Dr. Wright gives a smackdown against division carried live by CNN LIVE ON CNN NOW*****

[grantcart]

DR. Rev. Wright gave a lengthy address that was carried without break by CNN and FOX. It was to the Detroit Branch of the NAACP.


The theme was that difference does not mean deficient.

Some of the expression of the themese

a) Pedagogical differences - The difference between objective and subjective pedagogies that are typica between Europoean based and African based learning. Objective pedagogies are learning from identifying objects, symbols and books while African (and other cultures) from subjective experiences.

b) Musical Differences

c) Linguistic Differences

d) Historical Differences.

e) Hermeneutical Differences (Interpretattions of Sacred Scripture)

f) Homiletical Differences (Style of Worship)


Most of his points were based citing standard academic references many going back decades.

Parts of the explanations were illustrated by colorful mimicing of accents or singing styles or even dance steps of marching bands.


It was an impassioned thoughtful and clever attack on division and a remarkable speech explaining that reactions to idiocincracies between people that cause people to look down on other people.


His line that was repeated through out the speech was that "difference is not deficient" and that "change is about to happen".


It also included a tough part that criticized the Black Community about how it treats itself.

It included a litany of examples including how straights treated gay and how Christians treat Jews.

(It also included a very careful jab at Bill O'Reilly)


This is provided as a quick summary for people that missed the speech.


I recommend you to see the whole speech and not the excerpts.


If anybody has any additional notes to the speech that they got while he was giving it please add on below

[JerseygirlCT]

1. Thank you. I only caught the last few minutes, but it was

electrifying!

[sampsonblk]

60. Being replayed now.-nt

[Blue State Bandit]

132. It was spellbinding, I was in awe, when I wasn't ROFLMAO!

Sure some will try to pick this apart and snipe at the Obama campaign with the pieces. But the fact that it was aired in it's entirety, live, bodes well for how this speech will play out.

Combined with Obama's Fox interview, I think this was a great day for camp Obama.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5702369&mesg_id=5702369

GoBama!

[LakeSamish706]

2. I watched most of it... I was surprised to learn that Solodaid O'brien...

was a friend of Rev. Wright and also Roland Martin... hmmm Very interesting.

[ErinBerin84]

7. Does anyone know the name of

the African American woman with the short hair cut who anchors MSNBC in the afternoons (I never know the names of the people who do MSNBC during the day, except maybe Contessa, since it's an unusual name). I remember when the "controversy" over Wright first arose and pundits were on to comment, she said that she used to live in Chicago and had gone to Trinity to see Wright preach several times, and it was nothing like the sound bytes suggested.

[grantcart]

12. Soledad Obrien?

[LakeSamish706]

20. Nope, thats not Soledad...n/t

[ErinBerin84]

22. no, someone else.

She has shorter hair. I think her name will come to me.

[boston bean]

42. Frederika Whitfield?

[southern_belle]

44. Soledad is with CNN eom

[Tribetime]

26. Tamron Hall

[ErinBerin84]

47. Yes!

Tamron Hall! Thanks!

[AquarianRealm62]

43. I think its Tamyrn Hill or Henry. Pretty lady

[grantcart]

46. thanks and welcome to DU

[AquarianRealm62]

51. Thank you Grant!!!

[goclark]

127. Hi grantcart ~ Rev. Wright hit it out of the ball park!

[pattmarty]

152. She used to be w/Fox in Chgo her name is Tamaron Hall ( I think) and ....

.....she's intelligent and hot.

[Tribetime]

8. Solodaid, who use to be on F##, did hell freeze

[Hieronymus]

17. She covers a lot of racial stuff, and she is of mixed race herself.

[SoCalDem]

19. They are media hangers-on for the event

he was just letting us all know that HE was aware that CNN/MSNBC etc were in the audience and recording every word.. he put them on notihat the plane would leave without them if they were late :)ce t

[wolfgirl]

3. Dr. Wright's speech

was quite interesting. His focus was Change, but he expressed how we must change how we treat each other and understand that our differences don't make us less.

To hear Mr. Rick Sanchez/CNN, however, you would have thought Rev. Wright was all hellfire & brimstone.

What an idiot!

[grantcart]

6. I think that is because they were expecting some timid apologetic speech

and Wright came out blazing

[DangerousRhythm]

98. That news guy said Wright should have been contrite...

The nerve!

[snappyturtle]

176. After Wright's speech to the Press Club this morning, Andrea Mitchell

did her best to spin it. She is gagging me. I'd like to ask her if her "family" hasn't all ready done enough damage. How is ol' Allan these days Andrea?

I though Wright was right on!

[nvme]

168. Ugh Sanchez

just the mention of his name makes me cringe. He was an idiot when he was an anchor in Miami at a faux news affiliate in miami. that was the same one that weather dude got caught soliciting sex from young boys. Sanchez left Miami in a cloud of scandal. I know its off topic but that idiot stirs up quite a bit of anger everytime i see him on CNN.

[futureliveshere]

4. Thanks.. I haven't seen it and would love too.. Link anyone?

K&R

[BlueIdaho]

5. If this wasn't the silly season

Every last soul on DU would be cheering this man on.

[Tatiana]

11. I am cheering him on!!! n/t

[clydefrand]

29. Silly season or not...I watched and I liked his speech

very much. I'd love to go to his church to hear him. I would even start going regularly if he were near me. It's a little far from VA to go there on Sunday mornings. :-)

This is from a liberal, old white woman. I didn't think Sanchez was nearly as bad in his comments afterwards as Geraldo was on Fox. He tried to say that the reverend advocated a different standard of education for black children than for all others. I didn't hear that. I heard that we need to teach children different METHODS of learning based on their backgrounds. AND I, as a retired teacher of 32 years, know that in the area where I was teaching, we were doing that 40 years ago. Geraldo knew nothing about right brain and left brain activities yet he took it upon himself to try to analyze what Rev. Wright was saying and of course he was doing it all wrong.

Now we can get Mr. Hannity's take on all of this. I'll bet he didn't hear it like I did either. He always has to make something sinister out of everything.

[grantcart]

9. This is going to put evangelical pastors in a spot there is nothing

in the speech that is different from what they are preaching.

Also in a very clever way it supports conservative Christians in how they get painted by the mainstream media.


Pentacostals for example will welcome the speech completely and the defence against mainline protestant churches.

[bigbrother05]

10. Grantcart, I missed it

Thanks for your summary
If anyone else going to broadcast, please add link

[grantcart]

14. CNN is going to milk this for the next few days

This is going to give the responsible part of the MSM the hook they needed to get away from bashing Wright.


It was endearing and clever. Just when you thought he was going to jump off the cliff and make a fool out of himself

he is talking in a brilliant British accent and making a sublime point.

[grantcart]

23. On CNN now

[ashling]

13. It was a really great speech

He is a brilliant speaker and a very intellegent man :thumbsup:

[patrice]

15. Will there be a YouTube of it?

I'll go look now.

[grantcart]

24. on CNN now

[patrice]

25. Got it. Thanks! nt

[grantcart]

16. CNN announces that replay the entire introduction and speech now

[madfloridian]

18. We loved every minute. Poor Rick Sanchez, not smart enough to have words.

Wright is a brilliant speaker.

Good for him for keeping on.

[TheDoorbellRang]

21. I liked the part near the end

To paraphrase, it was something like,
"If I were in a church, I would say a prayer to Jesus.
"If I were in a synagogue, I would say a prayer to {Hebrew word for God}
"If I were in a mosque, I would beseech {Arabic word for God}
"And if I were supporting a political candidate, I would say "Yes We Can."

(Sorry about my poor paraphrasing skills.)

Amazing that the whole speech was played in full.Rev. Wright is one awesome, intelligent man.

[grantcart]

31. yes - intelligent and well educated and actually very conforming

there was nothing in the speech that is outside of the mainstream of academic research that he cited.

[cottonseed]

27. His introduction was great!

[AquarianRealm62]

49. That's what you get in a lot of Baptist Black Churches on Sunday ..no matter the subject..lol

[boston bean]

28. he mimicked JFK most famous line in a mocking way. nt

[GarbagemanLB]

30. You would try to find any remote source of controversy in a brilliant speech.

[boston bean]

32. I found it offensive and I found his dissing of Irish people distasteful not funny. nt

[GarbagemanLB]

34. For the intelligent watching, it was obvious he was referring to the last name...OREILLY.

[grantcart]

37. ignore is a wonderful thing lol

I have no idea who came in here to crap on this thread

[Alii]

There are some lacking...

even a modicum of gray matter betwixt the ears, e.g., ignore and they just might go poof.

[JoFerret]

178. Obviously.

.

[AquarianRealm62]

45. If he talked about Mickey Mouse or Mighty Mouse, you'd probably be offended.

[JerseygirlCT]

58. You didn't get that at all, did you?

He wasn't mocking Irish people. He was talking about *our* experience as the different ones, the ones suffering from discrimination, the ones on the outside. Now we're no longer there... and are we closing the doors or welcoming others in?

I think you're looking for reasons to be insulted. Because that's easier than hearing the message.

[TahitiNut]

74. Of course you did. After all, he's a scary black man, sweetie. It's understandable.

:puke:

[cliffordu]

99. That's exactly right, TahitiNut - And

there are people too, who are WILLFULLY ignorant -

Like mistaking Wright's comment about O'reilly -

I'll bet it's a meme by the news tomorrow morning - "Wright hates the Irish"

Some folks just don't get it.

[JoFerret]

180. Remind me

What was there to get now?

[JoFerret]

179. Soooo scary

So scary Obama has had to say he does not exist. Or something.

(I liked him...kind of.)

[Name removed]

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[EmperorHasNoClothes]

153. As usual, assDemm, you missed the whole point.

[JoFerret]

181. And the whole point was

so good Obama had to denounce, trounce, renounce and announce whatever it.

[annabanana]

172. That's stupid. Kennedy didn't have an Irish accent....n/t

[TheWarIzaLie]

175. Why so BITTER?

I too am VERY Irish and I took no offense.

[madrchsod]

33. what ever you say....

[Forkboy]

146. I have come to the conclusion that you're just not very bright.

[BlooInBloo]

35. I'm converted by his introduction.

[Tatiana]

36. The man is testifying! I had to go get my hankie! n/t

[grantcart]

40. well now I know how he grew his Church and raised the money

I thought they were going to pass the basket there for a minute.

[TahitiNut]

109. Even for this pasty white boy, he'd make Sunday morning worth getting up for.

It's sooooo tiresome to listen to preachers who're the Sunday version of Dr. Laura ... codependent and dysfunctional. Reverend Wright makes his case ... and gets the blood moving. Love it.

[grantcart]

38. I would be very curious how this is going to be received in North Carolina

amongst both Black and White Christians.

[pinto]

39. Astute, clever, passionate, well documented and enjoyable speech, imho.

Though I am leery of the blurring of political lines between church and state, he deftly addressed the oft cited connections to Sen. Obama and at the outset said his talk wasn't political. While he made some clear political references, I think he held a line fairly well.

I really liked his music tempo examples of people having a different framework - "different not deficient" was his theme - and his willingness to mimic those styles in the course of his speech.

And he made some pretty pointed comments about how we see and treat people who are different than ourselves.

I'm pretty unfamiliar with African American preachers, save for the most well known. He seemed a blend of professor and preacher in this delivery. I really liked it.

[grantcart]

41. agreed and most of all courageous

not slinking away and crawling in a hole but standing up, straight and proud. Very well done.

[grantcart]

48. He starts out by smacking down some local Detroit officials who criticized his appearence

That's going to leave a mark.

Those guys are going to be sorry for that tomorrow.


"I don't divide I describe".

[akbacchus_BC]

50. Grant, you are such a wonderful voice of reason and I always read ...

your posts. Somehow, am scared but when I read your posts I feel better. Please reassure me that Obama is going to be the nominee!

[grantcart]

54. relax over by Oregon

[grantcart]

52. Deficient - list of those who have seen others as deficient

Christian saw Jew

Catholic saw Protestant

Classical music lovers saw blues lovers as deficient

Sacred music lovers saw gospel lovers as deficient

[Tatiana]

57. I thought he was gonna bust out with an aria! n/t

[grantcart]

53. lol Reverend Wright brings CNN to a standstill lol

[akbacchus_BC]

55. I wish I could be as confident as you, but am following your lead....n't

[Alii]

56. A brilliant speech...

delivered by a brilliant intellect. And no, I am not _____.

Only the very ignorant closed-minded people could not see many basic truths in his message.

The explanation of linguistics was spot on. Though some might take offense it was accurate...and very humorous. I would suspect that even the Kennedy's found it humorous.

I shall now await snippets of the speech presented by the bigoted MSM to prove that he is a "whackadoodle." And yes, the undedicated will snarf it up. Hopefully a minority...Hillary's uneducated demographic.

One of these days...

Please people, educate thy-selves.

In general, though maybe not FOX's intent, I think that Barack Obama had a fairly good day...so far.

[grantcart]

61. I think that it will work the other way

I think there is pent up guilt in the MSM about how this has gotten blown out of proportion and how they picked on the guy.

My prediciton is that they will be falling over themselves to pick the best lines of this to show how 'normal and reasonable' he is.

[Alii]

106. I sincerely HOPE that you're correct.

This was like one of those very rare movies that you can't wait to watch again...I shall.

I'm an old cynic, seldom extremely impressed...was.

[Cassandra]

85. Loved the way he made some fun...

of Larchmont lockjaw. Really wonderful speech.

[sampsonblk]

59. Rev Wright defends the black church masterfully

Excellent speech. And he was absolutely right. (Great introduction also.)

[akbacchus_BC]

64. I agree with you but somehow it is not good enough.... the clintons

will still use that against Obama!

[sampsonblk]

66. Of course. That's what type of people they are.-nt

[malaise]

62. Rev Wright was freaking brilliant

The establishment should have left him alone. 40 years after they killed MLK a new leader has emerged.
They woke up a quiet sleeping giant who has paid his fugging dues over and over.

Sp.

[grantcart]

65. He is very smart he not only uses mainstream academic research

he uses it correctly.

I recognized a few of the books that he referred to (Pedagogy of the Oppressed for example) and he was entirely on point.

[EFerrari]

69. Yes, he is. They broke into the wrong rec room!

:toast:

[rainy]

155. That's the way I see it. I'd like to see him as the next Rev. King. He is very

intelligent and funny.

[my2sense]

163. Totally Agree

If he were in my area I would join his church today. We may finally have a New Black Leader.

[JoFerret]

173. Wright is no MLK

However - that is not to say anything negative.

[Cali_Democrat]

63. Excellent speech by an accomplished man

[chill_wind]

72. Two Phd's, speaks 5 languages, as pointed out by Soledad Obrien=

just a couple facts totally eclipsed by the previous media hype/hatefest before tonite.

[grantcart]

67. He also good a million dollar plug in for his book lol

[EFerrari]

68. Good! I want one!

LOL!

[dchill]

70. Thanks, gc - would have missed it.

[grantcart]

76. nobody is going to miss it now

CNN is going full bore on Wright


he brought CNN to a standstill lol

[EFerrari]

71. He's singing my song right now. "Those children learn from a subject

not from an object."

lol

[SeattleGirl]

73. I love it that he's pointing out that children learn in different ways.

And yet children have usually been forced into a one-size-fits-all learning environment.

More's the pity, because how many children of all colors and cultures get left out when only one way of learning is presented to them?

[grantcart]

75. and he is referring to rock hard research that is 40 years old

Change is coming maybe we will get a president that understands what the word 'pedagogy' means.

[EFerrari]

77. I remember the book you ref'd up thread. My mom went back to school

and we read it together.

LOL! He's running down the Boston articulation. lol

[grantcart]

79. He does a killer British accent lol

[SeattleGirl]

81. I love the whole musical thing he does.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[EFerrari]

83. LOL! He's terrific!

:rofl:

[Alii]

120. What we are in dire need of is...

"Critical Pedagogy"

When students would ask me what a particular word meant I would tell them to use the dictionary, you'll learn more that way. Besides, it saved face in case I didn't know the answer.

There's a message there somewhere...Google "critical pedagogy."

[JoFerret]

182. What research is that then?

.

[KittyWampus]

80. how can I tell what kind of child I am (subject/object oriented)?

???

Are there basic tendencies that tell?

[grantcart]

82. we are both

you can get a lecture about music and then go to the piano and will you be able to play it?


there is a lot that we learn as a subjective muscular experience.

Math for example should be taught not as a concept in the begining but as an exercise. Later you teach the concepts. Kuson math centers teach this method and as a result any child will learn at twice the rate they normally do. After the foundation is established then the concepts can be taught.

Playing the piano right brain, learning math theory left brain.

[ClayZ]

145. I am in tune now, too!

He is amazing.


K and R

[chill_wind]

78. Quote of the night-- "Barack HUSSEIN Obama. Barack HUSSEIN Obama--

Please tell my stuck on stupid friends that Arabic is a LANGUAGE, not a RELIGION."

Well, one of the greatest quotes, anyway. I laughed and cheered.

[grantcart]

84. hes pretty good with accents lol

[Kittycat]

86. "please tell my stuck on stupid friends..."

:rofl:

...that arabic is a language, not a religion

[EFerrari]

88. "But this isn't a partisan forum --"

:rofl:

[Swamp Rat]

87. AMEN!!

I'm clappin' on 2 and 4! :applause:

[grantcart]

92. I am one of those guys that have to watch other people clap

and I am not joking lol no fucking left or right brain lol

[Swamp Rat]

95. You don't need to use your brain.

It's all in the hips. :D



Just watch us, then imitate. :D

[EFerrari]

133. If I think about it, I can't clap at all.

lol

[kid a]

89. good for Soladad!

[Swamp Rat]

97. Rick Sanchez es un pendejo

Alguien tenia que decirlo. :D

[panAmerican]

142. Tienes razon; asi es

[Tatiana]

143. Es un pinche pendejo. n/t

[EFerrari]

91. Clinton hack on now calling Wright self serving.

Go, shill! Out yourself.

[grantcart]

93. how pitiful does it now look to have her dump on Reverend Wright

[EFerrari]

96. This is going to be interesting. I don't think we've ever been here before.

:)

[TahitiNut]

112. Cheri Jacobus is a neocon apologist. Detestable creature.

She trots out the "adjunct faculty" bullshit ... with a Bachelor of Science degree in Journalism from West Virginia University.

Hell, *I'VE* been an "adjunct faculty" member. Big freaking deal.

Isn't it remarkable that her posture on Wright is indistinguishable from the Hillbots??? Hint. Hint. Hint.

[EFerrari]

115. She had to trot out her grad school assignment because she's intimidated.

That was pretty funny. :)

[Coexist]

94. did Sherri Jacobus just say, essentially, the Rev. Wright should have

kept his head down and his mouth shut?

That pisses me off.

[DangerousRhythm]

100. Yes, she did...

These people are pissing me off!

[grantcart]

101. don't worry if they try and pick on him there will be a reaction

[Kber]

121. Politically speaking, she's got an arguable point. (maybe_.

Morally and ethically speaking, she's 180 degrees wrong.

Wright's a minister. He's be letting his ultimate boss down if he let them kick him without comment just to score political points.

Evil is what happens when good people keep silent and Wright has a God bound duty to speak out against the injustice done to him. It's in his job description.

The question is can Clinton or her team see the world through any other lens besides politics?

[Political Heretic]

102. They "fucked with the wrong marine." :)

[Aloha Spirit]

103. Oh man. You said it.

[grantcart]

107. yeah those pussies like Bill O really fucked up

[RichardRay]

104. PLEASE - for those of us out here in the hinterlands with no TV...

please post a link to the full speech as soon as it's available online anyplace!!!

[grantcart]

105. it won't be long it will be the most viewed speech in the history of youtube

In a different way it was better than Obama's.

[Alii]

114. Agree...

Barack Obama is a great speechmaker...but, he could've picked up a little more spark and passion from "his pastor"...particularly one-on-one. I know, the argument is that he's always cool; but un-cool is cool sometimes.

[grantcart]

116. I think he does it on purpose so that people don't see him as the angry black man

He can be gritty and have fire when he needs it.

[thereismore]

154. I 2nd that. nt

[EFerrari]

135. We're likely to see more range when he's running only against McCain.

[Coexist]

108. now that I'm not infuriated by that idiot Republican anymore, I have something to say

about that speech.

It made me feel good. It made me want to be one of those people that he kept referring to in his great speech.

I want to be one of the people working hard to see and appreciate the differences in people, one of the people working hard to see that different does not mean deficient. That we can all understand each other if we try.

I want so bad to be one of those people, and I want everyone I know to work to be one of those people. Can you imagine that world.

[grantcart]

110. thats how all Americans want to feel when they aren't infuriated by an idiot Republican

[Aloha Spirit]

126. I really want to meet the person who is so cynical or paralyzed that they don't want to be one of

those people.

[gtar100]

151. Sounds like you already are.

:)

[cottonseed]

111. I'm glad at least one of our Dem candidates defended this man.

Because, as we all know, Democrats stand for truth and find silly sound bites and character assassination absolutely disgusting.

[grantcart]

113. It makes Obama look courageous and loyal

it makes his detractors look small and petty.

[Scurrilous]

117. K & R

:thumbsup:

[smalll]

118. Thanks for your summary. I want to see a transcript. Parts of it sound like pernicious nonsense.

Particularly, this part: (from your summary) -

"Pedagogical differences - The difference between objective and subjective pedagogies that are typica between Europoean based and African based learning. Objective pedagogies are learning from identifying objects, symbols and books while African (and other cultures) from subjective experiences."

[grantcart]

119. You will find numerous academic references in it including from Freire's famous book

Pedagogy of the Opressed. You may find it nonsense but it has substantial academic backing and is not considered out of the mainstream on the subject.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedagogy_of_the_Oppressed

[Alii]

128. What we are in dire need of is...

"Critical Pedagogy"

When students would ask me what a particular word meant I would tell them to use the dictionary, you'll learn more that way. Besides, it saved face in case I didn't know the answer.

There's a message there somewhere...Google "critical pedagogy."

(Posted this in wrong spot, e.g., copied and pasted here...sorry)

[grantcart]

134. thanks

[EFerrari]

124. He was simply talking about culturally transmitted learning styles.

There's nothing pernicious about that.

[Duke Newcombe]

122. Question: How do you think it played...

...to a non-progressive, non DUer type person?

Duke

[EFerrari]

125. I don't think freepers watched. It might make them explode. n/t

[Duke Newcombe]

129. So. People are either DUer/Progressives or Freepers?

I don't know how helpful that may be to us.

I was actually trying to "reality check" my own perceptions of how a regular, middle of the road person who was trying to make sense of this whole "Wright" thing would walk away from the interview. What their take would be.

Duke

[EFerrari]

130. It is hard to say. My guess is that most of the people you're talking about

don't have the inclination to spend so much time listening to this speech. They will hear the bs media evaluations. And, they will wonder why so many people are making such a big fuss over something Obama's ex-pastor has to say.

They are caring about their mortgage, their grocery bill and gas prices and if they can afford to take any kind of vacation this year. That's my take, anyway.

/oops

[NJSecularist]

123. Smackdown against division?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

He just insulted everybody under the sun during that speech.

[grantcart]

131. you really are incapacitated above the shoulders

Every conservative religious group that has been put down because they are different - Pentacostals, Evangelicals, Protestants and conservative Catholics will see immediately that he has used theological arguments not only to defend the ignorant attacks on the African American Church but also all of them.


Tomorrow you are going to see a wide number of very conservative religious leaders endorse this speech - headed by Governor Huckabee.

Committment to secularism is not a defense of ignorance of the faith based communitites. If you don't understand the religious sensitivities that various groups in America face then it would probably be best to refrain from making statements of such overwhelming ignorance.

[Aloha Spirit]

136. unipalegic?

[grantcart]

141. ok I'll bite what is unipalegic?

[Aloha Spirit]

144. uniplegic--paralysis of one limb due to injury.

(insensitive joke)

[Alii]

137. And,

hopefully the Pope.

[Aloha Spirit]

139. I have a great deal of hope that early childhood education will help to endanger

overwhelming ignorance.

[Texas Hill Country]

150. and the implications of his speech CALL for division. AA's learn different = need segregated school

[IndependentDem]

162. are you out of your mind?

Did you even listen to what he said?

[Lisa0825]

138. I definitely learned some new things tonight.

I admit that when I first heard the string of sound bytes from Wright last month, I was absolutely cringing, and thinking about how Obama would weather this storm. It was all I knew of Wright at the time. I felt Obama's speech on race was excellent and addressed a lot of important points.

But now, I feel like even more blanks were filled in for me. I had never listened to an entire speech by Wright. I hadn't experienced the depth of his skill or the way he weaves a narrative across so many fields of knowledge. It was a masterful speech, and assuming this level of talent has been his hallmark throughout his career, then I can completely understand how he became a leader of such a large congregation.

In light of this additional understanding, I find it sad that so many people will likely ignore or refuse to listen to anything else by Wright, based on initial impressions from a loop of his "lowlights." anyone who dismisses this man lightly is missing out on opportunities for greater understanding, and that is truly their own loss.

[EFerrari]

140. He not only led that congregation, he built it.

Truly a force of nature. The corporate media picked on the wronnnnnnnnnnnnngggggggggg person. lol

[Forkboy]

147. Your last paragraph is spot on.

The people who don't get him by now are either truly stupid or political tools with the morals of a weasel on crack.

[bdamomma]

148. oh jeez, I missed it.

so someone sum it up for me, does his speech shut up the media now.

[Texas Hill Country]

149. ummm.. it was racist and his assertions were based on outdated studies on biological differences

between the races.

It would have been one thing to say that it was black culture that encouraged object oriented learning, and quite another to say that it was genetics.

It would have been on thing to say that culture dictated musical preference rather than genetic.

It would have been one thing to say that hermaneutics were culturally based rather than genetic.


BUT he did not. He relegated them to the color of the skin, to genetic heritage, which is total and complete BULLSHIT... modern studies of FMRI and brain patterns PROVE that there is no difference in the functioning of AA brains and European brains.

This friggin idiot was quoting studies from 80 to 150 years ago!!!!!!!!!!

In the field of cognitive science, 5 years is old, 10 is ancient... and he was going back 80 years!!!!!!!

[raystorm7]

157. lol...If you say so *rolls eyes*

[grantcart]

159. At no point was he saying that it was genetic,

the point was different cultures develop different pedagogies. He specifically spoke of how babies are taught differently from the

time in the crib. He never mentioned genetics. All of the academic sources he cited all speak to different pedagogical reflexes

based on cultural traditions and child rearing, and are considered fairly conventional. He cited no academic source for a genetic

understanding of different learning paradigms.

[Klukie]

156. I Love Rev. Wright....

he is a brilliant man who speaks truth so powerfully that many cannot stand to hear it. As a 34year old white woman, I have absolutely no problem apologizing to black americans for slavery and all that it has caused them to endure. I am truly sorry.

[mcollier]

158. Times have changed considerable

Barack Obama's campaign has provided clear proof of that. I prefer to listen to Barack Obama's message of unity and growth as a nation than listening to Rev Wright or the Media discuss the past.

[jpertello]

160. After careful consideration

I must take issue with the theory that black children and white children learn differently. The environment in which a child is reared will be either more aural and verbal or more academic in nature to varying degrees. In many families children are read to and encouraged to read at a very early age. In other families they are not. And this would be in the same economic and racial framework. Middle class white children in a suburban environment can also have vastly different learning styles based upon what sort of parenting there is in their formative learning years.

In my experience, the more affluent communities are likely to have parents who are more academic minded and encourage books and reading in the home. These children are more likely to be encouraged to pursue college educations (especially at ivy league colleges). Reverend Wright does a tremendous disservice to black children by suggesting that they are "aural" learners who can't sit still in a classroom. He himself is a college graduate, as are Michelle and Barack Obama, and tens of thousands of other Black Americans. Surely these people learned in the traditional "white" way?

[grantcart]

165. Well to begin with Barack was raised in a total 'European' environment

The Pedagogical issue was only one of the areas that Rev. Wright was using to illustrate a larger point and that is that 'different is not deficient'.

The speech was not meant as a major address on pedagogy but as an illustration that rather than condemning people who appear different it would be better to understand them. He also used music, linguistics, hermenuetics and homelitics as other examples.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

161. he's digging Obama campaign's grave

when digging yourself into a ditch, keep on digging. That is what Wright is doing.

[katty]

164. Agree - no matter how candid, assist Obama-&stop grandstanding

him up

[grantcart]

166. The reality is that Obama is going to get the nomination and then face McCain

in the GE. It is a distraction but better we drive it into the ground now and get it out of the way.

BTW Obama is actually going to be running against somebody. McCain's seeking the endorsement of politically reactionary ministers is a much bigger problem than Jeremy Wright.



Obama will get the nomination and he will win the GE. Better these distractions are dealt with now.

[katty]

169. hope your assessement is correct-america has put up with

so many reactionary, whacked out, "white" preacher bigots - they get one sound bite of uproar from the presstitutes and then gone....everyone just laughs them off as crazies.

[EFerrari]

167. Not at all. He's done very well. He's made himself human

to the public, he's distanced himself from the campaign and he's made the media look like the idiots everyone knows they are. Very efficient.

[Scurrilous]

170. Kick

:kick:

[annabanana]

171. CNN & MSNBC are already sound-biting this speech into

"this couldn't have happened at a worse time for the Obama campaign"


disgusting

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

174. the media is not our friend, never has been its STUPID to give them ammo

but it helps someone's book sales, and validates someone's ego, and thats all that matters.

4 more years of war, so that someone can show how right they are to the
media.

Only the most idiotic would think that giving the media hours of soundbites to hash
through is going to help.

The Moyers interview was ok, the MEDIA BLITZ was not.

[JoFerret]

177. Great smack down.

But of whom?