Supers need to pick now or before July to save the Dem party..

[Bensthename]

We have a major problem on our hands.

We have Hillary that is willing to demolish Obama's character and credibility all in the name of "the GOP will do it too".. And wants this to go all the way to August.
Then we have Obama that mathematically can not lose, but he can not attack her too hard for risk of losing the Hillary voters that he will need in Nov. So he is in a bind..

Basically there is no end in site and this could go all the way to August..
So, what will we end up with in August.. A huge fight between the two with one winner and 50% of the dem party so PO'd that a huge majority of them will just stay home Nov. 2nd..

Is this necessary? Almost 2 years campaigning, 21 debates and all is known about both candidates..

Have we forgotten there is a 3rd person in this race? He is lapping up free media, collecting millions of dollars for the gen election, picking his VP, bringing his base together, gathering possible indies and turned off dems, etc..

SUPERS.. You are not uninformed on the candidates policies. You get personal phone calls from the candidates to answer any questions..
It is time for you to vote. Pick your candidate at least as soon as the primaries are over..

We need to start working on the primary.. Every day that goes by is million$ we are losing to fight McCain and time spent to bring the party together.

Taking this to August is a guaranteed win for McCain.. Don't let that happen.

We need to start bugging every super possible and tell them to step in NOW...

[LakeSamish706]

1. One problem with the Supers coming out that I can see....

If the Supers decide for Obama the Clintons will not leave it at that, they will continue there smear campaign I think. They will cry foul and use the media (faux noise no doubt) to continue "The I have been cheated" scenario.

[Bensthename]

3. Yah, well at least if we have a nominee (Obama) the other will then

be ignored as a sore loser and we can then move on to the general..

[Tellurian]

13. I see a problem as well,

if the Supers decide for Hillary, Obama, Kerry, Kennedy, Pelosi and Dean, will cry foul and won't leave it at that. There will be lawsuits filed by both losers of presidential politics and this thing will go on and on and on and on!

[cali]

18. codswalloop. first of all every indication is that the SDs

will go for Obama, and if it did go the other way it's only sick, sick hillarian projection to think that others would act as vile as hilly.

[Ronnie]

23. I'm so impressed that you know this.

Got some numbers to share?

[East Liberty Denizen]

2. That wouldn't stop the race

Even if all of the SD's were to announce their intentions , they are all entitled to change their minds right up to the balloting at the convention.

[electron_blue]

4. Yep! I agree.

What a mess.

[Bensthename]

5. once 2024 is reached

The general campaign will begin. There will be no need to change unless something extremely dramatic happens.

[East Liberty Denizen]

8. 1980 convention

Is my memory foggy, or did Kennedy continue to fight for the nomination even up to the convention, even after Carter had the majority of pledged delegates?

[GoldieAZ49]

9. He did take it to the convention and was much further behind Carter than

Hillary is.



Kennedy’s official announcement was scheduled for early November. There was a prime time interview with CBS’s Roger Mudd and it was a minor disaster. Kennedy flubbed a number of the questions and couldn’t exactly explain why he was running, and the polls, which showed him leading the President by 58-25 in August now had him ahead 49-39.<5> Then the hostages were taken in Tehran, Iran and the bottom fell out of the Kennedy campaign.

Carter’s approval ratings jumped in the 60-percent range in some polls, due to a "rally ‘round the flag" effect<6> and an appreciation of Carter's calm handling of the crisis. Kennedy was suddenly left far behind. Carter beat Kennedy decisively in Iowa and New Hampshire. Carter decisively defeated Kennedy everywhere except Massachusetts, until impatience began to build with the President’s strategy on Iran. When the later primaries in New York, Pennsylvania, and Connecticut came around, it was Kennedy who won largely due to such impatience.

Carter was still able to maintain a substantial lead even after Kennedy swept the last batch of primaries in June. Despite this, Kennedy refused to drop out, and the 1980 Democratic National Convention was one of the nastiest on record. On the penultimate day, Kennedy conceded the nomination and called for a more liberal party platform in what many saw as the best speech of his career. On the platform on the final day, Kennedy for the most part ignored Carter.
The delegate tally at the convention was in part:

Jimmy Carter – 2,129.02
Ted Kennedy – 1,150.48
14 others – 66.5
In the vice presidential roll call, Mondale was re-nominated with 2,428.7 votes to 723.3 not voting and 179 scattering.

The popular votes in the primaries were:<7>
Jimmy Carter (inc.) - 10,043,016 (51.13%)
Ted Kennedy - 7,381,693 (37.58%)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1980

[tekisui]

11. Brokered Conventions or Convention fights always end in General Election Loss.

We should all want it decided before Denver.

[flowomo]

20. JFK didn't get the nom until the convention....he won

hell, LBJ didn't even get in the race until a week or so before the convention! And they debated AT the convention.

[flowomo]

21. 1960... JFK... check it out

[GoldieAZ49]

27. You are correct:

The 1960 Democratic National Convention was held in Los Angeles. In the week before the convention opened, Kennedy received two new challengers when Lyndon B. Johnson, the powerful Senate Majority Leader from Texas, and Adlai Stevenson II, the party's nominee in 1952 and 1956, announced their candidacies. However, neither Johnson nor Stevenson was a match for the talented and highly efficient Kennedy campaign team led by Robert Kennedy. Johnson challenged Kennedy to a televised debate before a joint meeting of the Texas and Massachusetts delegations; Kennedy accepted. Most observers felt that Kennedy won the debate, and Johnson was not able to expand his delegate support beyond the South.

Stevenson was popular among many liberal delegates, especially in California, but his two landslide defeats in 1952 and 1956 led party leaders to search for a "fresh face" who had a better chance of winning. Kennedy won the nomination on the first ballot.

Then, in a move which surprised many, Johnson was asked by Kennedy to be his running mate. To this day there is much debate regarding the details of Johnson's nomination - why it was offered and why he agreed to take it. Some historians speculate that Kennedy actually wanted someone else (such as Senators Stuart Symington or Henry M. Jackson) to be his running mate, and that he offered the nomination to Johnson first only as a courtesy to the powerful Senate Majority Leader. According to this theory, Kennedy was then surprised when Johnson accepted second place on the Democratic ticket.

Another related story is that, after Johnson accepted the offer, Robert Kennedy went to Johnson's hotel suite to dissuade Johnson from becoming the vice-presidential nominee. Johnson was offended that "JFK's kid brother" would brashly urge him to stay off the ticket. In response to his blunt confrontation with Robert Kennedy, Johnson called JFK to confirm that the vice-presidential nomination was his; JFK clearly stated that he wanted Johnson as his running mate. Johnson and Robert Kennedy became so embittered by the experience that they began a fierce personal and political feud that would have grave implications for the Democratic Party in the 1960s. Despite the reservations Robert Kennedy had about Johnson's nomination, the move proved to be a masterstroke for his older brother. Johnson vigorously campaigned for JFK and was instrumental in helping the Democrats to carry several Southern states skeptical of Kennedy, especially Johnson's home state of Texas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election%2C_1960

[newmajority]

22. And look what the result of that was

28 continuous years of the Bush Crime Family and their friends sending this country into a downward toilet spiral. We have an opportunity to stop that spiral and begin the restoration of this country. We cannot waste it on the vanity of Hillary Clinton.

[GoldieAZ49]

26. Carter lost because of how he handled Iran, not because it was a contested

primary all the way to the convention.

This is why dems need to be stronger on nation security or we will never win the white house, just congressional seats for the check and balance of power.

[Liberal Gramma]

24. Keep hoping, Maybe you'll win the lottery too.

[backscatter712]

6. May 20th is when it will be over.

Obama will get the magic Pelosi number of 1,627 pledged delegates, making it mathematically impossible for Hillary to catch up. The Pelosi gang will endorse soon after, shooting Obama's total delegats over 2,024

[Bensthename]

7. I hope you are right.. I'd like to see Obama

win IN and NC. I think they will flood in if he does that also.. They better any way..
These guys have to know the devistation that will happen if this last too much longer.

[tekisui]

12. I think it will be over before then.

Hillary will lose NC big, that will end it. Hillary has to prove Obama is damaged and that she can beat him on his turf. She can't. He'll take the NC win, and probably Indiana. I think Hillary will concede sometime between May 6th and May 20th.

[backscatter712]

17. That's certainly possible.

If Obama completely pwns Clinton on May 6th, not just in N. Carolina, but in Indiana, she's definitely gonna get pressured to bow out. It certainly could happen sooner than May 20th, but the race will not last for more than a few days past May 20th.

[thoughtcrime1984]

10. June 4

The day after the Primaries conclude and the delegate numbers are known, the SD's should step forward. There'd be no reason to not make their intentions known by this date.

[NightOwwl]

14. Not only do I think she will not concede...

I think following the (inevitable) nomination of Obama, she will file a lawsuit against the DNC over the non-seating of Michigan and Florida delegates.
I'm afraid we haven't seen the worst of it. :scared:

[ossman]

15. 2 more months? You're such a hard-ass. How about May 7!

[barack the house]

16. It's best to ask them politely and with inspirational emails best to encourage them gently.

[SoCalDem]

19. Once a primary has winnowed to TWO candidates,

ALL the SDs should be required to "line up" behind their candidate..

That would end the deal of the "secret hand" under the table..

The candidates would then campaign and let the progression of the states decide who gets it..

They should know how much support they have, and so should WE..

That secret hand is the real problem here.. Each candidate thinks the "hand" is holding 4 Aces..for them..and the opponent is sure it's 4 Aces for THEM..

A better solution would be for NO super delegates..talk about "elitism":eyes:

[kentuck]

25. The supers need to wait and see who the people want...

There is no need to try and rush it. This is a 15-round heavyweight fight. It may go the full 15 rounds. The referee is not going to stop it in the 14th round. We'll just have to let it play out.

[GoldieAZ49]

28. What referee?

There isn't one!

The super delegates can do nothing until they vote at the convention