Nader blames the Gore loss on conservative Democrats voting for Bush

[jpgray]

Yet he advises the Democrats they have to move left to win? The 'logic' here is making my head spin. Nader's main argument is that Democrats lose because they are part of the 'one party duopoly/corporate plutocracy', so there he is saying that leftist votes can win the election for the Democrats. Yet when Gore lost, Nader claims the key votes that caused that loss weren't on the left, but on the right. So Gore should have moved left and right at the same time to woo and abandon the leftist voters who are both important and unimportant?

:crazy:

[Fridays Child]

1. Could the guy get any more deluded?

Geez!

[FlashHarry]

2. Bullshit.

On Hardball, he said that Naderites in Florida would have voted for Gore if he had brought the party to the Left. Now, which is it, Ralphie--did they desert because the Dems were too centrist or too far left? You can't have it both ways, you lying, self-aggrandizing sack of shit.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

3. Demonstrates what a crazy useless fuck he has become

Too bad...he started out so good..only to be an enabler of the worst sort and as good of a doublespeaker as the fucker he is aiding and abetting...

[jpgray]

4. I still think Ralph is capable of talking a really good game

But the more I learn about what he has done recently, and the more I hear of his strategy for moving the country left, the more I disagree with the guy. This latest bit of logic just struck me as completely ridiculous. I know he wants to avoid blame for 2000 (and he doesn't deserve all of it in any case), but this contradicts what he has said in the past.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

6. It's up to him to prove his usefulness as anything but a spoiler

Doesn't HE even question why he gets so much airtime when Democrats are severely underrepresented in the media?

[jpgray]

9. He's not dumb, so I assume he knows what he is doing

I've already started a few threads about how I hate 'heightening the contradictions', so I won't go into that, but I have to think he knows exactly why he is getting GOP money, extra airtime, the undying love of Tucker Carlson, et al.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

5. Well he is being used by Bush and the GOP slime

so he is useful to some at least. But I say- bring it on Ralph!
Kerry will win by 10 points even with your deluded insane ego trying to get in the way.

[glitch]

7. he eats tuna fish sandwich everyday for lunch, that's a lot of mercury nt

[Bread and Circus]

8. I think Nader needs a head scan, I think he's got a brain tumor...

He's done some brilliant things but he seems to
have cognitive deficits lately. He needs to have
brain cancer ruled out.

[2Design]

10. Gore WON.....the votes weren't counted....SPC appointed BUSH

Could it still be overturned and the rightful president take his place. In my idealist world it would be

[quaker bill]

11. He makes no sense on so many dimensions

I have no problem with trying to move the country to the left. At this point, a solid move leftward is needed to even get back near the center.

That being said, there is nothing Ralph can do to effect that sort of change.

If the left abandons the democrats, the democrats will have to move farther right to get enough votes to form a governing majority.

If you have not noticed by now, the radical left (what little of it remains) is a small and fractious group that will never gather the electoral strength and unity required to actually elect candidates with the noted exception of a few scattered locales. A national progressive movement can only be achieved through alliances with larger groups that tend to have a more moderate though left leaning point of view.

Naderites are dead set against this. They do not want to "settle" for incremental progress. They want to "feel good" (pure) about their vote. I find this to be a very self-centered motivation for their vote. A less self centered approach is a vote to bring positive change to the country, even if that change is not as large as you would desire. This approach places concern for your fellow Americans above your desire to make a personal political statement.

[mzmolly]

12. You always nail it Bill!

And this post is no exception, thanks!

:yourock:

[Robb]

13. Nader in November: "Kerry won because of the liberal Republicans."

So speaks Robbstrodamus. :eyes:

[ButterflyBlood]

14. OK, Ralphie, then I suppose you think Gore should've picked up those voter

by moving right, correct? You would've had no problems if Gore moved further right to picked up more conservative Democrats, right?