Oleladylib
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Sun Apr-27-08 08:18 AM
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The Lincoln Style debate would be the best!!! YES! |
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I know you and O. claim "NO MORE" but this would be the best format yet...wish it had been thought of 20 debates ago...Absolutely, a one on one would show who knows foreign diplomacy and American economics the best...Not "wished for" but knowledge...Keep at the asking for this!
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Sun Apr-27-08 08:32 AM
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1. They should have done that months ago. |
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Edited on Sun Apr-27-08 08:32 AM by ocelot
But who would sponsor such a thing? It wouldn't give any of the bloviating TV "journalists" a chance to take center stage, which is really why the networks take on these debates.
Anyhow, at this point there's no reason for another debate, regardless of format -- 21 is more than enough. And it would be a tactical mistake for Obama to let Hillary have the free TV time, since she can't afford to buy ads any more, like he can. Winners don't debate losers. There's no advantage to it.
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Sun Apr-27-08 08:45 AM
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2. On Meet the Press they just mentioned that Huckabee wanted Lincoln/Douglas debates. |
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Just a sign of somebody who is desperately behind. They also pointed out how Clinton refused to debate her Democratic senate opponent in 2000 and 2006. It's spelled: H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E.
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Sun Apr-27-08 08:52 AM
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I can't take another minute of that smug, grotesque little woman.
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Sun Apr-27-08 08:54 AM
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4. I.E. "No Thanks. We'd Get Our Butts Whooped" |
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Sun Apr-27-08 09:39 AM
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6. No, "No thanks, we've already won this thing and don't want to give your candidate free air time". |
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Besides, Clinton won't play fair. She'll continue her sleazy attacks.
Why would Obama ever agree to that? There's absolutely no strategic reason to agree to a debate...and a ton of reasons not to.
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Sun Apr-27-08 09:52 AM
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8. I.E. "No Thanks. We'd Get Our Butts Whooped" |
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Sun Apr-27-08 10:45 AM
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11. No, "No thanks, we've already won this thing and don't want to give your candidate free air time". |
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Sun Apr-27-08 10:55 AM
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16. I.E. "No Thanks. We'd Get Our Butts Whooped" |
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Sun Apr-27-08 11:04 AM
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25. Sorry, you're not going to taunt anybody into a silly decision. |
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Obama has absolutely nothing to gain from a debate.
However, a debate would open him up to more of Clinton's smears and would give her penniless campaign free airtime.
Why would anybody in their right mind agree to a debate?
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Sun Apr-27-08 11:06 AM
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26. I.E. "No Thanks. We'd Get Our Butts Whooped" |
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Sun Apr-27-08 11:11 AM
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28. So I take it Clinton was scared of her primary opponent in 2006? |
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You know, when she ducked those debates?
God, what a chicken! :)
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Sun Apr-27-08 11:27 AM
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29. Seriously, Are You Not Aware Of How Mind Numbingly Dumb That Comparison Is? |
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If you don't, then I kinda feel for you.
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Sun Apr-27-08 11:36 AM
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30. You're kinda right, actually. |
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The comparison is kind of weak, since Obama has debated her 21 times! How many times did she debate her primary opponent?
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Sun Apr-27-08 11:43 AM
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32. If You Think The Two Situations Are Comparable, That's Pretty Sad. |
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Geez, open your mind a little. The two situations are so vastly different that you look like a complete utter fool trying to make the point your making. Seriously. It's really dumb.
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Sun Apr-27-08 12:51 PM
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33. You keep telling yourself that. |
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You're not offering any evidence to suggest your claim, just flimsy attacks.
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Sun Apr-27-08 12:55 PM
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34. Listen Drunk, Some Things Are Just Stupid On Their Face. That Comparison Is Such A Thing. |
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Makes ya look like a total fool for continuing to put it forth as if it carries with it some legitimacy. It doesn't. It's dumb.
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Sun Apr-27-08 01:01 PM
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37. Listen, Op, you're not making any point. |
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You're rambling. If you think it's stupid, back up the claim. You're not. You're suggesting it's stupid and not offering any reason to substantiate this.
And let me guess, you'll reply back telling me if I can't see it, I'm too dense, dumb and blind, right?
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Sun Apr-27-08 01:05 PM
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38. Sure I've Made The Point. And You're Being Silly. |
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You think I care about what the mentally challenged think about the point or that I'd feel the need to prove why it's stupid to them. See, I have no such desire to do such a thing. Those with even the beginnings of competent intellect already know, without explanation, EXACTLY why the comparison is just plain dumb. :hi:
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Sun Apr-27-08 01:10 PM
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I just realized you don't know what you're talking about and instead, like most who can't back up their own claims, resort to name calling and putting other posters down. That is your argument and you know you don't have any foundation to prop up your claim, so you're going to disparage and attack my intellect to hide your failing.
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Sun Apr-27-08 01:15 PM
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Sun Apr-27-08 01:21 PM
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Another non-answer from someone who clearly has nothing of substance to say.
So I'll come out and ask it.
Since you're so wise and the keeper of all that is politically important, will you tell me, a lonely simple-minded peasant, how the two are not comparable? I bow to your superior intellect and concede that I must be too blind and too dumb to grasp at what you're hinting at.
Thank you,
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Sun Apr-27-08 01:08 PM
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40. Klonopin can really help with the repetition thing.... |
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Sun Apr-27-08 10:47 AM
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Obama doesn't need the debate, Hillary does.
She wants free airtime to stand there and filibuster Obama.
No thanks, indeed. :thumbsup:
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Sun Apr-27-08 10:55 AM
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17. I.E. "No Thanks. We'd Get Our Butts Whooped" |
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Sun Apr-27-08 10:53 AM
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15. "No thanks, we'll debate serious contenders..." |
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Edited on Sun Apr-27-08 10:55 AM by cliffordu
Your trite afterthought to the nominating process isn't worthy of another debate. You know, the one that wouldn't even be here if her husband hadn't been President and further, wouldn't have been able to curry enough favor to gain her Senate seat. The one who's still around because of brand loyalty and the complete malfeasance of the press.
If her crony at ABC - you know that gnome that used to work for her hubby bushwacked me like he did O during the debate, I'd be all up in her grill about Colombia and the sniper lie and all that money from secret donors being laundered through the Library..You know -- stuff he's too classy to do.
She's TOAST:
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Sun Apr-27-08 10:55 AM
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18. I.E. "No Thanks. We'd Get Our Butts Whooped" |
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Sun Apr-27-08 11:01 AM
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Sun Apr-27-08 11:02 AM
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24. Still whistling past the graveyard, I see.... |
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Sun Apr-27-08 11:01 AM
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23. I.E. "No Thanks, See you in Denver" |
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Edited on Sun Apr-27-08 11:32 AM by Moochy
Internet Tough Guys for HRC!
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Sun Apr-27-08 09:37 AM
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5. She's grasping at last straws. What next? A Nude Bowling match? |
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Sun Apr-27-08 09:40 AM
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7. Damn you for putting that image in my head! |
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Sun Apr-27-08 10:56 AM
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19. Yep - I'm going to have to bleach my eyes again....sheeit..... |
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Sun Apr-27-08 10:41 AM
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9. I doubt if most Americans would sit through a true debate |
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in the style of the Lincoln-Douglas debates. No questions from reporters--and hours on each topic. If you've ever watched a re-enactment of a debate or a speech of the time (I saw the Cooper Union Speech re-enacted a couple years back), you'll realize that the way they constructed their arguments back then takes a lot more time than what they do now. No sound bites--but a lot of intricate prose and logic woven together. When you realize that the Lincoln-Douglas debates took place outdoors with the audience standing the whole time, you have to marvel at the patience and stamina of our forefathers.
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Sun Apr-27-08 10:59 AM
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20. Yep -and he would grind her to dust. That kind of debate, where |
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there's a "lot of intricate prose and logic woven together" is MADE for him. It's kind of the way he speaks -
She's more of a sound bite kind of beer drinking gal.
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Sun Apr-27-08 12:59 PM
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36. My Lord ...by the time he got an answer out the TV audience would be asleep. |
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Sun Apr-27-08 11:10 AM
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27. Indeed. And what media would air it? Definitely not sound-bitey enough |
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IIRC, their debates were 2.5 hours long. One spoke for an hour, then the other spoke for an hour, then the first speaker got 30 minutes to sum up. The next debate they switched who went first.
I'm trying to imagine modern day Americans sitting still for all that... Nope, don't see it.
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Sun Apr-27-08 12:57 PM
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35. I can't even imagine the average american sitting through it |
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Sun Apr-27-08 02:02 PM
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48. My ancestors walked to listen to Lincoln speak |
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There are still stories of how my great great grandfather, a blacksmith and his family would ride and walk into the county seat in Central Illinois and listen to Lincoln's speeches.
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Sun Apr-27-08 02:00 PM
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47. and when you realize the people in the audience STOOD |
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to hear the debates, and that many walked several miles to get there....a different breed of folks back then. Most didn't have the education that we have today, either, but I do believe they valued education more. It meant something to be able to write a proper sentence or to follow a logical argument. Perhaps it was because of lack of books and schools that these folks really listened to speeches and honed their arguments over issues--this was the only way many learned. Lincoln himself had about six months of formal schooling, and his story was not the exception, but rather the rule in those times, I think.
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Sun Apr-27-08 10:50 AM
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13. They've already has 21 debates, what are you hoping to learn that you don't already know? n/t |
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Sun Apr-27-08 10:52 AM
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14. I dont think Hillary is brave enough to rock the Top Hat and Chin Beard Look |
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Sun Apr-27-08 11:43 AM
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31. Lincoln: A house divided against itself cannot stand. |
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Translation: Drop out Hillary, and help Obama and the Democrats win in November.
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Sun Apr-27-08 01:07 PM
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39. I am worried such a debate could blow up and really damage both candidates and our chances |
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this year. Someone much get mad and go off. It could be a disaster for us.
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Sun Apr-27-08 01:11 PM
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42. I would like to see such a debate between Dems and Republicans but not two Dems. nt |
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Sun Apr-27-08 01:17 PM
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44. I Can See Where You're Coming From With That. |
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I'd agree it would be better in the GE between the Dem and repub.
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Most of the people who've already voted wouldn't watch it. It's gotten mindless and boring. And it wastes time for both of them going into their final primaries. I want a decisive decision in NC and Indiana. I want this thing over with so we can start pummeling McSame.
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Neither candidate could skirt the issues.
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Sun Apr-27-08 06:48 PM
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51. They should be paying Hillary |
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...for the schooling she has been giving Obama.
He still has more he can learn. Not to take the opportunity looks like backing down to me. He needs all the help he can get if he is to face McCain and the GOP machine.
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