Is Hillary Clinton trying to win the presidency dishonorably?

[LoZoccolo]

[LakeSamish706]

1. Hahaha... Have you known Hillary Clinton to win any other way, is a better question? n/t

[mkultra]

2. well, i never saw her like this until this election

so yes, i have seen her differently.

[LakeSamish706]

3. Come on, look at her voting record in the Senate... Its totally Republican all the way.... n/t

[PBS Poll-435]

8. Like Obama's?

The are 95% THE SAME

[BeatleBoot]

4. No. It's just everyone is too lazy to do their homework on Rev Wright.

Lots of history there.

Lots.

[LakeSamish706]

5. Once again, this forum tells everyone where Hillary stands. I rest my case. n/t

[bowens43]

6. She's not trying to win the preasidncy.

At this point, that's not possible. She is trying to prevent Obama from winning the presidency and 'dishonorable' doesn't begin to scratch the surface. She has shown that the only thing that is important to her is power. Only a fool would want to see this woman with the tools that bush put in place. Her abuses of power would make bush look like a rank amateur. If hillary managed to steal the nomination and cheat her way into the oval office we would quickly see the end of what is left of our Constitution.

[ShortnFiery]

7. "end of what is left of our Constitution" - continued Unitary Executive - "secrecy"

We would NOT have increased transparency if The Clintons receive a third term in OUR Executive Branch.

To the Contrary, Neo-Liberalism is just a dangerous to our CIVIL LIBERTIES as Neo-Conservatism.

WAR! WAR! WAR! ... with *absolute* Corporate Rule of our Government.

Simply Put: Neo-Liberalism (HRC) = WAR = Neo-Conservatism (McCain)

[MrSlayer]

9. Of course. By hook or by crook. She is supposed to be the candidate.

This wasn't supposed to happen with Obama or anyone. The nomination has been hers for years now. It was all going to be over by February 5th. The corporate media repeatedly told and attempted to condition us to it but then the people didn't follow the plan. And now the corporate candidates and the corporate media are going to destroy the people's choice any way they can. She has to be the nominee, otherwise someone else might do something to impede the slide of our country into corporate fascism. Someone else might investigate the crimes of this current administration and put these guys out of business for good. Someone else might put a stop to the war profiteering. Someone else might actually be for the betterment of their fellow citizens. And the powers that be cannot have that. And there is always "Plan B: President McCain". The neos are in both parties.

[Yossariant]

10. .

:rofl:

[Jawja]

11. Hillary Clinton: The GOP Choice for the Democratic Nomination

She has embraced the support of the GOP as their candidate for the Democratic Nomination and that in itself, is dishonorable.

[Tellurian]

12. Things are pretty bad in Obamaville

Doesn't look like he will be the nominee. His Pastor is revealing Obama's "clay feet" in plain language for all to see and understand Obama is only a "politician" not the messiah, as so many like to think of him .

[karynnj]

14. It certainly looks to me that that is very little chance that

HRC could be seen as winning fairly at this point. I seriously do not think the superdelegates are buying their argument that only she can win. In fact, the nastier this gets, the worse she looks. Her negatives are such that she would have trouble both getting out the Democratic base and winning the independents against McCain. I know several young people who will turn away from politics and from voting because they had suspended cynicism to believe that the system could work. To them, Obama is the one winning - and they will see it as the powers that be stealing the election.

Think of that as a possible legacy of the Clintons - history may show that people who backed Clinton in the 1992 primaries, in spite of his glaring character flaws, made a mistake that hurt the party for at least 2 decades.

[Tellurian]

17. Obama is DOA..

No one cares about Clinton history except 3 or 4 old Kerry supporters who revel in dissing the Clintons. The Clintons are defendable whereas, as we've seen here, Obama has no defense for his shady and questionable background. Republicans read here all the time. They realise the only defense they've seen from Obama supporters is meaningless attacks against Clinton.

No responsible democrat is going to take a chance on nominating a democrat that is as vulnerable as is Obama to Republican attacks. I'm just thankful Obama hasn't done more damage to the Democrat's chances. SuperDs can switch their pledge to Hillary where we can still Win! Our primary concern is winning the next presidential election. Hillary is our only choice to the White House.

[karynnj]

20. Both of the Clintons have unfavorables that now exceed their favorables

which kind of means that either there are "3 or 4" very influential Kerry supporters. Now, I've met people unimpressed with Senator Kerry who can not stand HRC.

The Clintons are very vulnerable themselves - and we haven't yet seen what the RW will chose to throw at them. Add that to the fact that HRC is seen as more and more unlikable. I know solid Democrats who are sick of her. I have never seen a Democratic nominee that brings out that level of disgust among Democrats.

[Tellurian]

21. Obama's unfavorables pre Wright were approaching Hillarys..

Now I would expect hers are lower than Obamas, after the revelation he is a bald faced liar, running a false campaign unable to get elected.

[karynnj]

22. Let's see, if I asked the next 10 people I see who of the 3 current 08 candidates

is best described as a "bald faced liar" - I doubt that Obama would be in the running. His campaign is not false and HRC and WJC not withstanding - he is winning, not her.

[Tellurian]

23. Go right ahead..hopefully they won't ask for a refund for the money they donated to Obama's campaign

Carry a wad of $20s when you start your polling quest.

[karynnj]

24. I actually be more concerned with those

who gave to Clinton and regret it. In fact, I'm now sorry that my husband and I did in the 1990s.

[Tellurian]

26. You're always sorry about something..

I trust people with good judgment..you are not one, I consider, who would qualify.

[karynnj]

29. Better people than you ever will be have trusted me in the past and still do

I have seen much that makes it a badge of honor that you say this. Even on this anonymous board, I am happy with my reputation versus yours - I do notice that you have had far more "comments deleted" than I have.

[Perry Logan]

13. This is why it's good not to hang around progressives all the time.

[Ken Burch]

16. It's not good for the party to dismiss progressives.

If the party had run on our kind of platform in 2004, we'd have won in a landslide.

Centrism doesn't work. Kerry proved it.

[IsItJustMe]

15. And if she did pull it out, she will loose big time in the GE because people will not forgive this

[Tellurian]

18. Forgive what? Obama is damaged goods.. His career as a viable Dem candidate is over!

[Orsino]

19. The honorable means are disappearing. n/t

[mythyc]

25. how about "She is not trying to win it undishonorably..."

don't people disuse double negatives anymore?

[invictus]

27. Hillary knows she can't win. She's trying to damage Obama so she can run in 2012.

She is the most spiteful and vindictive person in American politics today.

[liberaldem4ever]

28. I can't believe that 35 people

can really say that she is winning honestly and believe it. Even if they believe that she is winning, how can they think she has run an honest campaign? I guess you can talk yourself into believing anything if you try hard enough. :eyes:

[LoZoccolo]

30. Maybe some people are trying to win this poll dishonorably, lol. n/t

[RichardRay]

31. The concept of 'honor' in politics is long gone...

as it is in almost all other parts of modern life. The very few 'honor groups' left in the world are largely derided in today's world. The question makes no sense.

see Honor: A History by James Bowman

[invictus]

32. Hillary is LOSING dishonorably. It's bad enough to be a loser ... but a dishonarable loser. n/t