Nader took the US to war in Iraq!

[tinanator]

Lets get that story out there too!

[mzmolly]

1. How bout Nader supports the future invasion of SYRIA and IRAN.

That would be more accurate.

[tinanator]

5. Sounds more like Israeli policy

Some people really dont like Nader for his Lebanese ancestry, I cant understand who or why?

[mzmolly]

6. And Bush policy if one reads PNAC.

The Project For The New American Century (PNAC) is the blueprint of the illegitimate Bush regime. PNAC is about empire building, world domination by the Bush regime and remaking the Middle East in "America's Image."...Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Egypt and others.

PNAC was written long before 11 September 2001. PNAC started with Wolfowitz in 1991, Richard Perle did a think tank piece in 1995 in which he said the US had to get rid of Saddam Hussein, then “we” have to go after Syria and Iran to protect the military supremacy of Israel.

Here’s the list of the evil people of PNAC. These are the evildoers who signed PNAC's Statement of Principles:

Elliott Abrams, Gary Bauer Bennett, Jeb Bush, Dick Cheney, Eliot A. Cohen, Midge Decter, Paula Dobriansky, Steve Forbes, Aaron Friedberg, Francis Fukuyama, Frank Gaffney, Fred C. Ikle, Donald Kagan, Zalmay Khalilzad, I. Lewis Libby, Norman Podhoretz, Dan Quayle, Peter W. Rodman, Stephen P. Rosen, Henry S. Rowen, Donald Rumsfeld, Vin Weber, George Weigel, Paul Wolfowitz.

Kerry is critical of PNAC ~ Nader is pulling votes from Kerry, thus supporting the future progress of the PNAC agenda.

http://www.newamericancentury.org/Bushletter.htm

GO NADER/GO BUSH!

[AntiCoup2K4]

11. Kerry is so "critical of PNAC" that he lets one of their own ....

...write his foreign policy. Will Marshall is every bit the traitor as those who signed the first PNAC document. In fact he's even worse, because he signed onto them KNOWING EXACTLY what they were all about.

[mzmolly]

12. Do you have documentation to this effect, I'd be interested.

Thanks.

I do know that Will Marshall signed a letter regarding POST WAR IRAQ, but this is a far cry from authoring the original PNAC agenda.

I also can't find anything linking Kerry to Marshall directly?

[Terry_M]

2. While we're doing that

let's not forget to mention all the other presidential and VP candidates who supported the war.
Just to be fair.

[Bill Wade]

3. Since this thread is pretty humorous. Here's a nugget:

Kerry will be continuing the war on terror(when president), not withdrawing from Iraq or our many soon to be bases there. Nope, he seems just fine continuing American fascist imperialism all over the world. :)




Note: This is a joke, maybe.

[mzmolly]

4. Well Nader's position closely mirrors Kerry's on Iraq.

*Pull out carefully, involve the international community etc...

Does he support American facist imperialism as well?

[Bill Wade]

7. To be honest, I don't know what Nader or Kerry thinks.

You don't either. We won't know until either one is put into a position to make decisions of power. Then lets see what they do, ok? Thats why I put the "maybe" in my post.

But we do know that his(Nader)main priority right now is not about helping the working class, like he claims, but advertising himself and trying to get his ugly mug on TV as much as possible.

[mzmolly]

8. I do know what they say, and it's remarkably similar. Both positions

differ from Bush's.

I agree with you on Nader's agenda, fortunately Murdoch's media will be helpful in promoting his ego trip. :hi:

[Bill Wade]

9. One more comment about it...

You might know what they say, but you don't know what they will do.

Once Kerry gets into office and starts making decisions, then we can sit and talk about what he is doing and whether it is right or wrong. For now, its all speculation as to what Kerry will do.

[mzmolly]

10. Fair enough, but we know what Bush will do, and I am certain it's

vastly different then what Kerry will do.

Kerry is a former war hero - war protester, i have a great deal more confidence in him to exercise good judgement than I do W.

[bandagainstbush]

13. Well, you know

Kerry SAW war. Bush saw weekend warriors.

[checks-n-balances]

14. I agree with that, and that picture sends me howling!

LOL!!

[hedgetrimmer]

15. Progresive Policy Institute!

Look it up it is on Kerry's website... further, Nader references are childish and this board has taken a dive into single minded ignorance and I am disgusted by the lack of perspective and far reaching insight of a once information aggressive site.... the "NEW" DU folks by far and wide (although not all) sucks...

ps before you start calling me a freeper, go look up the progressive policy institute and then go suck kerry's stinky egg. bring on the WAR!!!! follow the trickle up economics of lining corporate pockets... :)

[IndianaGreen]

16. Stop the unnecesary Nader bashing!

Take a hint form the Larry King interview with John Kerry & Teresa Heinz and stop the unnecessary Nader bashing!

CNN LARRY KING LIVE

Interview With John Kerry, Teresa Heinz Kerry

Aired July 8, 2004 - 21:00 ET

KING: Ralph Nader can't be a help. He can't help you.

KERRY: Well, my hope is -- my hope is, Larry, that I'm going to speak to the people who support Ralph Nader. And I'm going to hopefully make Ralph Nader's candidacy unnecessary. That's what I'm trying to do.

KING: Are you ticked that he's running, Teresa?

HEINZ KERRY: I'm not ticked. You know, he's done so much in terms of consumer affairs for this country, and I think he felt very hurt personally in Boston when he wasn't allowed to come in and debate. It was public humiliation.

KERRY: To attend the debate.

HEINZ KERRY: To attend sorry. To attend sorry. And I don't think anybody should be treated that way, personally, but I wasn't there making the decision. And so he probably is a little upset and...

KING: You don't resent his running?

HEINZ KERRY: You know what, coming from a dictatorship, no. This is a free country and think...

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0407/08/lkl.00.html

[LoZoccolo]

18. Waaaaaaaaah!

:cry: :nopity:

We've brought up thing after thing which are real objections to Nader. Now if you think that that's "Nader bashing", and don't think that we should criticize him, well, I have no idea how you think we can reason with people when they think they can dish out all this against Kerry but can't take it against Nader.

[Lefty Pragmatist]

20. That's not the point.

It's valid, it's your first amendment right, blah blah blah.

The point is that it doesn't help anybody. The best thing to do with Nader is to ignore him.

[LoZoccolo]

17. He DID say that Gore would have started the Iraq war.

This is, of course, a LIE because Gore was always against it.

So much for "little difference between the parties". Unless he doesn't think it's a big difference?

[Lefty Pragmatist]

19. Actually, Clinton took the US to war in Iraq.

Because as we all know, if it turns out badly, then it's Clinton's fault. ;-)

[tinanator]

21. Clinton bombed Iraq

I dont think any distinction matters to a dead Iraqi child or surviving parents.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

22. And, Kerry calls for more war in Iraq.

More troops from more countries for longer.