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Obama just won the Presidency by taking Wright off the table, Clinton will look petty if she pushes. |
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GoBama!
Deal with it, game set match!!
The guy is brilliant and Honest, even some Clinton folks were impressed, actually stunned, they've not seen Candor and Honesty, real emotions, an Authentic Human Being in 8 Terms of presidents..
Now if they harp at him it will only Elevate HIM and make them look Petty!
FOUR ACES, and a backslap from God Himself for that one, Obama!
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Tue Apr-29-08 01:50 PM
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1. Alrighty. You can think what you want. |
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But the PC was not a good idea.
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Tue Apr-29-08 01:52 PM
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7. You're really worried about this going away...you're in super spin mode this afternoon. |
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Tue Apr-29-08 01:57 PM
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22. It's the Clinton supporters only hope |
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Tue Apr-29-08 02:38 PM
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37. Unfortunately, Obama has caught himself in 2 huge lies. One of his Wright speeches was dishonest. |
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Wed Apr-30-08 11:52 AM
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67. Neither. Wright changed. |
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Tue Apr-29-08 01:56 PM
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21. It was a necessity. His opponent, Sen. McCain would foolish to push this matter |
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any further, as he has Hagee and Parsley to deal with if he does. It seems most Americans are tired of dirty, Rove-style politics, but tin-ear Hillary and some of the other Republicans have yet to get the memo.
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Tue Apr-29-08 01:51 PM
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2. If you think Clinton is going to back off of it, you are sorely mistaken. |
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She'll tattoo it on her forehead, as far as I know.
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Tue Apr-29-08 01:54 PM
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14. The world is beginning to see her for what she is. |
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No, she won't back off of it. But neither can the American public stomach this kind of trash any longer. People are starting to recognize her for the nasty, slanderous, self-absorbed, ego-maniacal, hideous monster that she is. She's about to get what's coming to her.
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Tue Apr-29-08 01:55 PM
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18. If Hillary tries to keep the Wright issue alive, her end will just come sooner. |
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If she actually does that, she's even more desperate and/or stupid than I thought.
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Tue Apr-29-08 02:09 PM
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35. Well, prepare to be surprised. |
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Because it's going to be 24/7 Reverend Wright until she is forced to quit.
This isn't about anything other than pure single-minded ambition.
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Wed Apr-30-08 09:37 AM
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62. Apparently, it will be Wright, Wright, Wright until the GE, or after. |
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They're on MSNBC right now discussing why they are still discussing Wright. He is apparently much more important than the Iraq War, the economy, health care, gas prices - all of these must now be completely ignored as we watch pundits obsess over a narcissistic fool, day after day after day after day.
I don't even watch KO any more because there is just too much Wright, Wright, Wright. I watched some DVDs of old TV shows last night instead of WNN (the Wright News Networks). I really don't want to hear about him any more and I am determined not to!
Is there anything anyone can say that will make them shut up about Wright and move on?
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Wed Apr-30-08 12:41 PM
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74. I myself have returned to HGTV |
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Couldn't take MSNBC anymore. And it's one of the better ones. Now it's all about the home improvement. Is that Wright thing still going on?
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Tue Apr-29-08 01:51 PM
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3. Nice to see you symbolman - thanks for the uplift |
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I wandered in here a few weeks ago, posted for Obama and a wall of Hate swept over me :) luckily they seem to be slowly coming to their senses.. I think there's some grudging admiration from some of the more free thinkers on the Hillarrry side..
Hope all's well with you!
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Tue Apr-29-08 01:51 PM
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4. Biggest thing of all, Obama can say hey I made a mistake... Got lots up ... |
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on Hillary there who has no clue of being able to say that about anything... (A Bush trait)
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6. This was the best conclusion of a messy affair!!! I Agree. |
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The more I think about it the more it seems pre-decided. This is really the best way for them to separate. Publicly and messily MUCH before the GE and after BO has almost sewn up the nomination.
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Tue Apr-29-08 01:52 PM
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8. I agree, this ended it |
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Wed Apr-30-08 05:36 AM
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Do you know the meaning of the word "legs"?
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Wed Apr-30-08 11:58 AM
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69. What part of "Reverend Wright does not speak for me" don't you understand? |
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Knock yourself out. You can talk about Wright until you're blue in the face, but it no longer has any bearing on Obama.
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Tue Apr-29-08 01:53 PM
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9. I am proud to support this man - and laud his courage to speak his mind and show his humanity |
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Tue Apr-29-08 01:53 PM
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Time will tell about Obama-Wright. In for a penny, in for a pound!
Nice to see you on the board today, being a good Democrat.
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Tue Apr-29-08 03:26 PM
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44. Dont know about the Good part :) |
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But it IS good to see you too :)
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Tue Apr-29-08 01:53 PM
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Yes, a very good move by Obama. |
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He needs to say nothing more on this matter.
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Tue Apr-29-08 01:53 PM
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Edited on Tue Apr-29-08 01:53 PM by invictus
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13. The GOP talking heads are scuttling around like roaches with the lights on after |
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today. They did not expect it to happen today and the SAME RW morons who yesterday were saying that he needs to say something are know killing him for it.
ROTFLMAO!!
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Tue Apr-29-08 01:54 PM
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He can move on...refer any and every question to this statement today. |
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Tue Apr-29-08 01:54 PM
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15. Probably wrapped up the nomination |
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We'll see if this stops the bleeding. It should if the American public is paying attention.
Now the general election is a whole other kettle of fish. You would think this would be a non-issue by then unless some swift-boat type group runs ads and the public is willing to be swayed again by side issues.
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Tue Apr-29-08 01:55 PM
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16. Yup! Now Tamron Hall, MSNBC anchor, who went to Wright's church, agrees with Obama-that the |
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Wright she saw on tv yesterday was NOT the same guy she saw preaching in church. She got many messages on her Blackberry from friends who ALSO went there saying similar things.
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Tue Apr-29-08 02:08 PM
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34. This is great to hear! I hope this is the consensus. n/t |
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Tue Apr-29-08 01:55 PM
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17. we saw the same presser, right? |
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Game, set, match, my royal Irish ass. Rev Wright hasn't even responded yet.
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Tue Apr-29-08 01:58 PM
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26. Being at odds with the guy is not a bad thing. |
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Hillarites think that since they support Her Royal Clintonness, they get to be royal too.
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Wed Apr-30-08 09:31 AM
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58. I'm just wondering WTF that means! |
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Edited on Wed Apr-30-08 09:31 AM by redqueen
I know a few Irish people, and none of them have ever used that expression.
Plus, considering the relationship between the Irish and the most well-known royals in the world... well... :)
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Wed Apr-30-08 11:36 AM
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66. A thousand years ago, it was *very* good to be king in Ireland |
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The spawn of Brian Boru alone number in the millions.
I think that's where the "Royal Irish" thing comes from.
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I thought they were all Cheiftans of villages or some such.
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Tue Apr-29-08 02:00 PM
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30. So Rev Wright needs to respond? Who is in this race anyway? |
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19. AND, I think he deserves two MORE SD endorsements today...do I hear Tester from MT?? |
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25. I think we will see some more SDs come out now |
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Possible just waiting to see how he would handle this latest controversy. This all needs to be over so we can concentrate on beating McCain.
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23. If Hillary tries to keep the Wright issue alive, her end will just come sooner. |
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Tue Apr-29-08 01:58 PM
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24. well what about the preacher he's been listening to for 20 years? |
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oh, wait...
guess all we have to discuss are ISSUES now.
ahwelp!
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70. To paraphrase a different preacher: |
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That which you take in does not defile you. The only thing that can defile you is what comes out of your own mouth.
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Who are we talking about? If anything, Obama will be called seriously to task on his judgment here if he didn't know this guy was so whacked out as he was - after 20 years!
Press: Sen Obama, did you not know Rev Wright was this crazy?
Obama: Why no, I didn't.
Press: But you said he was like family! Like an uncle!
Obama: Well, yes.
Press: But you just said Wright's comments were “appalling” and “ridiculous”!
Obama: Well, yes.
Press: And you've been taking your children to hear Wright's "appalling and ridiculous" sermons for how long?
Obama: For years!
Press: And you have stayed part of his church, listening yourelf to those sermon sfor 20 years?
Obama: Well, yes.
Press: No more questions. You are officially in deep enough doo-doo already.
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71. That sure would be damning if you didn't pull it out of your ass. |
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Reality is nothing like you describe.
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Tue Apr-29-08 01:59 PM
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29. Can't wait to see the polls... |
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wonder if he'll take her up on her *begging* for free air time (another debate)...
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31. for those anticipating the Rev to drop some bombs in retaliation... |
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it will appear to be what it is...petty reaction...
the Rev's ammunition just got wet...and Barack isn't afraid to keep the spray on...
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Tue Apr-29-08 02:05 PM
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32. Just like Bill Clinton's apology |
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took Monica Lewinskiy off the table, right? Only assholes would keep pushing it, right?
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Tue Apr-29-08 02:42 PM
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40. Big Difference - They Tried To Put Wright's Words In Obama's Mouth... |
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-Insert joke here-
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48. the better analogy may be Gennifer Flowers |
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While Clinton denied he had an affair with Flowers in his famous 1992 interview on 60 Minutes, he also all but admitted that he had been unfaithful to HRC. But by dealing with it and having HRC stand by him, he essentially shut it down as an issue for the 1992 campaign.
Whether that is what happens in this instance is still up in the air. I certainly wouldn't be surprised for it to continue to be an issue in the GE because you'll have 527 groups running ads using it. But will it be a major issue for the rest of the primary season? That remains to be seen. FWIW, I don't think HRC has been putting Wright on the table that much -- its more that she gets asked about it.
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Wed Apr-30-08 01:28 PM
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79. "Only assholes would keep pushing it, right?" |
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Tue Apr-29-08 02:06 PM
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33. assholes pushed Monica. |
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and failed to remove Bill from office.
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Tue Apr-29-08 02:19 PM
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36. you mean she'll look pettier |
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she already looks petty..not to mention shallow, selfish, narcissistic, deceitful......
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Tue Apr-29-08 02:40 PM
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39. yay another crystal ball thread, really ... adds so much content >< . |
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42. So go play with Google |
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get yourself some content, tho with Opinions who needs content, eh?
But since he's already won, this may be the Coup de grace, and Brilliant!
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Tue Apr-29-08 02:43 PM
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41. it's a free country (right) |
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Wright can say what he wants, it's no reflection on Obama.
Obama can disagree with Wright but must defend free speech.
right you republican asshole lurkers
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Tue Apr-29-08 02:49 PM
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43. Too late for that. He can take anything he wants "off the table" The voters may not....nt |
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Tue Apr-29-08 03:38 PM
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45. Clintons can do brilliant and honest, candor, real emotions, authentic. |
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Remember this classic?
"This afternoon in this room, from this chair, I testified before the Office of Independent Counsel and the grand jury. I answered their questions truthfully, including questions about my private life, questions no American citizen would ever want to answer. Still, I must take complete responsibility for all my actions, both public and private. And that is why I am speaking to you tonight.
As you know, in a deposition in January, I was asked questions about my relationship with (you know who). While my answers were legally accurate, I did not volunteer information. Indeed, I did have a relationship with Ms. (you know who) that was not appropriate. In fact, it was wrong. It constituted a critical lapse in judgment and a personal failure on my part for which I am solely and completely responsible.
But I told the grand jury today and I say to you now that at no time did I ask anyone to lie, to hide or destroy evidence or to take any other unlawful action. I know that my public comments and my silence about this matter gave a false impression. I misled people, including even my wife. I deeply regret that."
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More brilliant candor follows.
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49. Now, see? The American public is always ready to forgive |
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and Bill was able to keep a 75% approval rating throughout the Impeachment process despite the Right Wing and Corpo media... This is what people seem to forget, that they KNEW it was a petty, bullshit bust by the RW & Media, and so they didn't fall for it...
Just like now, most "normal" folks are sick of the constant Harping by both Clinton and the MSM, like a bunch of magpies tearing apart a roadkill and chattering away...
Its just getting OLD, a nasty MSM chewtoy lathered with spit foam, we just don't CARE, what with gas at $4 a gallon troops dying, endless war, foreclosures, etc, frankly who gives a shit about some guy yattering in some church somewhere?
I like to think of how Homer Simpson acts in church, sure, he's THERE, but he's either sleeping or has the game on in his earjack..
Who REALLY listens in Church? The place where everyone's talking to the ceiling, and many times God's nowhere to be found :)
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Tue Apr-29-08 05:30 PM
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47. This is not going away anytime soon |
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Obama has said that his lack of experience can be disregarded by his superior judgment. The rethugs will continue to go after Obama by asking how good is his judgment by sitting in Rev. Wrights church for twenty years.
Rev. Wright isn't helping matters by insinuating that Obama basically agrees with him, but had to say what he did to get elected.
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51. A lot of those supporting other candidates are BITTER we took away their little toy |
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Tue Apr-29-08 06:43 PM
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52. When has Clinton ever minded looking petty? |
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:shrug: The woman has no shame. She's ruthless.
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Wed Apr-30-08 05:49 AM
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57. I don't want another President who has no shame. |
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54. Obama is toast. Get over yourself. |
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72. No, the ISSUE is toast. |
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55. the thing about having 4 aces is that the player often forgets the straight flush |
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Wed Apr-30-08 09:32 AM
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59. Republicans have resurrected the 60's. You're dreaming if you think Wright is "off the table". |
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61. Better thought is what's gonna be ON the table |
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When we have a clear shot at McBush.
Anyone who thinks the repubs have a stronger hand is...well...a REPUBLICAN.
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63. Yes, I agree. Whenever it will be brought up now, people will think |
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Wed Apr-30-08 11:05 AM
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65. Symbolman, I'm afraid you're optimistic. |
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It's not what Obama, or Clinton, or Wright or Limbaugh or anybody does that will matter. It's the electorate. The people too stupid to take their eyes off Miley Cyrus or Star Wars Night on <i>Deal or No Deal</i> to see that their country is dying.
I don't know if Obama will live long enough for the right wing to pull off his assassination. I think he may die of despair for this country before they get the chance to kill him.
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68. Your argument presupposes a certain capacity for shame, and HRC has no such thing. |
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Now even symbolman has drunk the kool-aide.
This place has gotten really depressing.
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76. "will look" petty? I'd say that ship has already sailed |
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she's taken "looking petty" to high art form.
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77. You mean God, Herself don't you? |
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Wed Apr-30-08 01:23 PM
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78. Sorry to disagree with you but this is still on the table because |
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obama did not answer the 3 questions, thus kept this issue alive. Those three are: Why did he stay a member of the congregation? Why didn't he speak up earlier? And why did he reward Rev. Wright with a campaign position even after knowing of his comments?
You all remember that obama said for the first time a few weeks ago that HAD Rev. Wright NOT recently resigned as pastor of the church, he would have withdrawn. But that only reraised the same questions: Why didn't he act before the resignation? obama had 16 years to speak out about the bigotry and racist remarks his pastor said, but obama sat in the pew and said nothing. After knowing about some of these sermons and having serious problems with some of their messages, why did Obama still decide to appoint Rev. Wright to his official presidential campaign religious advisory committee?(which obama had to resign him)
Which brings up the question, WHY NOW? We all know why now, but maybe you obama folk need to know that now obama is a seriously flawed candidate and I have to ask this question:
If our choices are doing the right thing and losing with Obama because fair is fair OR doing the wrong thing and winning with fewer-delegates Hillary, what should super-delegates do? I think you know my answer but maybe you obama folk need to re-examine yours. There are more questions on the table then there were before he held this whoremedia driven press conference.
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