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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:00 AM
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I've Come to the Conclusion that Rev. Wright is Brilliant.
I thought so before, but now I am dumbfounded by this man's sheer brilliance. He is very wise, prophetic, and learned.

His sermon following September 9, 2001, is absolutely breathtaking. If our "leaders" had heard this sermon, perhaps we would be in a different place today.

His sermon, talking about how the United States should be careful in its response, was sort of a warning, perhaps from on high, to our leaders. "Violence begets violence" "Hatred begets hatred". All of us, in our daily lives, could also apply these creeds when dealing with others. How we view others. Different is not deficient. This is all what it boils down to. America's insistence that all things American are superior to every one else's culture, is what is tearing this country down and apart. Our wars, most of the time, are premised on going in to some other country and delivering Grade A Americanism to them. "Liberating" them from whatever it is that is inconsistent with Americanism. Telling Muslim women in predominately Muslim countries that their head coverings aren't "natural" or they are somehow "oppressed" because their religion suggests they wear these head coverings. Do we have these views towards Christians? Christianity has some of the most oppressive tenets in all religions. Look at Catholicism. Women can't be ordained priests in Catholic churches. Will there ever be a woman Pope? Nuns wear head coverings. Women can't even teach Canon law in Vatican approved universities. Look at other denominations in the Christian church. Some churches, old style, Southern churches, still are uncomfortable with women in leadership roles, especially as pastors. Christians are taught that gays are abominations. They are taught that abortion is an abomination, although totally legal in the United States. They are taught that women must be subserviant to their husbands. They are taught that fornication is an abomination. All of these things are accepted in society, even though they are not aligned with Christian faith. But, here in the US, Christianity is THE religion that all must recognize and bow down to, albeit an unwritten understanding here. There won't be a Jewish, Muslim, Agnostic, or Atheist President anytime soon.

So, we, as Americans, go around the world trying to Americanize and Christinize others because we have this superiority complex that we are different and successful, so therefore better. Different is not deficient OR superior. This is our problem.

In his post 9/11 sermon, Rev. Wright quotes Psalms 137 in trying to explain how we must be careful not to react out of revenge. This is precisely what George Bush and most lawmakers did in response. We killed innocents, bashing their babies against the rocks. Not against just the military, armed soldiers, but against innocents. Al Quada was NOT an army of ANY country. They were a rouge terrorist organization which happened to be in Afghanistan. We declared war on Afghanistan in response to the Taliban asking for further proof that Bin Laden was responsible for 9/11. Instead of providing this proof, we declared war. Part of our decision to declare war was based on the deplorable conditions in which the Afghani people lived under Taliban. We had problems with them already. When the Taliban gained control of Afghanistan, at first Bill Clinton, SOS Albright, had no problem with them, but as soon as it appeared that we could not control things to the extent we wanted to control things, the relationship died. We isolated them and in return, they grew more defiant and Bin Laden saw this and moved in. When bin Laden and his group saw how isolated the Taliban had become, they moved from Somalia to Afghanistan and teamed up with the Taliban. Not much later, we have the attacks on 9/11.

We do this. Sometimes we prop up these oppressive governments and when our relationship with them sours, we then declare war on them, forgetting that it was US that created the situation in the first place.

But now we are there and many innocents have died. Some people might say, well, that is the cost of war and innocents might die. Well, if you were the innocents involved, you would probably have a different view. Most Americans have never experienced being on the other end of oppression, violence from the government, war on your own land, having something taken from you by the government without due process, etc. So the understanding it takes to understand the anger that comes from people who have is not there. Things tend to be either black or white, no in between.

Violence begets violence. Hatred begets hatred.

Iraq is the same way. We invaded that country with absolutely NO PROOF of anything. The government said there was WMD but knew all along it was all a lie. And we wonder why they HATE US? We went in there and hundreds of thousands of innocents were killed...POST the removal of Saddam Hussein. We went in there and destroyed the infrastructure, but before we would even make sure the people had basic necessities like a water filration system and electricity, we protected the oil and began building permanent bases. And we wonder why they hate us.

We protect countries like Israel that have perpetrated nothing less than what can be described as CRIMES against the Palistineans, and support countries like China, Saudi Arabia who do the same, but focus our attentions on the acts of other governments like Iraq (one of the more secular countries in the Middle East under Saddam) and Iran (also one of the more secular countries in the Middle East) and also IGNORE genocide in Darfur and Rwanda. Look back at the Taliban's regime in Afghanistan during the Clinton administration.

In the world's view, there does seem to be a double standard. Does any country still respect America as much as we would like to think they do? The United States sought to eliminate Communism around the world, but at the same time, this country lived under the "separate but equal" doctrine of Plessy v. Ferguson, JIM CROW thrived, black people were lynched regularly, black people could not vote on equal footing with white Americans, Japanese Americans were forced into internment camps, black and white children segregated in schools, no equal protection under the law DESPITE it being the 14th amendment to the Constitution. We tell other countries to DO AS I SAY AND NOT AS I DO. This country has YET to even apologize for slavery, even though, under the Constitution, blacks (slaves) were considered just 3/5ths of a HUMAN, and slavery was thus impliedly included under the Constitution. Laws were set up by this government to allow people to recapture fleeing slaves and to drag them back to their slave masters. This country collected TAXES on slaves to fund the building of its infrastructure, its White House, pay its judges that issued rulings like Dred Scott. This country used slaves to build the White House. But yet it has not apologized for that. Nor has it apologized for JIM CROW. Some may think that the Civil Rights Act of 1964 settled all of that, but not true. That Act did not GIVE blacks their rights, it merely made it illegal to deny the civil rights that blacks already had. No one gave blacks their rights, we already had these rights...human rights endowed by our creator. What man has the right to deny or give a human right to another man? Besides, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was not a BLACK law, it is a law that protects whites as well. It is a law that protects gender (women and men), religion, national origin, color. It is a law that covers everyone. What makes America the "greatest nation in the world" when just 40 years ago, we had to enact such a law? What gives us the right to tell any country how to treat its citizens? Today, even today in America, we still grapple with these problems. How do we rectify warrantless wire taps, when the 4th amendment clearly means that a warrant must be secured when searching (or tapping) or at least be reasonable under the circumstances? What is reasonable about a blanket authorization to wiretap and then seek a warrant if need be? What is American about holding prisoners in Gitmo, torturing in the name of security, and having judges decide who the President of the United States will be?

We must take this country into a new direction. Change must come. We cannot continue to live in this small-minded vacuum to where we believe we are superior to all, when we don't even follow our own Constitution. We must stop this imperialist mindset that others around the world are increasingly growing hostile to. We have to or else we will cease to be America. Our government will continue to take away our rights while simultaneously trying to dominate the world. And the world will not respond kindly. We are at breaking point.

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:04 AM
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1. Your words ring true!
"We must take this country into a new direction. Change must come. We cannot continue to live in this small-minded vacuum to where we believe we are superior to all, when we don't even follow our own Constitution. "

Thank you.
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TTUBatfan2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:05 AM
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2. He is brilliant...
but far too cynical for his own good. I know the Tuskegee Experiment provides fuel for conspiracy theories about AIDS, but even then only 10% of black people believe in such a conspiracy. He's absolutely right about 9/11 and his "G-D America" was no different from Martin Luther King's "Why America may go to hell" speech that he was going to make until he got assassinated. But the AIDS thing is a situation where he simply lets his own cynicism get the better of him and it completely undermines the rest of what he says.
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:25 AM
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22. I don't believe only 10% of black America believe in that conspiracy.
I believe I saw a study that put the figure much higher than that. I know the theory may seem just totally unbelievable to someone who really believes that their government would never do such a thing, but it is always wise to be a little skeptical. I put nothing past anyone. Governments lie and they fail. The government is a body of ideals which are to be carried out by men. Men are flawed. No one could have ever believed the government would use black men as guinea pigs, but they did. No one could ever believe that the government sterilized black women and girls, but they did. No one would ever think the governor would stand in front of the doors of a school to keep out black children trying to integrate it. No one would ever think that the police would brutalize black men and women, but they do, regularly. No one could ever believe that the government was somehow involved in the cocaine game in the 80s but they were -- Iran-Contra. The Black experience is different from everyone else's experience in America. Black people approach things from a different perspective simply because of our history in this country. You cannot simply brush this man's sentiments and conclusions aside without first understanding where his beliefs come from.
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TTUBatfan2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:31 AM
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25. You're preaching to the choir here...
I believe that at the very least, the government allowed 9/11 to happen (ignored intelligence reports intentionally) because they were the ones who benefited the most from it. Bush never would have gotten re-elected if not for 9/11. And at worst, I think the entire thing was an inside job. Believe me, I am pretty damn cynical. The problem here is that most of the country isn't as cynical as me or Reverend Wright. So anything he says will be rejected very quickly by a majority of Americans, simply due to his belief in that particular conspiracy theory. Even when what he says is spot-on, such as his speech tonight, people will ignore it because of his previous statements that they find "appalling" and "offensive."
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ruby slippers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:34 AM
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27. read this
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:36 AM
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29. A lot of black people believe 9/11 was inside...meaning at the very least
that disaster was allowed to happen. We must be a very cynical people. :)
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 02:14 AM
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43. Not only that...
...but that opinion is shared by a MAJORITY of the people that actually live in NY City, the place that was actually hit...
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TTUBatfan2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 02:20 AM
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45. Right...
I remember hearing about a poll that was done and over 50% who responded felt that it was some kind of inside job.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 10:15 PM
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57. Does that number make it true? In your view?
I understand the quite rational basis of the paranoia.
But should it be fed? Or countered?
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 10:13 PM
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56. Uh oh!
.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 10:15 PM
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58. Resurrecting 2-day old threads, eh JoFerret?
Shameless.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 10:19 PM
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61. Your attention span is more limited than mine
Obviously.

I do not live by the very latest notion to pop in the spheres.

There is a problem with the discussion now all of a sudden?
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:08 AM
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3. Yeah and the US government created AIDs to destroy Black people
Wright is a disaster that doesn't want to go away for the good of his own candidate.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:08 AM
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4. "his own candidate"? Who are you talking about? He's a pastor not a politician
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ruby slippers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:11 AM
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6. maybe you need to look at this timeline, then, and you will see the US's role....
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:22 PM
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53. There are no footnotes in that link
It's just a link of one person's wild imagination.

Sorry, you'll need to do better than that.
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:14 AM
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11. You should familiarize yourself with the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiments
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0762136.html

Read up and then maybe you'll understand why some Black Americans may not consider the AIDS plot so far fetched.

Do I think the US government created AIDS to kill blacks? No.

But if you look at US history the the US government's treatment of blacks as second class citizens, I certainly think its plausible the more you think about it.
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:22 AM
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16. Spreading a lie is not brilliance. You are covering for hate speech, my friend n/t
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:24 AM
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17. "hate speech"? WTF!?
"Difference is not deficiency" is hate speech now?
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 10:17 PM
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60. Do you now understand why
Obama has denounced him?
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:26 AM
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23. What is this "hate speech" you speak of?
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:56 AM
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38. "Hate speech"???
I didn't get that at all.

I think you are proving the OP's point, that some in this country want to see it, it us, as the blameless, no-blood-on-our-hands people.

When I originally heard the speech in which Rev. Wright talked about the government deliberately infecting black people with AIDS, I didn't automatically believe it, but I sure wouldn't put it past them either, given all the other shit they've done.

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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:17 AM
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14. Fredda - You're not going to vote for Obama anyhow,
why don't you save your breath......

Just the lack of available, affordable drugs to combat HIV and AIDS in the inner cities makes what he said closer to the truth than you might think. Death by indifference.

And after Tuskeegee......
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:24 AM
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18. And after Nazi experiments ... so what? Sorry, but this guilt trip doesn't
get to me. I know how destructive victimhood is ... and this preacher is just continuing the cycle.

If I can break it, so should he, for the sake of the next generation.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:58 AM
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39. Guilt trip?
I don't think so.

This country as treated those it considers "different" as VERY deficient. And I didn't hear the good Reverend Wright encouraging victimhood. I heard him promoting change for the better in all races.

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ruby slippers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:24 AM
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20. cliff notes version.....for those wanting to skim
In 1957, future U.S. president, Rep Gerald Ford and others gave the U.S. Pentagon permission to aggressively deploy offensive biological agents. There are no recorded cases of AIDS prior to the 1957 creation of “Special Operation-X.” (The SOX) program served as the immediate prototype program for the Special Virus program to begin in 1962.

By 1960, Nikita Kruschev had been let in on the biological weapon. His 1960 statement will long reflect the arrogance of the secret blend of communism and democracy. The two countries would go to a November 1972 agreement to cull the Black Population. ...


...In 1974, Furher Henry Kissinger releases his NSSM-200 (U.S. Plan to Address Overpopulation). It is the only issue of discussion at the World Population Conference in Bucharest, Romania.  The men in the shadows had won, the whole world agrees to secretly cull Africa’s population. Today it is Africa and other undesirables. Tomorrow it may be you.

...In 1977, Dr. Robert Gallo and the top Soviet Scientists meet to discuss the proliferation of the 15,000 gallons of AIDS. They attach AIDS as complement to the Small pox vaccine for Africa, and the “experimental” hepatitis B vaccine for Manhattan. According to authors June Goodfield and Alan Cantwell, it is Batch #751 that was administered in New York to thousands of innocent people. This government will never be able to repay the people for the social rape, humiliation and out right prejudice people with HIV/AIDS face on a daily basis. The men in the shadows of the AIDS curtain accurately calculated that you would not care if only Blacks and gays are dying. In fact you don’t care that nearly a half million Gulf War veterans are encumbered with something contagious. Soon there will be no more Black people and a confused military, older White people will start suddenly dying and you still won’t get it. Be here now for us, give us a chance to be there for you.

Suddenly, just as President Nixon had predicted, there was explosive death. On November 4, 1999, the U.S. White House announced,.... “Within a period as short as five years, all new infections of HIV in the United States will be African American....” At some point our experts must be allowed to begin the interface process of allowing the history of this virus program to count. It is ludicrous and preposterous to fail to review the U.S. virus program in which to elucidate the etiology of AIDS...

http://www.boydgraves.com/timeline/ SOURCE
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:25 AM
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21. The govt tested chem/bio weapons on the Navy
Why would you think, for certain, that AIDS wasn't a virus that got loose.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/05/24/national/main510079.shtml
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ruby slippers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:27 AM
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24. consider this, too......
Edited on Mon Apr-28-08 01:29 AM by ruby slippers

http://www.boydgraves.com/timeline/

...In 1951, we now know our government conducted its first virus attack on African Americans. Crates in Pennsylvania were tainted to see how many Negro crate handlers in Virginia would acquire the placebo virus.. They were also experimentally infecting sheep and goats. According to author Eva Snead, they also held their first world conference on an AIDS-like virus...
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 04:24 AM
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50. I know, with 100% certainly that HIV wasn't created by the Government...
it was practically impossible, given the fact that, up until 1981, scientists didn't even know of any retroviruses for humans yet(Leukemia retrovirus was the first discovered, in that year). The fact that recombinant DNA experiments weren't possible before 1978, that's when the process was patented. The closest virus related to HIV is SIV, which wasn't identified until AFTER HIV, in 1985(HIV was discovered in 1983). Not to mention that if the virus itself was engineered, there would be obvious markers in its RNA to identify it as engineered, particularly when looking at evolutionary genetics, even if derived from an existing virus, the "jump" would have been too big to be unmistakable for geneticists who study viruses.

In order for HIV to have been successfully engineered by the United States Government, and spread by it, without letting anyone else know about it, it would require a world wide conspiracy of thousands of scientists, their assistants, Universities, doctors, nurses, etc. It would be impossible to keep a lid on things, and every time some doctor or nurse gets a sample of HIV from a patient, the danger of exposing the conspiracy increases.

The problem with this loony conspiracy shit is that its plausible when you only consider if the government would do such a thing. Of course they would have, but the real question is, COULD they have done it? No, they didn't have either the scientific know-how, nor the technology to engineer such a virus. Even the most technologically advanced weapons labs on the planet at the time were nothing more than breeding farms for viruses and bacteria, to find the most virulent strains of EXISTING diseases, not new ones. They weren't capable of that yet, and HIV predates modern Genetic Engineering.

If there is one thing I hate, its when scientifically illiterate people, such as this so called "Doctor" Boyd(hint: he isn't a doctor, of anything), is that they peddle bullshit that's frankly dangerous to our public health. The fact is that it is well known what the transmission factors for HIV are, so let's work on improving the actual education of people to prevent them from getting it in the first place, not distract them with made up bullshit that people use to sell books.
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ruby slippers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:09 AM
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5. and the man can "sing", too........
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bigbrother05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:21 AM
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15. Mentioned on Moyers that he was a soloist in college
The reason he knows his cantatas from his gospels. He has clearly lived in and understands many world views.
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ruby slippers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:31 AM
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26. but, he lost me on the pentatonic scale comment...is it really
the names of the notes he said in his speech when he sang them. Something just didn't seem right if he was talking about all black keys. Fa is a white key......isn't it?
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napoleon_in_rags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:11 AM
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7. I enjoyed him tonight.
Its refreshing to see somebody talk without giving a shit, just saying what they believe. Don't agree with much of what he says, but that he's putting it out there and making me think is a good gift.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:13 AM
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9. He's not just "G-D America" anymore.
That's the good thing about the speech.
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napoleon_in_rags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:24 AM
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19. Yeah, he gave us all a lot to think about, that's for sure.
Edited on Mon Apr-28-08 01:52 AM by napoleon_in_rags
And its a good thing.

BTW, I just heard "G-D America" for the first time on CNN tonight, apparently because they couldn't say "God damn" on the air... I enjoyed that too, mostly because of "G-D P" here on DU. I thought of DU right away and could almost hear Rev. Wrights voice damning the primaries as being some kind of expression of my own feelings toward GD : P . Awesome. :)

Peace.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:13 AM
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8. Thanks for this.....Man, I LOVE what I'm seeing here on DU and
in the MSM -

The dialog of business as usual is being shattered and replaced with intelligent discourse on race, education, the value and place of the MSM and the US as a whole.

I'm truly stoked. We could reach those places I dreamed of before Martin and Bobby were killed.
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 02:13 AM
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42. .
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:13 AM
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10. I've come to the conclusion that he's a HILLARY SUPPORTER!
:rofl:





I'm SO FREAKIN' HAPPY!
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:16 AM
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12. I can see why the Queen would not want him as her pastor.
Too smart, too knowledgeable, and too liberal. She prefers secret conservative prayer groups. She won't pray with Wright but will pray with Rick Santorum. What a gal.
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:39 AM
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30. I can't wait to see you work that into a GE campaign spotl
Y'all are just BRILLIANT!
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:40 AM
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31. Did I mention they are fascist?
Edited on Mon Apr-28-08 01:42 AM by anonymous171
Seriously. McCain would have a field day, playing Reagan fight the "evil communist-fascist Hillary."
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:42 AM
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33. You are awake without being aware.
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:34 AM
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28. What you don't understand is that this man has a wider world view
than what you believe he has. He could probably give a damn about this presidential election. It is much bigger than Obama, Clinton, and McCain. For many people it is and will always be. He is a man of faith in God. He does not put his faith in any one person. Who becomes president will not affect his view. He believes God has all power as many of us do. If you saw his interview the other night, he made it clear that he does not believe in government.
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:41 AM
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32. Buckets.
They're not just for Kool-Aid anymore.


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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:44 AM
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36. I know you guys think that this whole situation has been a gift for
your candidate's campaign, but it really isn't. You must understand that we are at a fork in the road right now. It is not as simple as you believe it is. This is not a "gift" for Clinton.
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 02:32 AM
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47. You're Wright. It's a Mercedes Benz with all the Xtras, tax free and paid for.
I accept.
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 02:43 AM
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49. Okay you're too simple minded for me. Move along.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:43 AM
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35. Actually, if you carefully study Hillary's comments in It takes a village
it would be fair to say that she and Wright would agree more than disagree on the topic of education.
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:17 AM
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13. He is a Holy Man
I feel privileged to have heard him speak. The more I see/hear, the more I feel edified.

Thank you for your heart felt post!


K and R
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:43 AM
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34. Your own personal Jesus. Reach out and touch faith.
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:55 AM
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37. Peace!




I have truly enjoyed listening to all the sermons at:

http://www.youtube.com/user/TRINITYCHGO






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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 02:19 AM
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44. I will deliver. You know I'm a forgiver.
Take second best
Put me to the test
Things on your chest
You need to confess
I will deliver
You know Im a forgiver
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 02:33 AM
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48. reach out and touch faith.
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:29 PM
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54. Feeling unknown and you're all alone
Flesh and bone by the telephone
Lift up the receiver I'll make you a believer
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BigDaddy44 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:42 PM
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55. I have a bad back
Does anyone know of his next appearance so I could go and ask him to heal me?
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 02:09 AM
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40. Expert "imperialism and demoracy cannnot co-exist"
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 02:13 AM
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41. Making fun of the way other people worship is not brilliant
Much of what he said and believes is very wise and quite true, but he shot down the very premise of his speech (which I'd characterize as "different is not deficient") in a couple of instances, and most dangerously in one.

Here's where he differentiates between the way white people worship and black people do. (I guess he's never been to some serious white fundy churches...)

(normal voice) "You love somebody?" (now with mock-boring white voice) "Oh how I love Jesus because he first loved me." (now with derisive natural voice) "No, no, no, no, no. If ya feel it..." (makes physical motion of aligning his body) "I come from a religious tradition where we shout in the sanctuary and march on the picket line. I come from a religious tradition where we give god the glory and give the devil the blues. The black religious tradition is different; we do it a different way..."

Okay, fine. The problem is that he's not just showing that it's different, as is his credo here, but that the "white" way is insincere, uncommitted, shallow and detached. Maybe you interpret the "no, no, no, no, no" as just an expression of difference, but the mocking of the voice of the person saying how he loves Jesus in such a rote and geeky way cuts the other way, and it will with others, too.

You don't make fun of how other people worship. Okay, well NICE people don't.

The undertones of self-righteousness and self-pitying are evident elsewhere, too: he actually says that NOBODY ever made fun of Ted (or as he says "Ed") Kennedy for the way he speaks, even though the Boston accent drops compound consonants. Like bloody fucking hell they don't; people from Massachusetts get endlessly teased and mocked for their accent. Hell, Vaughan Meader made a fine career off of it. MANY other groups get sneered at as inferiors for their accents. Funny he doesn't get this as a Southerner; that's the insult accent of choice in this country.

Here, see the clip for yourself: follow the link and go to Part Three at 9:08. It's a geeky white guy who's just going through the motions; it's not REAL religion as he informs us it's to be done.

http://www.hiphopmusic.com/2008/04/rev_wright_naacp_speech_video.html
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graycem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 02:23 AM
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46. He is!
And honest too. I think some people have a need to believe their government is innocent and always operate with our best interests in mind because it makes them feel more secure. What I found most revealing is he is not saying anything different that I've heard white preachers say for years, only for different reasons.

Many, MANY preachers, like Bush's and his many supporters (the Left Behind crowd), sit in Sunday services and hear their pastors talk about how God will destroy the earth, not just America, but the earth for our sins, with brimstone and fire, there will be wars, and famine and they say "hallelujah, and amen!" They positively LONG for Revelations to come to pass so they can sit on their high horses and say "I told you so.." So it's fine to assert God will DAMN the world for such minor "sins" of some such as sexual preference, or for choosing the "wrong" religion in their eyes, but he gives America, in all her glory, a pass on killing how many hundreds of thousands over all these years?? Where are the so-called Christians in this country? I would love to hear all the preacher's views, the ones that have been invited to the WH through the years, on if it is better to DAMN the world, or one single nation for her sins. That's what they should be "investigating."

What Rev. Wright said is that we reap what we sow, which is a huge part of the bible's philosophy... do unto others, etc. That's from the Christian perspective, but most other religions and philosophies have a similar mantra... karma, for one. Why do people pretend his words are any different. Because he said "damn"? People are absurd.

Where was the public outcry when Ambassador Peak said "America's chickens are coming home to roost?" I for one don't remember it. I remember Hagee and the other whackjobs basically getting a pass when they claimed it was because of "gays" and other "sins." I didn't even begin to hear them go on for weeks and weeks when our Saudi masters said this is a result of U.S. foreign policy. It's ok for a Saudi Arabian whose oil we need to say it. It is ok when a "preacher" like Hagee and the other nutcases blames the citizens of this country for 9/11 but it is not ok when this particular black preacher blames our government's foreign policy?? People are ABSURD!

The same people who were upset about Obama's comments about "clinging" to their religion when their very own bible tells them to do JUST that! They were offended perhaps because they haven't been paying attention in church, or maybe they were just being disingenuous and hypocritical. Absurd!

The same people sit there and get offended by his belief about the AIDS virus, yet don't stop for a second to consider where those beliefs may come from, but are ready to give the government the benefit of the doubt, even though we KNOW that the government killed Native Americans with disease and rotten food and forcing them from their land, poisoned the Vietnamese and our OWN soldiers with garbage like Agent Orange, we KNOW the government used African-American citiziens as guinnea pigs in the Tuskegee Experiment. Yeah, shame on that man for not having BLIND faith in our government. Shame on him for doubting our government. Shame on him for believing our government has done nefarious things and that it wouldn't be a stretch to imagine it has and would do things like that again. Absurd!

People are absurd because the ugly truths are glossed over in our textbooks. Willfull ignorance, it's easier to sleep at night. You will only learn the truth if you seek it out independently. It is so difficult to battle mass ignorance.

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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 04:40 AM
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51. K/R!
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 07:55 AM
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52. K & R
:thumbsup:
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 10:17 PM
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59. and like many brilliant people he has an insatiable ego.
His problem is not intelligence but humility.
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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 10:20 PM
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62. Here's another thread kicked by the hero of "Get Back"
You are beyond lame.
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