Possible voter fraud in PA?

[pkz]

I do not know if this is true or not, but another board I frequent is jumping all over this.

Voter fraud in Pennsylvania – scoop!

by Matt Parker

Hillary supporters were handing out the fake ballots in front of polling places all over Philadelphia.





At the polling place I was at, the guy handing them out was standing right in front of the door as people walked in to go vote. You couldn't get past him without taking one.






He gave me a hard time when I tried to take his picture, but he immediately disappeared after I turned my back on him to call.


The "ballot" itself says "official", and is obviously meant to confuse or hoodwink people into voting for hillary clinton.


I called the board of elections, but all they did was take my name and ask me to mail them pictures and the fake ballot. They weren't interested in sending a cop out to stop voter fraud. I tried to talk to someone higher up, but they said that "Bob Lee", the voter registration Administrator was already gone for the day. GONE - for the day !?!?!?!? It was 7PM, the polls were still open for another hour.

The comments are very interesting on this page
http://paeditorsblog.blogspot.com/2008/04/voter-fraud-in-pennsylvania-scoop.html

[anonymous171]

1. SRSLY?

:wow:

[pkz]

3. Talked to a friend today that was working there

She said PA has a ten foot rule at the polling place...in WV it is 300ft.
She worked in a strong Obama area so she didn't know whether anything like this was happening.

[crispini]

8. Ten foot, ew. How annoying. Ours is 200.

and boy, do voters run sometimes when they don't want to talk to you, LOL.

[papau]

23. Wow - sure offsets the Obama folks cheating with those electronic machines (just a rumor)

[quakerboy]

26. You do know your rumor. I heard it was Clinton allies did the tampering, though.

[The Doctor.]

34. Holy shit. You're a disgrace to the verified voting movement.

At least they use facts. Meanwhile, if that 'ballot' is real, then it's not a rumor that Clinton supporters are engaged in fraud.

WTF is wrong with you?

[writes3000]

2. If it's true, it's scummy, dishonest and lacking integrity.

It really is appalling.

(Edit after I realized I went over the line.)

[thunder rising]

10. It's Hillary, what can a person say? Terry McAuliffe praising Faux Snooze?

Terry McAuliffe praises Fox News for praising Hillary Clinton
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbJVkIzKq64

[bluetrain]

4. This was debunked on Stephanie Millier's show on Tuesday.

[Kittycat]

27. I believe what was debunked was that this wasn't a real ballot.

not that someone wasn't handing them out.

[crispini]

5. It's pretty clearly a slate of suggestions to me.

I'm not entirely sure how this is different from any other campaign based materials that people can hand out outside of polling places. I do think if PA doesn't have a 200 foot electioneering rule, they SHOULD. I know some voters find electioneering outside of polling places annoying, but many do not mind it, especially when it comes to the races lower down on the ballot. I hand out a slate of my endorsements for almost every election, although I do tend to mail them or put them on the door. As long as it's done according to the state laws, it's legal and it would not be considered fraud.

[crankychatter]

6. How much does Labor Ready pay now?

because I think I saw that guy with a sign that said

"Why LIE? I need a beer."

[East Liberty Denizen]

7. Slate cards are legal in PA

Hillary Clinton (and the others listed) were the officially endorsed candidates. Party activists have been passing out those cards advising voters of the official slate for as long as I've been voting since at least the 70s.

Its certainly a time honored activity, which has been treated as legal for ages.

[crispini]

11. I do think it's pretty shabby of the party itself to officially endorse a candidate.

Our local party establishment was also for Clinton, mostly, but they at least TRIED to keep it a bit on the quiet side.

Actually, now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure we passed a rule at the last executive committee meeting forbidding party-level endorsements in the Democratic Primary. One of the Senate Districts endorsed a gubernatorial candidate a couple of years ago and it pissed a lot of people off.

[GetTheRightVote]

12. Well where on this ballet is Obama then, cheating is what I read here

HRC is a ugly loser.

[East Liberty Denizen]

16. Obama wasn't the endorsed candidate

so he wasn't on the endorsed slate card.

The local committee people gather in a meeting early in the year where they decide which candidates will be endorsed.

The committee people BTW are popularly elected by precinct at least here in Pittsburgh and I presume in Philadelphia.

[crispini]

20. Your County Executive Committee actually REGULARLY endorses?

I am amazed. Our CEC actually decided we would make it against the rules for us to endorse. Too divisive. Glad we did so.

How competitive are your committee member positions? (here we are precinct chairs) Because, yes, I'm elected, technically, LOL, but there's almost never anyone else on the ballot running against me.

[East Liberty Denizen]

22. the Democratic committee has regular meetings in Ally co.

Endorses people all the time, although sometimes decides not to.

The elections are usually not contested for committee, but they often aren't contested for constable, judge of elections, different row offices, or sometimes even state legislature.

[crispini]

25. What's a "row office"?

We are seeing more contested primaries in our city because it is trending heavily Democrat. The toughest fight this year locally was for the Democratic nomination for Tax Assessor!

[East Liberty Denizen]

28. row offices

They are the offices which were lined up in a row in the county office building, clerk of courts, recorder of deeds, register of wills, jury commissioner, protonathery (sp), coroner, controller. Some of them have been changed in recent years to appointed jobs in Allegheny Co.

[crispini]

29. Man. You elect WAY more than we do.

We elect County Commissioners (that over-see and appoint all those kinds of people), the County Clerk, the DA, and the Tax-Assessor, that's about it at the county level.

Of course, we do elect judges. That's a whole different level of interesting. :hi:

Edit: What's a protonathery?

[TorchTheWitch]

31. The Prothonotary is basically the Clerk of the Court...

of Common Pleas and who you send all your court filings to in court cases to be made part of the official record. I think Philadelphia County's Prothonotary is Joe Evers now. Some counties call them the Clerk of the Court or the Court Administrator or some other title like that, but I know in Philadelphia County the title is Prothonotary. There's probably something on the Court of Common Pleas site that explains what all the job consists of... they've always had a good informative website.

[crispini]

32. Whoa. I don't even know if we have that. It's certainly not named that.

Do ya'll elect judges too?

[crispini]

19. I've thought about this some more,

and I really think these kinds of tactics are totally unwise for a County Executive Committee to indulge in during such a divisive primary as this.

First of all, the loser in a primary (and by extension their supporters) really need to feel like you have been a fair agent during the election process. Otherwise they will feel less inclined to support the local party with donations, and they will feel less inclined to support the eventual nominee, and downballot races, in the fall.

Second, I don't know about PA, but in my state, the local county party is responsible for the election themselves. That is, it is county party employees who determine the polling locations and the staffing thereof. Therefore, if the county party is seen as in the bag for one candidate or another, they will open themselves to just this kind of accusation.

I myself am a local precinct chair and although I am well within my rights to officially endorse, I did not. This is because I would be running the election (and the caucus) and wanted to preserve harmony and equality in my neighborhood. Being a fair agent and representative for ALL my voters is more important in the long run than shoving my presidential choices down people's throats.

It is a shame that this particular county party has done this.

I wonder if they actually did decide to endorse as a county party? We are required to have a full meeting, with quorum, which is 300+ members, in order to do binding business such as this. Not an easy task to get a quorum for special meetings, although we can often manage to have it at our quarterly meetings. Do you know what the process is?

Obama supporters in PA would be well advised to find out what the method is for becoming precinct chairs (or ward heelers, or whatever you call them) and do so, if possible.

[GetTheRightVote]

9. She is borrowly from the Rove Playbook now, they do this type of thing

in Florida all the time. That is why I keep saying not to count our state, it has a crooken election system in it so no sincere results will even come from it until they use paper ballots again. Paper ballots have been voted down here many times over for this reason. We are so very sad down in the sunshine state for elections.

[Tellurian]

13. You borrow from thr Rove playbook and peddle rumor as fact..

[mrreowwr_kittty]

35. I agree. I say let McInsane have Florida.

We waste far too much money and resources trying to win a state with a jacked up election system (no offense to you regular Floridians). I feel the same way about Ohio. Let them go and concentrate on picking up Western states. If they go blue, great.

[RaleighNCDUer]

14. Not a ballot - particularly not an official ballot - no matter what it says -

but it is a voter guide suggesting a particular slate, therefore it is campaigning material and is ILLEGAL to have right outside the voting station.

EDIT: Illegal to DISTRIBUTE, not illegal to have.

[crispini]

15. Depends on the electioneering rule in the state.

Our state says, 200 feet but the voter can certainly bring this material in with them if they wish (they just can't show it to anyone).

Each state is different.

[BattyDem]

17. I don't know what the law is in PA, but in NJ ...

there can't be any campaign buttons, signs, clothing, flyers, etc. within 100 feet of the outside entrance of the polling place (up to and including the polling room). No electioneering of any kind is allowed. In other words, he would definitely be breaking the law in NJ.

About the "ballots" he was passing out:
I can't imagine that it's legal to pass out a phony ballot in front of the polling place on election day and label it an "Official Democratic Ballot" when only one candidate's name is on it. If it is legal, it certainly shouldn't be.

We often get those "candidate-specific" ballots (they are usually over-sized post cards) in the mail before election day, but no one has ever handed me one outside the polling place when I went to vote!

On edit: Just learned from a post above that is is legal in PA. So ... I guess they do things a bit differently than we do in my state. :-)

[murielm99]

18. It's always vote fraud when Obama doesn't win. n/t

[bowens43]

21. Oh come on.....

If they're so dumb that they don't know that Obama is on the ballot, they were going to vote for hillary any way.

[RaleighNCDUer]

24. LOL

[Barack_America]

30. Hillary's street money at work. There was voter disenfranchisement in West Philly...

...but I'd rather not give specifics. It is being looked at.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

36. I believe it. He should have done way better in Philly.

60/40 my ass. I figured him for at least 70% there. They had to have kept some people from voting or fooled with the machine.

[mopinko]

33. NOT VOTER FRAUD-

you would be alleging election fraud. please do not use the term voter fraud unless you are talking about individual VOTERS committing fraud.