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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 04:59 PM
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Are we ready to have a serious policy discussion? (Or are we still Pastorbaiting?)
Edited on Sat Apr-26-08 05:15 PM by Tatiana
Edited to change title and add the following... It seems to me that there is a lack of focus on what the Democratic Party agenda is and how the proposed policies of two remaining candidates compare. So I am going to go through the six major points of the Democratic Party agenda (Honest Leadership & Open Government, Real Security, Energy Independence, Economic Prosperity & Educational Excellence, A Healthcare System that Works for Everyone, and Retirement Security) and ask DUers to look at how their preferred candidate lines up with what our national party seeks.

The Democratic Party Agenda: Honest Government & Open Government

We will end the Republican culture of corruption and restore a government as good as the people it serves, starting with real ethics reform.

The Democratic Party is committed to real ethics reform and meaningful campaign finance reform that protects our rights and ensures that elected officials act ethically -- not just within the law, but within the spirit of the law. Democrats offer an aggressive reform package to reverse Republican excesses and restore the public trust.

We are committed to immediate change to lead our country in a new direction, to put an end to Republican business as usual, and to make certain our nation's leaders serve the people's interests, not special interests. For us, this commitment spans our lifetime, as we were elected to represent the people, not the powerful.

Our goal is to restore accountability, honesty and openness at all levels of government. To do so, we will create and enforce rules that demand the highest ethics from every public servant, sever unethical ties between lawmakers and lobbyists, and establish clear standards that prevent the trading of official business for gifts.

http://www.democrats.org/a/national/honest_government/


Hillary Clinton's plan:

Americans are ready for a government that puts competence ahead of cronyism.

In the past seven years, we've seen the president hand out jobs to his friends who were not qualified. Give out no-bid contracts to Halliburton. Fire U.S. attorneys who tried to uphold the law. And then there was Hurricane Katrina -- when a natural disaster became a national disgrace. It's a government of the few, by the few, and for the few -- and good luck to everyone else.

Well, how about this for a new approach? No more cronyism, no more corruption, and no more deception. And here's an old-fashioned idea: let's start appointing qualified people to positions of power again.

Government certainly isn't the answer to all our problems. But good government -- smart government -- can be a partner for progress. It can help solve problems and accomplish things together we could never accomplish alone.

We all know that in order to meet the challenges of our day -- to lift up our middle class and hard working families; to establish universal health care, energy independence, and fiscal responsibility; to end the war in Iraq and restore our leadership around the world -- we need a government that will rise to the occasion. We need a return to transparency and a system of checks and balances, to a president who respects Congress's role of oversight and accountability. We need a 21st century government to meet our 21st century challenges.

Hillary has proposed a comprehensive, 10-point plan to restore Americans' confidence in their government by increasing transparency and cutting waste and corruption. Her plan includes:

  • Banning Cabinet officials from lobbying a Hillary Clinton administration.

  • Strengthening whistleblower protections.

  • Creating a public service academy.

  • Ending abuse of no-bid government contracts and posting all contracts online.

  • Cutting 500,000 government contractors.

  • Restoring the Office of Technology Assessment.

  • Publishing budgets for every government agency.

  • Implementing Results America Initiative to track government effectiveness.

  • Tracking and eliminating corporate welfare.

  • Expanding voting access and safeguarding voting machines.
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/reform/


Barack Obama's plan:

Shine the Light on Washington Lobbying

  • Centralize Ethics and Lobbying Information for Voters: Obama will create a centralized Internet database of lobbying reports, ethics records, and campaign finance filings in a searchable, sortable and downloadable format.

  • Require Independent Monitoring of Lobbying Laws and Ethics Rules: Obama will use the power of the presidency to fight for an independent watchdog agency to oversee the investigation of congressional ethics violations so that the public can be assured that ethics complaints will be investigated.

  • Support Campaign Finance Reform: Obama supports public financing of campaigns combined with free television and radio time as a way to reduce the influence of moneyed special interests. Obama introduced public financing legislation in the Illinois State Senate, and is the only 2008 candidate to have sponsored Senator Russ Feingold's (D-WI) tough bill to reform the presidential public financing system.

Shine the Light on Federal Contracts, Tax Breaks and Earmarks

  • Create a Public “Contracts and Influence” Database: As president, Obama will create a "contracts and influence" database that will disclose how much federal contractors spend on lobbying, and what contracts they are getting and how well they complete them.

  • Expose Special Interest Tax Breaks to Public Scrutiny: Barack Obama will ensure that any tax breaks for corporate recipients — or tax earmarks — are also publicly available on the Internet in an easily searchable format.

  • End Abuse of No-Bid Contracts: Barack Obama will end abuse of no-bid contracts by requiring that nearly all contract orders over $25,000 be competitively awarded.

  • Sunlight Before Signing: Too often bills are rushed through Congress and to the president before the public has the opportunity to review them. As president, Obama will not sign any non-emergency bill without giving the American public an opportunity to review and comment on the White House website for five days.

  • Shine Light on Earmarks and Pork Barrel Spending: Obama's Transparency and Integrity in Earmarks Act will shed light on all earmarks by disclosing the name of the legislator who asked for each earmark, along with a written justification, 72 hours before they can be approved by the full Senate.

Bring Americans Back into their Government

  • Hold 21st Century Fireside Chats: Obama will bring democracy and policy directly to the people by requiring his Cabinet officials to have periodic national broadband townhall meetings to discuss issues before their agencies.

  • Make White House Communications Public: Obama will amend executive orders to ensure that communications about regulatory policymaking between persons outside government and all White House staff are disclosed to the public.

  • Conduct Regulatory Agency Business in Public: Obama will require his appointees who lead the executive branch departments and rulemaking agencies to conduct the significant business of the agency in public, so that any citizen can see in person or watch on the Internet these debates.

  • Release Presidential Records: Obama will nullify the Bush attempts to make the timely release of presidential records more difficult.

Free the Executive Branch from Special Interest Influence

  • Close the Revolving Door on Former and Future Employers: No political appointees in an Obama administration will be permitted to work on regulations or contracts directly and substantially related to their prior employer for two years. And no political appointee will be able to lobby the executive branch after leaving government service during the remainder of the administration.

  • Free Career Officials from the Influence of Politics: Obama will issue an executive order asking all new hires at the agencies to sign a form affirming that no political appointee offered them the job solely on the basis of political affiliation or contribution.

  • Reform the Political Appointee Process: FEMA Director Michael Brown was not qualified to head the agency, and the result was a disaster for the people of the Gulf Coast. But in an Obama administration, every official will have to rise to the standard of proven excellence in the agency's mission.
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/ethics/


Which candidate has the best position on ethics reform? Which candidate has a plan most in line with the Democratic National Party?
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WHAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 05:26 PM
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1. Hillary has a plan...
Obama outlines concrete actions to implement reform.

That's the biggest difference I see on first glance...
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 05:31 PM
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2. One thing that stands out to me is Sen. Obama's position on releasing Presidential records. n/t
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 05:33 PM
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3. IN terms of Open Government, Obama is far superior in
what he wants to implement.

I pray that Hillary doesn't fenagle herself (like Bush in 2000) into the driver's seat somehow.

President McCain's proposal are way too dismal.
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Aloha Spirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 06:33 PM
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4. fedspending.gov, part of the Obama/Coburn Federal Funding and Accountability Act
showed that he is truly committed to open government.
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Aloha Spirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:00 AM
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5. knr
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:18 AM
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6. I Don't Think Hillary's Policies Are All That Terrible...
Edited on Sun Apr-27-08 09:18 AM by JimGinPA
I just don't believe she'd ever have the will to implement most of them if she were able to steal the nomination. Too many special interest ties.

K&R
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Aloha Spirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:20 AM
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7. "Too many special interest ties." Can you be more specific?
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 11:55 AM
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8. Well, she says she wants to cut 500,000 government contractors. I like that idea.
However, how many government contractors do we have? I cannot seem to find that information. We'd need to know how many contractors we have before we know how many to cut, right? This is where open government comes in, IMO.
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