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Popol Vuh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:32 PM
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Hillary is good at debating, but what else is she good at?
Being a skilled debater (especially with gottcha politics) can be useful. However, if that's the only tool in her tool shed, she will be totally inadequate as a President.

Another thing. People want change not another habitual liar, or another war monger, or another anti-labor corporatist.


Hasta Luego Clinton, time for you pack it up and go home. People want change and that's not you.



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YDogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:33 PM
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1. fiscal management?
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Popol Vuh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:34 PM
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3. Isn't she broke?
;)
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:37 PM
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10. OMG. Fiscal Management!! Really?!! She can't even manage couple hundred million dollar campaign
without going into $15 M debt.

No, Thank you.
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YDogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:42 PM
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17. LOL
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:33 PM
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2. She's good at wasting money...$400 million for the Presidential Helicopter YIKES.
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:34 PM
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4. She doesn't debate. She doesn't compare ideas. She filibusters, and makes snide, unfounded attacks
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:35 PM
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7. Bush-esque?
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Nitrogenica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:34 PM
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5. Good at debating using false arguments and accusations is not what I'm looking for in a candidate.
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TheDoorbellRang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:35 PM
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6. She's good at fighting. She just never wins any fights
We'd have lots of drama with her in the White House, that's for sure. What a treat for Americans watching the drama unfold for years and years.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:35 PM
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8. Insulting and otherwise pissing off foreign leaders?
:shrug:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:36 PM
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9. Good at debating?
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CatsDogsBabies Donating Member (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:39 PM
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11. "I say a lot of things -- millions of words a day ...
-- so if I misspoke, that was just a misstatement,"(HRC) Words mean nothing - whether true or a lie is just a random occurrence.
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:41 PM
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12. She gets stuff done!
Us bitches always do!!

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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:29 PM
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25. Then why doesn't she pay her damn bills?
If you can't manage to pay your bills, your word is not your bond.

If you can't pay your bills, your surname has no worth.

If you can't pay your Bills, you are unorganized and not trust worthy.

If you can pay your bills, you don't deserve to be in charge of our hard earned cash!

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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 06:00 AM
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29. Ridiculous propositions....
all of them.

I know many trustworthy people who get behind on their "bills." Hell, hundreds of thousands are in foreclosure right now.

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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:41 PM
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13. Confabulating
a real expert embellisher she is
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:41 PM
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14. She's an excellent liar
well maybe not so good as she's continually caught at it.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:41 PM
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15. Didn't work for Kerry
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:42 PM
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16. She's an AWESOME spinner, morpher, and truth-stretcher.
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Mick426 Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:42 PM
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18. Hillary is a very shoddy politico. Ran on Bill's coattails.
Sad really.
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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:45 PM
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19. She is a loving, intelligent, and wonderful person.
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:48 PM
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20. taking credit? nt
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candice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 09:55 PM
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21. She can't match Obama for out and out lying...
He told us on TV that he had an indirect 4-year-relationship with Rezko while working at a law firm.

The Rezko trial will educate a few people as to how Chicago politics are played. There isn’t much more than lining one’s own pockets involved. No idealism, which the Clintons miraculously still have. Chicago-style influence peddling shows no concern for the people who are really paying the bill.
Shiver in your slum without heat during a Chicago winter because Rezmar (Rezko’s company) can’t afford to pay the utility bill. Meanwhile your state representative receives a donation from Rezko for his next campaign. Rezko is betting on him, not you.
“Tony Rezko’s company got more than $100 million in loans to renovate Chicago apartment buildings for poor people.”

Doesn't take "one dime" of lobbyists' monies (said repeatedly). Ralph Nadar's "Public Citizen" begs to differ.

Claims to have the same experience as JFK or Abe Lincoln.

A Princeton history professor begs to differ.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-wilentz26jan26,0,5561702.story

These comparisons distort the past beyond recognition. By the time he ran for president, JFK had served three terms in the House and twice won election to the Senate, where he was an active member of the Foreign Relations Committee. In total, he had held elective office in Washington for 14 years. Before that, he was, of course, a decorated veteran of World War II, having fought with valor in the South Pacific. Kennedy, the son of a U.S. ambassador to Britain, had closely studied foreign affairs, which led to his first book, “Why England Slept,” as well as to a postwar stint in journalism.
This record is not comparable to Obama’s eight years in the Illinois Legislature, his work as a community organizer and his single election to the Senate in 2004 — an election he won against a late entrant, right-wing Republican Alan Keyes, in a state where the GOP was in severe disarray.
The Lincoln comparison is equally tortured. Yes, Lincoln spent only two years in the House after winning election in 1846. Yet his deep involvement in state and national politics began in 1832, the same year he was elected a captain in the Illinois militia — and 28 years before he ran for president. He then served as leader of the Illinois Whig Party and served his far-from-undistinguished term in Congress courageously leading opposition to the Mexican War.
After returning home, he became one of the leading railroad lawyers in the country, emerged as an outspoken antislavery leader of Illinois’ Republican Party — and then, in 1858, ran unsuccessfully for the Senate and engaged with Stephen A. Douglas in the nation’s most important debates over slavery before the Civil War. It behooves the champions of any candidate to think carefully when citing similarities to Lincoln’s record. In this case, the comparison is absurd.


William Ayers who? (Did you forget whose house you used to announce your State Senate campaign? Does the Woods Fund ring a bell?) Well, there's video of the couple speaking at a reunion in 2007 to remind people of the unrepentant Weather Underground.

He took a brave stand when he gave his anti-war speech---he said he was running for the U.S. Senate. But the dates don't jive.

In front of Civil Rights leaders at the 40th anniversary of the March on Selma, he claimed that his conception was a result of this march, which happened several years AFTER Obama was born!

My brother said this morning:

"And the media jumped on Hillary for misremembering a twelve year old event in which she and all the other on the plane had been warned to expect sniper fire? Given her stamina and achievements, I would imagine she has at least a dozen times the memories stored in her brain, yet BO can't even remember Ayers, Rezko (even simple things like coordinating his most important purchase ever, a life-changing event), or anything specific his minister and "spiritual advisor" of twenty years said that might be "objectionable." And, of course, our swooning bowl-fed media led by "Tingling Chris" Matthews swallows every lie he utters."


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ChimpersMcSmirkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:01 PM
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22. Kneecapping the party?
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Yukari Yakumo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:24 PM
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23. She's only good at debating when it's rigged in her favor.
She's good at one thing: Getting caught lying.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:26 PM
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24. Surviving. She took third in the first caucus and she's still got a fighting chance.
Much as I'm not a fan, she's certainly lived up to her claim of being tough.
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Yurovsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:30 PM
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26. Killing Muslim children ...
and she can't wait to "obliterate" Iran.

Her words, mind you.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 10:36 PM
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27. Action.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:13 AM
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28. she's really not much of a debater.
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