0.51 = 0.4609
So the proportion of Obama voters thinking gender was important = 0.058/0.46.09 = 12.6%

[Aloha Spirit]

87. Flawless mathematics=beauty. Thank you

[LittleFarter]

89. Hmmm

[AtomicKitten]

92. CNN said it was 16% in Pennsylvania FWIW & Clinton got 75% of that racist vote.

[windbreeze]

94. Read this, if you want to know why Obama lost in Pa...(and other random thoughts)

The part in quotes is an excerpt from an email received by me, this morning, from a friend who lives in Pa.....I am from Pa, and I knew I understood how it was going to be...a black man vs a white woman...a lot of those little towns in Pa., have NO black residents, they have never even interacted with anyone of color, but they also have a problem with women who are powerful...that is why I figured it was going to pretty much be a toss up in the state...my friend was telling me all along that Hillary would take Pa, I told her not to be so sure..well, we see how that went..read what she wrote me....

"I told you Hillary would win here. Anyone I ever talked to said they were voting for Hillary and many said it was because they "don't want that nigger to win" I know of some white females who registered to vote just to vote for Hillary. I don't know if it was because she is a woman or because of Obama being black. I think it was half and half. I have a friend I write to that is a friend of my son and him and I talk politics and he said every white guy at work said they are voting for Hillary because they weren't "voting for a damn nigger" (he himself was an Obama supporter but he said he didn't care if Hillary won because he really liked them both and hates McCain)"

IMO....this is a sad, sad implication of how bad racism still is in this country today..I wish there were a polite way to discuss this situation, or some way to solve it.....it is blatant RACISM..the majority voted for Hillary because she was the least of two evils in their opinion, not because they preferred her because of her stand on the issues..but because she was white...so there you go..can Obama overcome this...I don't know, but it really worries me...

I do believe I finally have this whole thing figured out...and Pa...is the state that opened my eyes...This whole primary has had a surreal feel to it, for me...like something was going on behind the scenes that we weren't privy too...but now I think I understand....Obama is going down, because he's black, the fact that's he's also half white, doesn't even enter into the equasion, for the racists out there, his skin is dark, that's all that matters...flame all you want too, it's the truth...and McCain never mattered, he's an afterthought, so to speak...he was set up by tptb to fail on purpose, so the Rep's could be rid of him once and for all....so who does that leave, and who's gonna be your next president....why Hillary of course...that woman champion who came from so far behind Obama and took the nomination(all she needs is the theme song from Rocky to be played when she accepts the nomination)....it was set up all along to happen exactly like this...you just wait and see...I want to be wrong...I will gladly come back and eat my words if I am...

I wondered why the Dems would pit a black man, against a white woman, for the nomination(I know they didn't tell Edwards to get out, did they???I wonder if he is on her short list for VP?)... was it more important to make history or prove a point...why do so many feel as though they have no candidate in this race...well, because there is NO white man running, that's why....it seems it was far more important to make history, than it was to think about what was ultimately best for our country...I don't want Hillary as my president...and no...it has nothing to do with the fact that she's a woman...I would love to have a woman president, some other Democratic woman would have been fine...I simply DON'T WANT another Clinton in the WH, and that includes them both..I could end up hating the C's worse than I hate the B's before this is over...and don't lay it at my feet...lay it at the feet of those in the party responsible for this farce of a primary season they have given us...

The last 20 years have been Bush/Clinton/Bush....apparently we want more of the same...can't we look around and see what that combination has done to this country????what the hell is wrong with us...??? do we really think Hillary represents change of ANY type???? How can she, when she's been part of that same damned establishment with the B's for the last 30/40 years??...I am disgusted today, like I haven't been disgusted in a long time... wb
disclaimer: as always no offense is meant...neither to Hillary supporters, nor to Obama...those of you who love Hillary, have your reasons...I just don't belong with you..

[hell-bent]

96. The first president that I voted for was Kennedy.

After that, I voted for every Democratic nominee for president. Some were good men, some were just average. However, Bill Clinton was one of the best in spite of his adulterous ways. There were few military lives lost in combat, and this country was respected around the world. Clinton was admired by most of Western world. He and Paul Rubin gave us a balanced budget by raising the tax rate on the very wealthy. His eight years were good times for most Americans. If he could have run for a third term he would have won easily. Most historians rank Clinton right up near the top as one of the great presidents. I would imagine that quite a few of BO's supporters were just adolescents during that time and know nothing about those years except from what they learned from the Reich-Wing media. The Clintons are racists and would use the race card? Bullshit! Remember, if the dumb Democrats ran their primary the same way that the Rethugs do,(winner takes all delegates)Hillary would have a wide lead in delegate number. The caucus system is innately flawed as an undemocratic method of picking the nominee. It discriminates against certain workers and the elderly who don't wish to divulge their choice for the nominee in fear of vocal intimidation as experienced in the Texas caucus. I saw the shouting and the bantering in a Texas caucus on TV. Personally, I wouldn't be intimidated by anyone! No one would get in my face....Also, voters with disabilities would have problems coming out on a snowy evening late at night. WTF is wrong with a primary and the secret ballot? The GE is not run with caucuses. Hillary would make an excellent choice to run this country. Obama is also a good choice; however, I believe he lacks the experience and he is young enough to run for the high office for many years. I do not dislike Obama; however, his most zealous surrogates are hateful and lacking in maturity. They disgust me at times.

[windbreeze]

99. a further point...

we are NOT re electing Bill...so what kind of president he was, has NO bearing whatsoever on what kind of president Hillary might be...(my opinion is not the same as yours irregardless of what the media or historians try to convince us about his presidency)

I never said I wasn't going to vote for the Democratic nominee...NOR did I say that I supported Obama....what I did say, was that racism IS playing a part...that it DID play a big part in Pa., and in this day and age, that is a very sad fact to recognize as TRUTH...and that after the Pa. primary, I felt I had a better understanding of what's going on...and I am not happy about it..I never said either Clinton was a racist, in case that's what you are implying...I said RACISM played a part in yesterday's primary, and I provided proof (via a received email from Pa) that it did...

As for caucuses, I have caucused and I never saw any of the crap take place, that supposedly took place in other states...However in our state, the Dems made sure that our delegates were chosen by the caucuses...NOT by the Primary that was also held...imo, hold the primary, skip the caucuses, or hold caucuses and skip the primary...there is NO need for both to take place, and it's a hell of an burden on the taxpayers to do so...I was also told that we could thank the Dems for all of us having to vote by absentee ballot(which I hate)...

I'll sit back and watch now...I've all but totally lost interest in this race, but I want to see how it turns out, and how far off I am...Here I thought with all our wonderful "progressiveness", that we had gotten past gender/race issues, especially considering the choice we have is between a Democratic woman and a Democratic black man...it's kinda hard to find out I was wrong...wb

[wowimthere]

97. People think that racism doesn't exist in the Democratic party... only the GOP. Nope.

There are a lot more in the GOP but they exist in the Democratic party. I'd like to think it's not as big an issue given how much of the white vote Obama has gotten. And I'll add this... not everyone who supports Clinton or McCain are racists but looking at the results, I'd say...lol Clinton has a bigger chunk of racists than Obama. LOL.

[wowimthere]

98. that she got 75 percent of the Bigot or Racist vote is EMBARRASSING! In this day and age...

how can you like that number. I'm an Obama supporter and I looked at the issues. She voted for the war. He didn't. She voted for that bad bankruptcy bill. He didn't. She voted for the Kyle/Lieberman amendment and against the Levin amendment. He didn't vote for it. How can you use race and gender as substance over the authorization to send troops to die on the premise of a lie?

[GetTheRightVote]

100. I have stated sexism and racism are factors, sexism is in her favor

though, how many times I have been hit over the head for being a woman not voting for a woman.
If only I had a nickel for everytime, I would certainly be rich by far.

Exit poll question:
Would you vote for a black person in this campaign. 1 out of every 5 people said NO. Do you need me to say it again. This question was brought up on national TV last night early in the evening but very little
later in the night but it was asked and reported, thank you Penn State for being sightly racist.