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nomorewhopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:26 PM
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So who will be Obama's VP?
Interested as we're wrapping up the primary season

Obviously I bet they haven't had much time to think about this choice lately, but who do you believe Obama is going to ask to be on his ticket?

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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:28 PM
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1. Kucinich! Or maybe Edwards?
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nomorewhopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:31 PM
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5. Edwards would be awesome
but i don't think obama will choose a rich trial attorney for his ticket (since god forbid now they're calling him an elitist), although the southern thing is a bonus.

richardson would be cool, i like him, he's hispanic and from the SW.

i'm always a fan of biden. always have liked him and he has some serious foreign policy chops.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:30 PM
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2. Hillary
I just can't see a way out of it that would get the Democratic Party back on focusing on McCain.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:08 PM
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23. yeah right
:rofl:
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Growler Donating Member (896 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:48 AM
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52. Good lord, I hope not!
What a disaster for him!
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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:30 PM
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3. What?
you must be mistaken, he will be lucky if hillary gives him the veep nod!
:sarcasm:

I would like to see Webb or Feingold, neither one will ever happen:(
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:31 PM
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4. He needs a person with a strong national security background.
I'd like to see Wes Clark? But, I know he's a Clinton backer so he may not wish to accept such an offer?
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vixengrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:21 PM
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31. I love the idea of an Obama/Clark ticket--
the elite and foreign policy neophyte things would be taken right off, but I do wonder--would his being a Clinton backer keep him from accepting?

(A little unity ticket part of me--encouraged by my brother who was an independent until recently and not especially political, but likes both candidates, says, why, Clinton could be Obama's "Cheney"--as in, could just seem like the hawkish, security-minded, national defense person, balancing the ticket. When younger bro' said, "like Johnson for Kennedy", I fist-bumped him. If people could get on the same page, it could be good. I do tend to see him with someone bringing more experience or foreign policy cred to the table--but like a Jim Webb bringing the vet cred--totally acceptable: I like him.)
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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:25 PM
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36. Isn't Clark a big Hillary supporter...
I think Wes Clark Jr. was talking about that on TYT...
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vixengrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:35 PM
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42. Hugely--
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/12725

but I think he's more dedicated to *our* Democratic principles, and could accept a position in an Obama White House as well as a Clinton White House. I can only hope--he would be a valuable voice and very intelligent--I have admited him quite a bit.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:21 AM
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51. No WAY! If Obama choses a ret General it should be ZINNI, who also was against the Iraq war
from it's inception in the fevored little minds of BushCo. Neocon Cabal.

http://www.npr.org/programs/morning/zinni.html

Comments of Gen. Anthony Zinni (ret.) during a speech before the Florida Economic Club,
Aug. 23, 2002:

Attacking Iraq now will cause a lot of problems. I think the debate right now that's going on is very healthy. If you ask me my opinion, Gen. Scowcroft, Gen. Powell, Gen. Schwarzkopf, Gen. Zinni, maybe all see this the same way.

It might be interesting to wonder why all the generals see it the same way, and all those that never fired a shot in anger and really hell-bent to go to war see it a different way. That's usually the way it is in history. (Crowd laughter.)

But let me tell you what the problem is now as I see it. You need to weigh this: what are your priorities in the region? That's the first issue in my mind.

The Middle East peace process, in my mind, has to be a higher priority. Winning the war on terrorism has to be a higher priority. More directly, the situation in Afghanistan and Pakistan, Central Asia need to be resolved, making sure Al Qaeda can't rise again from the ashes that are destroyed. Taliban cannot come back. That the warlords can't regain power over Kabul and Karzai, and destroy everything that has happened so far.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:04 PM
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94. I prefer Clark personally. Zinni endorsed Bush in 2000
for starters.

An effort to get him to run for the U.S. Senate has stalled indefinitely.<3> Zinni has said he will never run for office. He says his decision to endorse President George W. Bush in 2000 was a mistake. He plans to avoid politics in the future.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Zinni#Military_career
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 10:58 PM
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100. But there ya go: With regard to Foreign Affairs and Military History - Zinni has "spot on"judgment
I don't give a damn who he has politically supported in the past. Zinni is arguably, one of the most respected retired Marine General in the history of the Corps. NOT respected by the politicos, but highly respected by the men and women Marines he led. Further, we'd be hard pressed to find a man with the HIGH diplomatic credentials in the M.E. who can effectively communicate with ALL factions.

Zinni is "The Genuine Article" as ME Diplomat - Obama deserves the BEST and that person is retired General Anthony Zinni. ;)
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 11:03 PM
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101. I wish I agreed with that.
The judgment of anyone who endorsed Bush is questionable as it relates to foreign affairs. It also appears he took issue with the "planning" of the Iraq war, vs. the war itself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Zinni

Testimony before Congress

On March 15, 2000, Zinni testified before Congress that "Iraq remains the most significant near-term threat to U.S. interests in the Persian Gulf region. This is primarily due to its large conventional military force, pursuit of WMD, oppressive treatment of Iraqi citizens, refusal to comply with United Nations Security Council Resolutions (UNSCR), persistent threats to enforcement of the No Fly Zones (NFZ), and continued efforts to violate UN Security Council sanctions through oil smuggling."

"While Iraq's WMD capabilities were degraded under UN supervision and set back by Coalition strikes, some capabilities remain and others could quickly be regenerated. Despite claims that WMD efforts have ceased, Iraq probably is continuing clandestine nuclear research, retains stocks of chemical and biological munitions, and is concealing extended-range SCUD missiles, possibly equipped with CBW payloads. Even if Baghdad reversed its course and surrendered all WMD capabilities, it retains the scientific, technical, and industrial infrastructure to replace agents and munitions within weeks or months. A special concern is the absence of a UN inspection and monitoring presence, which until December 1998 had been paramount to preventing large-scale resumption of prohibited weapons programs. A new disarmament regime must be reintroduced into Iraq as soon as possible and allowed to carry out the mandates dictated by the post-Gulf War UN resolutions."

Zinni also warned about terrorism: "Extremists like Osama bin Laden and his World Islamic Front network benefit from the global nature of communications that permits recruitment, fund raising, and direct connections to sub-elements worldwide . . . Terrorists are seeking more lethal weaponry to include: chemical, biological, radiological, and even nuclear components with which to perpetrate more sensational attacks . . . Three of the seven recognized state-sponsors of terrorism are within this potentially volatile area, and the Taliban regime in Afghanistan has been sanctioned by the UN Security Council for its harboring of Osama bin Laden. Nearly one half of the 28 recognized terrorist organizations have operational sites within the region. Afghanistan has emerged as a catalyst for regional instability offering sanctuary, support, and training facilities to a growing number of extremist elements."<2>


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not_too_L8 Donating Member (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 11:37 AM
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87. Gen. Anthony Charles Zinni
Anthony Charles Zinni (born September 17, 1943) is a retired four-star general in the United States Marine Corps and a former Commander in Chief of U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM). In 2002, he was selected to be a special envoy for the United States to Israel and the Palestinian Authority. He has been a public critic of the Bush administration and did not support the decision to go to war in Iraq.

While serving as special envoy, Zinni was also an instructor in the Department of International Studies at the Virginia Military Institute. Presently, he is an instructor at the Sanford School of Public Policy at Duke University, a public speaker, and an author of two best-selling books on his military career and foreign affairs, most recently Battle for Peace. He also is involved in the corporate world, joining M.I.C. Industries as its president for International Operations in 2005. General Zinni also serves on the advisory boards of eight different companies, including the security testing firm, Mu Security, based in Sunnyvale, California. He will begin teaching at Duke University's Terry Sanford Institute of Public Policy in Spring 2008.<1>
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:33 PM
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6. It's looking like Jim Webb.
National security strength, man's man, southern swing state.

Basically the perfect package.
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:34 PM
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7. Except he's a senator
Two senators on the ticket is not happening.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:46 PM
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11. Is that a law?
:shrug:

If not, remember that black men also aren't *supposed* to be the nominee.

Some traditions are meant to be broken.
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Shae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:50 PM
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12. I think
that we don't want to take any more Dems out of the Senate than we have to. However if the Governor replaces the Senator, VA has a Democratic governor.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:54 PM
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15. Precisely. Personally, I actually prefer Kaine.
But you can't deny that Webb has the right mix.
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 11:40 AM
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89. Plus he has a son in Iraq
And he has stellar military credentials of his own. And he wouldn't take any crap off of anyone. He'd be the perfect foil to McCain, being strong where Obama is weak.
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:53 AM
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53. Right, because a senator at the top of the ticket won't work either...hasn't since Kennedy...
oh, wait.

And in case you need reminding, LBJ was Senate Majority Leader before he became Kennedy's VP.
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 11:44 AM
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90. Richardson or Webb. I flip flop on my choice constantly.
Richardson because of his experience in statesmanship. Webb because of his military experience.

My more shameful reasons:

Richardson to bring in the Hispanic vote and the West. And because of his brave endorsement.

Webb because he might help bring in the white working class, gun enthusiasts, and military vote.

What WILL happen:

Obama will make his choice based on who he thinks is up to the job of President and not on demographics. Either of my 2 choices would fit the bill in any case.
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Pisces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:42 PM
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9. I 'd like to see Webb too, Just did the GI bill with Repubs.
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tokenlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:37 PM
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8. Bill Richardson or Wes Clark
Two reasons--National Security--Duh!
Geographical Considerations--try to put some western states into play
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:43 PM
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10. A first-draft list might include names like
Gen. Zinni
Gen. Clark
Bill Bradley
Bill Richardson
Gov. Sebelius
Tom Harkin
Tom Daschle


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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:52 PM
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13. I include Daschle in that list because there would be a plus to
his appeal to older voters, his being a fairly high-profile west-of-the-Mississippi Democrat, and not least, his having the working knowledge of both chambers of the 111th Congress to oversee President Obama's legislative agenda.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 04:23 AM
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72. He lost his own seat, and lest we forget, was not terribly popular in Washington or with grassroots.
Edited on Fri Apr-25-08 04:25 AM by Leopolds Ghost
He may be rehabilitating himself as an elder statesman but that doesn't make him a ticket balancer, merely a good person to have on your senior committee. Then again, if he can carry SD for Obama... but that is unlikely and I don't see how his influence translates to any neighboring state.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 11:58 PM
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104. We disagree. For the reasons I stated, I expect him to be on Obama's
shortlist for veep, or very possibly as chief of staff in the White House.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:54 PM
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14. I think you could add Sam Nunn to that list
He's only a year older than Harkin (turns 70 this fall, Harkin turns 69) and is a couple years younger than McCain. He is well respected for his knowledgability on defense issues, and while he was moderate to conservative on many issues, the most controversial entry on his record is that he voted against the first gulf war, which may endear him to the anit war voeters, but may provide a repub talking point against him.

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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:56 PM
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16. Hi, onenote. I know his name has been mentioned, and I know he
would have some appeal to the veteran/military voters. He was a finalist for Bill Clinton's Sec. of Defense job, losing in the last round to Wisconsin's Les Aspin.

Of retired Georgia Senators, my favorite would be Max Cleland. For some reason Nunn never did it for me. Just one person's view, though.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:07 PM
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22. Agreed. But has Cleland endorsed anyone yet?
Edited on Thu Apr-24-08 11:09 PM by onenote
Max was the victim of one of the most scurrilous campaigns I can recall, and while it was outrageous, the fact that he lost that campaign while Nunn retired "undefeated" makes me think that Nunn might have an edge if the Obama campaign was comparing the two. That plus the fact that Nunn has endorsed Obama. (If I'm wrong and Cleland also has endorsed Obama, then disregard this part of my post!)
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:13 PM
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30. I don't know. But he often sticks with John Kerry as a matter of personal
connection, and with the Kerry endorsement of Obama, plus the strong Obama showing in Georgia, I'm wondering if Max isn't on board.

Ann Coulter and others should be deeply, unpardonably ashamed of the smear job they ran on Max Cleland.
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tokenlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:08 PM
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25. Max Cleland just for the "in your face" value of warning the ...
Edited on Thu Apr-24-08 11:18 PM by tokenlib
..527s and swiftboater types. And it would make for a strong, emotional,gesture of substance and symbolism that an Obama administration will do right by the veterans. I hadn't thought of Cleland before--but what a great idea.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:12 PM
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28. Yes. The Bush administration has mistreated and neglected vets and their
families for about 8 years now and Max would bring some very instant integrity and stature to the job. Plus, I really like the guy to begin with.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 04:05 AM
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66. Why the heck isn't anyone talking about VA? If Obama lost PA he would need VA to win
Point blank. And Kaine is term-limited as Governor. He is also a "values voter" Dem, being a "culture of life Catholic" who was a (liberal) missionary in his youth. The only problem is he has no foreign policy experience. But who else can you get from VA? You don't want to take Webb out of the Senate seat he just won; two first term senators would totally blunt any claim that Webb added experience to the ticket. And Republicans would swiftboat Webb with the same ineffectual response from Democrats that we are seeing in the case of Kerry and Obama -- Dems here would merely throw him under the bus, especially Clintonite women offended by his male chauvinism in the Navy. Mudcat Saunders?
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 04:09 AM
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68. Note that he would need VA to win even WITH Colo. Nev. and NM
Richardson is excellent for those states, and in TX, but actually hurts him in the South, northern tier (where Obama is
strongest) and the Rust Belt where all Hispanics are grouped together into "scab immigrants fresh off the boat invading
non Hispanic areas" category. Richardson would be asked to reject and denounce all manner of Hispanic Willie Hortons.
Bloody shirts would be waved.

No, I think it has to be Clark. He is the only one who can lock down both NM, make peace with Clinton voters
(especially working class rural Clintonites -- the few who are sincere) and make Colo. and VA competitive.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:56 PM
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17. I bet $10 he'll ask Nancy Pelosi...
I've got this sneaking suspicion that he'll ask her.

Wouldn't that be interesting?
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:57 PM
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18. by god it would.
Yes.

And I like it, too.

a lot.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:08 PM
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24. I saw her on CNN tonight, and I...
Edited on Thu Apr-24-08 11:09 PM by TwoSparkles
...heard her talking about the Obama/Clinton ticket.

She dismissed it outright.

You know how you just get this <ping!> when someone says something. You know they
know a great deal more than they are saying. There was just something there when
she was talking about Obama's running mate. I literally said out loud, "He's
all ready asked her."

I am betting it's all ready a done deal.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:11 PM
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27. That's bold talk, TwoSparkles, and exciting, and I like it.
It's a possibility.

It answers the percentages of Clinton supporters who swear they won't vote for Obama because he beat "their girl Hillary" by replacing her with a California Democrat with a lot more legislative know-how.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:22 PM
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32. That's a big part of it...
Edited on Thu Apr-24-08 11:24 PM by TwoSparkles
If he picks Pelosi--it takes the edge off of him not picking Hillary. It demonstrates
that he is more than willing to select a woman--and that he reveres women and will leverage
a woman---IF that woman is not only intelligent and experienced---but decent, gracious and
a respectable, honorable person. Unlike Hillary.

Can you just hear Obama announcing that his running mate is Pelosi? He'll list off REAL
accomplishments, REAL experience and she's the Speaker of The House.

The choice alone makes Hillary look lesser than. The choice would make sense to Democrats--and it
would demonstrate to many Hillary supporters that it's not about gender--it's about the person, and
Pelosi's experience, demeanor, honesty and stature tower above Clinton's.

People will understand, respect and be excited about that choice.

I think it would be a brilliant move.

Plus, she's from California!
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:24 PM
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35. It would be a stunner. I think the convention would be thrilled to
nominate a woman as our vice presidential candidate. I think they'd stomp themselves silly when she took the stage.

And I WILL be supporting that ticket.
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dbmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 03:40 AM
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63. That is prob high on the list
But don't you think they would think twice about fielding a black guy and woman from California?

Ok, I guess that most of the states where that might be a problems are written of anyways.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 09:18 AM
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79. Well, I understand why that argument is out there, but I'm a liberal
Democrat and have a lot of respect for those demographics.


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RogueTrooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 04:37 AM
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74. not going to happen
he would get pwn3d in the south (and probably the mid-west) if he choose Pelosi. If he was going to go for that kind of symbolism I would guess he would pick Kathleen Sebelius.
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 11:32 AM
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83. I wonder if Pelosi's "San Francisco Liberal" label
isn't too big a problem for that ticket? I'd love to see it, but boy, that meme has a LOT of negative appeal with some people.

I have read in the past that VP choices don't really have much effect on elections. Anyone know better?
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 11:32 AM
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82. i saw it too
and had a funny feeling about it
now it comes into focus
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:13 PM
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29. I don't think Pelosi would trade being Speaker for VP
I wouldn't!
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Growler Donating Member (896 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:53 AM
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54. I would!
Pelosi would be both the first female speaker, and first female VP! What a coup!

Sadly, I doubt it will happen. Freeperland hates Pelosi almost as much as Hillary, and I can see every Rethug in the country climbing out of the woodwork to vote against the evil SF liberal and the black guy.
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Kitty Herder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 04:14 AM
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69. I wish she would. She's been disappointing as Speaker. And I had such
Edited on Fri Apr-25-08 04:17 AM by Herdin_Cats
high hopes for her. To be honest, I hoped she'd be our first female president. (As a result of two impeachments.)

Edited to add: I do think she would be a fine V.P. And if something happened and she became President, we could certainly do worse. I think as President, the lack of political courage that seems to have plagued her as Speaker wouldn't be an issue.
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:58 PM
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19. Sebelius
Edited on Thu Apr-24-08 11:17 PM by Gore1FL
1> She is a perfect philosophical match.
2> She has executive experience.
3> She isn't another Senator.
4> She has won statewide in a "red" state.
5> She puts the midewest on the table.
6> She has rural appeal.
7> There is no question about her taking the top spot should, God forbid, that ever be necessary.
8> She has already stood up to Bush and the depletion of the National Guard and the effect on disaster recovery.
9> She won't take shit off of anybody, including Obama.
10> It will end the ridiculous misogynist charges.
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datopbanana Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 04:16 AM
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70. "Sebelius was born and raised in a Catholic family in Cincinnati, Ohio." dbl cuh-ching
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 04:29 AM
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73. Excellent suggestion. If only she had military experience she'd be a female Clark ;-)
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 07:26 AM
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78. Sebelius indeed!
Love it! She would make a perfect V.P. She also delivered a great response to the State of the Union this year.
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CK_John Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:59 PM
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20. IMO, the Mayor of NYC will have a place at the table. n/t
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:02 PM
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21. Webb or Nunn.
--Gotta go with the conservative democrat, preferably southern to counter this ridiculous idea that Obama is a left-wing extremist.

--Gotta go with a white, male b/c unfortunately, if he picks a woman or minority, the media would obsess about whether a minority ticket would struggle getting white votes, and it might become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

--Gotta go with someone with military/foreign policy creds to counter the idea that Obama has none.

--Gotta go with someone that is popular in a red state Deomcrats ordinarily wouldn't win in a GE, but Obama could conceivably win with some help to push him over the top (Georgia or Virginia)
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:11 PM
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26. Oh fuck no! That would be just enough to make me pissed off at Obama all over again...
Nunn? Seriously, the author of DADT? We don't need more homophobic assholes in the campaign.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:30 PM
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39. You're going to have to look at the big picture.....
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:33 PM
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40. Thanks but no thanks, we accept enough bigotry as it is...
we should draw a line somewhere. I swear, some of you "realpolitick" Democrats remind me all over again why I will never join your political party.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:46 PM
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44. I'm not a realpolitik democrat
lol

but don't you think Obama needs a conservative democrat as VP to make him more electable? If so, why would you balk when you find out the conservative democrat has some conservative democrat views?

Just b/c he drafted "don't ask don't tell" doesn't mean he's anti-gay anyway. That's a flawed argument.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:51 PM
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45. He was outspoken in his views about Gays in the military...
and he's a homophobic asshole because of it. In addition to that, Obama already is an economic conservative Democrat, why the hell should he get a social conservative(bigot) on board? How unpalatable is that ticket anyways, besides the fact that probably 90% of the country forgot who the fuck Nunn was anyways. Talk about yesterday's news. What is this, a contest to see who can be more right wing, Obama or McCain?
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:58 PM
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47. It's just a VP choice.
Edited on Thu Apr-24-08 11:58 PM by woolldog
And Obama needs to counter this misconception that he's a left-winger.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:11 AM
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48. Hell, I wish he were a left-winger, it would make it easier for me to vote for him...
of course, if wishes were horses, we would all ride, or something like that, I forget how that goes.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 04:18 AM
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71. Webb is not conservative. He is a New Deal populist who is a hawk that opposes adventurism.
Edited on Fri Apr-25-08 04:33 AM by Leopolds Ghost
This puts him to the right of me, at least on civil liberties and military spending, but that's not saying much.

(lest we forget, there are deep internal divisions among the populists on civil liberties, ranging from the "let's force everyone to buy insurance and plastic jungle gyms" populism of Clinton voters, to the civil libertarianism of people like Mike Gravel, Ron Paul, and Thomas Jefferson. I am somewhat in the latter camp, despite being an unofficially registered Populist, who are technically Naderites. I have respect for Nader but I don't really consider him a populist -- he is a traditional reformist progressive).

Essentially Webb's views and respect within the party resemble that of JFK -- what would be centrist in the 1960s.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 11:24 AM
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80. but isn't he seen as more conservative?
possibly just because he used to be a republican and is a former military man.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:22 PM
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33. Grimmace.
Oh wait that is McDonald's...

Um...?

I guess Burger King rules alone.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 04:38 AM
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75. Mayor McCheese with Tourette's Syndrome.
Edited on Fri Apr-25-08 04:42 AM by Leopolds Ghost
He would distract from Obama's "Wright problem".

Plus, he has executive experience.



"God Damn the pizza companies, fuck, shit!", pronounces McCheese
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 11:34 AM
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85. LOL....A much better choice! nt
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:23 PM
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34. Biden shuts up the right wing media pundits
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:26 PM
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37. Biden is one of the most solid Democrats that ever was.
He's said he doesn't want the vice presidency, but I hope he might reconsider if asked.

On foreign policy experience, it would be extraordinarily difficult for the Pukes to find anyone halfway as qualified or impressive.
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:14 AM
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50. exactly!
Biden is fireproofing. He can laugh McBush right out of any debate.

Obama could go on cruise control and let Joe swing away.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:30 PM
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38. Smokin' Joe Biden!!!!
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:51 PM
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46. Now THAT would be funny.
The guy who basically ended his run on the same day he started it with his "articulate" remark

:)

Biden would be good but I'm not sure you want two senators. Plus, what would happen with Biden's seat?
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:34 PM
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41. I say Jim Webb, Tim Kaine, or Brian Schweitzer. All GREAT choices.
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 11:41 PM
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43. Bill Richardson..he has the foreign policy credentials.
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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:13 AM
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49. I wish he would take Richard Clarke
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mystieus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:54 AM
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55. Kathleen Sebelius
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 01:56 AM
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56. See my post upthread about why he can't pick a woman.
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 02:25 AM
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57. Governor Bill Ritter of Colorado
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 03:15 AM
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58. Webb, Richardson or Clark ... anyone but Hillary
is fine with me. :-)
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StevieM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 03:29 AM
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60. I doubt Hillary will accept. If Obama gets the nomination and they avoid a brokered convention
then he will probably plead with her to nominate him. She might say yes if he apologizes for basically calling her a bad person. But Obama doesn't apologize so it probably won't happen.

Steve
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 03:29 AM
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59. Richardson makes the most sense, IMHO. Me? I'd like to see Dodd, Feingold, maybe Boxer
although I hate the idea of the Gropenator picking her replacement...
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 03:30 AM
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61. No sitting Senators unless they will be replaced by Progressive Dems
especially dynamos like Webb

Governors should be selected by the votes they'll bring us.

for example Richardson... Southwest and West... brings foreign policy creds

The West is the new South
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dbmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 03:32 AM
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62. Webb fits the bill
I'm from Denmark, so I might not have the full picture.

But when I described at one point what I saw them needing as a VP - and then _subsequently_ looked up Webb(I did not know him by anything but name) - the similarities were almost scary.

Older white male, with a good military record and as far as I can gather a good track record with the white working class male. Something that will make fencesitters think they will get a little of the good side of McCain in the Obama bargain.

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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 04:45 AM
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76. I agree with you, I'm just worried that both Obama and Webb just got into the Senate n/t
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davidpdx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 03:55 AM
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64. I think Clarke would be the best bet
and would be at least a concession to Clinton supporters. Yes, he may have supported the war at some point, but he has great credentials.
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aaroh Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 03:56 AM
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65. Kansas Governor - Kathleen Sebelius
Sebelius is like-minded with Obama, she believes in bipartinship and even has a republican running mate in Kansas. She's a greenie - Sebelius vetoed a bill that increased the number of coal plants in Kansas. Eliminated a billion dollar budget deficit without raising taxes.

What will Sebelius bring to the table?

- Kansas and mid-western state
- women voters
- white voters

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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 04:09 AM
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67. If he is the nominee.
Hillary
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nomorewhopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 07:21 AM
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77. he is the nominee
no point pretending otherwise
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 11:35 AM
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86. What a picture!
So young and innocent. I miss that Bill.

Never cared much for her. :shrug:
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 11:54 AM
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91. Meanwhile, we're moving on....
eom
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IndependentDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 11:28 AM
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81. I'm pulling for Edwards or Richardson. n/t
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Tommy_Carcetti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 11:33 AM
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84. It will be Richardson. I'll be willing to bet money on it.
Edited on Fri Apr-25-08 11:34 AM by PeterU
Seriously.
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krawhitham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:00 PM
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93. That ticket will lose
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 12:04 AM
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106. Disagree. Disagree strongly.
That ticket would be a historic wave and it would be a rich damned delight to be a part of it.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 11:38 AM
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88. Colin Powell
:kick:
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 11:55 AM
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92. HELL no.
A million times, NO
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:06 PM
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95. There are a number of possibilities
Hillary Clinton is the obvious first choice. Bill Richardson and Joe Biden would bring serious foreign policy credentials in. As for longshots, I'd throw out Kathleen Sebelius or Brian Schweitzer, popular Democratic governors in normally red states.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:07 PM
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96. Janet Napolitano..(we could win Arizona with her.. heh-heh-heh)
From what I hear, SHE's more popular than Mccain is..and she would be a relief for the women who lost their little hillie..and after 2 terms, Janet would be 58..and could be the first woman president after serving 8 years as vp..and SHE would be a true female role model..not a desperate hanger-on, claiiming her husband's resume as her own..
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jesus_of_suburbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:07 PM
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97. Gotta be someone who supported Clinton.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:08 PM
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98. Someone out west, where are best pick-up opportunities are...
... Richardson, Schweitzer, someone else out there.
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invictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 12:42 PM
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99. Richardson, Sebelius or another non-DLC governor. n/t
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 11:04 PM
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102. Clinton
just like Obama would be hers.

At least, if we want to actually win.
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 11:06 PM
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103. Nunn would be a great help to him.
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Aloha Spirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 12:02 AM
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105. I know this sounds super dumb, but why not Howard Dean?
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