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Araxen Donating Member (826 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:34 PM
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Well I guess we know now who wears the pants in the Edwards family
and it's Elizabeth. At least she has a spine and will come out and endorse Hillary. I sure hope John can come out and do the same instead of letting his wife do all the talking.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:35 PM
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1. screw that.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:39 PM
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2. At least she has a spine and will come out and endorse Hillary.
She was asked FOUR times by Norah "I love Hillary" O'Donnel if she would endorse Hillary, and Elizabeth Edwards shot her down four times in a row.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:40 PM
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3. Maybe Elizabeth Edwards doesn't get down with liars..
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zerostar Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 03:15 PM
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19. Then she can't endorse either!
OH DEH NOES!!!111
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 03:17 PM
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21. rofl
nice graphic zidzi. :spray:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 03:35 PM
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22. I'm passing it on from
Edited on Tue Apr-29-08 03:37 PM by zidzi
VolcanoJen. It says a thousand words..or more.

Like this body of work by zulchzulu..

zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-01-08 10:25 PM
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Handy Guide to Hillary Clinton's Bosnian Lie: The Faux Heroine of Tuzla
Hillary, The Faux Heroine of Tuzla

On March 17, 2008, Hillary Clinton said she "misspoke" when she repeated a harrowing description of her arrival in Bosnia 12 years ago, recounting a landing under sniper fire and that her group "ran with our heads down" from the plane to avoid sniper fire at the Tuzla Air Base.

She had actually repeated this story several times on the stump while campaigning in 2007 in Iowa and in prepared statements that can be found on her web site:


I certainly do remember that trip to Bosnia, and as Togo said, there was a saying around the White House that if a place was too small, too poor, or too dangerous, the president couldn't go, so send the First Lady. That’s where we went.

I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base.

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/speech/view/?id=6553


CBS exposes Hillary Clinton's lie in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BfNqhV5hg4

Another video analyzes the "story":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOsGo_HWP-c

In another incident, Hillary Clinton repeated the lie:


“I certainly do remember that trip to Bosnia,” she said last week. “There was a saying around the White House that if a place was too small, too poor, or too dangerous, the president couldn’t go, so send the First Lady.

“I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base.”

Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jB97_FMYVC4

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/24/clinton-m... /


Looking for any kind of excuse, Howard Wolfson pulled this comment from his usual location:


“It is possible in the most recent instance in which she discussed this that she misspoke in regard to the exit from the plane, but there is no question if you look at contemporaneous accounts that she was going to a potential combat zone, that she was on the front lines.”

- Howard Wolfson, Clinton spokesman

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/24/clinton-m... /


It wasn't the first time Hillary Clinton had a "misstatement" episode. She made mention of it when campaigning in Texas when she was rolling out the "3AM ad":


At the rally, she belittled the idea that Mr. Obama’s 2002 speech “at an antiwar rally” prepared him to serve as commander in chief. She said he was “missing in action” on the recent Senate vote on Iran and as chairman of a subcommittee responsible for NATO policy in Afghanistan.

Contrasting that with her own experience, she evoked foreign battlefields, recalling a trip to Bosnia as first lady, when the welcoming ceremony “had to be moved inside because of sniper fire.” She said she had traveled to more than 80 countries and was “on the front lines” as the United States made peace in Bosnia and Northern Ireland and helped save refugees from ethnic cleansing in Kosovo. She has served on the Armed Services Committee for five years and was also part of a Pentagon committee to plan for the military of the future.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/01/us/politics/01campaig...


She had brought up the lie when campaigning in Iowa in 2007:


Hillary on the stump in Iowa, 2007:
"We used to say in the White House that if a place is too dangerous, too small or too poor, send the First Lady."

Her most dangerous experience, by her own admission, was when she touched down in Tuzla Airport, Bosnia, in March, 1996 with comedian Sinbad, in tow. Hillary, using the vocabulary of a general, has frequently remarked on that turbulent C17 arrival, landing under enemy sniper fire, that befits the battle-hardened prestige of someone aspiring to to be our next commander-in-chief.

http://wizbangblue.com/2008/03/22/hillarys-bosnia-trip-...


Other people were on that trip such as the comedian Sinbad, who chimed in:


Sinbad, along with singer Sheryl Crow, was on that 1996 trip to Bosnia that Clinton has described as a harrowing international experience that makes her tested and ready to answer a 3 a.m. phone call at the White House on day one, a claim for which she's taking much grief on the campaign trail.

Harrowing? Not that Sinbad recalls. He just remembers it being a USO tour to buck up the troops amid a much worse situation than he had imagined between the Bosnians and Serbs.

In an interview with the Sleuth Monday, he said the "scariest" part of the trip was wondering where he'd eat next. "I think the only 'red-phone' moment was: 'Do we eat here or at the next place.'"

Sinbad added: "“What kind of president would say ‘Hey man, I can’t go ’cause I might get shot so I’m going to send my wife. Oh, and take a guitar player and a comedian with you.”

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/sleuth/2008/03/sinbad_un...


Who else is upset by Hillary Clinton's Tuzla lie? Ask the girl that Hillary kissed and gave flowers to, apparently under sniper fire:


The Bosnian girl who famously read a poem to Hillary Rodham Clinton during her 1996 visit to the war-torn country is shocked - and her countrymen infuriated - that the former first lady claimed to have dodged sniper fire that day.

Emina Bicakcic, now 20 and studying to become a doctor, told The Post she stood on the tarmac at the air base in Tuzla, greeted Clinton and even had time to share the lines of verse she’d written - all without fear of attack from an unseen enemy.

“I was surprised when I heard this,” Bicakcic said, referring to Clinton’s assertion that she braved snipers upon landing, ducking and sprinting to military vehicles.

Other Bosnians said they had one of two reactions to Clinton’s debunked action-hero account of her visit: laughter or anger.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/03312008/news/worldnews/fro...


Other Bosnians let their feelings be known:


Sema Markovic, 22, student: "It is an ugly thing for a politician to tell lies. We had problems for years, and I don't like when someone lies about them. It makes us look bad."

29-year-old Midhat Efendira: "It was a horrible lie."

Sead Numanovic, deputy editor-in-chief of Bosnia's largest newspaper: "We don't have space for someone's lies. Why is she so stupid?"

http://gawker.com/374052/bosnians-on-hil-we-cant-stanza

More video links:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMu9x8M1jp0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pef5AUt-tic

A spoof video on the event and story:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHVEDq6RVXc

An absolute skewering of the event by C. Hitchens:
http://www.slate.com/id/2187780 /

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5348113
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 03:48 PM
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23. That picture! ROFL!
:rofl:
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:52 PM
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6. really, thanks for that.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:53 PM
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8. N O'D is a die-hard Republican.
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bobbert Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 03:14 PM
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18. So did she endorse or not? The OP said 'will' before it ever happened.
If she did not endorse, then that would make this thread really funny
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 04:21 PM
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26. Not!
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:45 PM
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4. I've seen many picture of both John and Elizabeth
and they both wear pants.

As to John endorsing HRC or Obama...He doesn't need to and it doesn't make him any lesser for it.

Just as Nobel Prize winning, former VP and US Sen from Tennessee Al Gore's refusal to endorse doesn't make him lesser for it.

on note: I voted for Edwards and I'm not particularly enthralled with either remaining candidate. I will be voting for the nominee of the Democratic Party come November.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 04:56 PM
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34. My sentiments exactly!
I'm so happy to see more of "us" speaking up! One would otherwise think this board was exclusively for the Obama and Clinton camps!

Right on! Well said!
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:51 PM
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5. Wow, haven't heard the 'wears the pants' sexist expression in a while! nt
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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:52 PM
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7. There's a sexist comment.
Are all men with powerful wives spineless whatevers? What would Bill say?
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:57 PM
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9. I greatly admire how she came to Barack Obama's defense re the media...n/t
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:57 PM
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10. So does Hillary wear the pants or does Bill?
Are they Levi Dockers or Wal-Mart Blue jeans?

What color are the pants? Do either of them go commando when
wearing the pants? If Elizabeth wears pants what does John wear?


I'm a confused shopper of pants.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:59 PM
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 04:14 PM
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24. Looks like hilly wears 'em.


<snip>

"Clinton, during a late December campaign appearance in Iowa, described a hair-raising corkscrew landing in war-torn Bosnia, a trip she took with her then-teenage daughter, Chelsea. "They said there might be sniper fire," Clinton said.

Threat of bullets? Sinbad doesn't remember that, either.

"I never felt that I was in a dangerous position. I never felt being in a sense of peril, or 'Oh, God, I hope I'm going to be OK when I get out of this helicopter or when I get out of his tank.'"

In her Iowa stump speech, Clinton also said, "We used to say in the White House that if a place is too dangerous, too small or too poor, send the First Lady."

Say what? As Sinbad put it: "What kind of president would say, 'Hey, man, I can't go 'cause I might get shot so I'm going to send my wife...oh, and take a guitar player and a comedian with you.'"

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/sleuth/2008/03/sinbad_unloads_on_hillary_clin.html
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islandmkl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:59 PM
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11. my dog does ALL the panting around our house...
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 03:01 PM
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13. she specifically did not endorse Hillary. nice try.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 03:03 PM
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14. Since HER health is is jeopardy, she's the one who should speak out
She's been an advocate for a long time..
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 03:03 PM
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15. John Edwards' pimp hand is not strong!
Geez. "Wears the pants"? Call me crazy, but maybe they each have ideas of their own.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 03:05 PM
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16. More sexist crap. You should be ashamed of yourself.
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Araxen Donating Member (826 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 03:10 PM
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17. Nope, I'm not.
It's the truth and the truth hurts sometimes.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 04:56 PM
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35. Very asshole-ish.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 04:58 PM
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38. the truth? Why is it so hard to say "it's my opinion, it's what I believe"?
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 04:59 PM
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39. Its an idiot troll.
Thankfully for real Obama supporters here, the avatar has been changed.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 03:16 PM
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20. Um.... she hasn't endorsed Hillary.......
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 04:18 PM
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25. Disgusting. So, I suppose women should be in the kitchen, bare foot
and pregnant.. Disgusting.. and for the record.. she supports her healthcare policy, she has not endorsed anyone... Some people are smart enough to push and set policy agenda and not care who is actually in the WhiteHouse.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 04:22 PM
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27. How very sexist of you.
Did it ever occur to you that there ARE couples who consider themselves equals, and not joined at the hip?

No? Didn't think so.

:puke:

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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 04:47 PM
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28. you know she will?
interesting
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DawgHouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 04:51 PM
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29. It's 2008.
Women have been wearing pants for a while now.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 04:53 PM
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30. ...
:wtf:
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 04:54 PM
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31. Fuck this sexist bullshit
Jeeeeeebus! Hell in a handbasket... minds in the gutter... trash in the mouth (keyboard).

I hope John NEVER endorses ANYONE! His politics are so far removed from either candidate it isn't even funny. Insulting him, and us, is just fucking stupid when you understand what the real deal is.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 04:55 PM
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32. What is wrong with you? They are TWO seperate and intelligent people.
That was some sexist shit.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 04:55 PM
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33. My grandfather use to say, "I wear the pants in this family". My grandmother use to say............
"Yes, but I pick them out for you."
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 04:57 PM
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37. Haha!
We may be cousins... I know I've heard that one before:) Good one!
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 04:57 PM
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36. do you have a link that she is endorsing Hillary?
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Yossariant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 05:02 PM
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41. Today's NYT:
"As North Carolina Primary Looms, Eyes on Edwards

...

Mr. Edwards has hinted to friends that he will not offer an endorsement before the North Carolina and Indiana primaries on May 6.

One former aide said that Mr. Edwards is angling for a role in a Democratic administration, and with the contest still undecided, he is hesitant to commit to a candidate...

On the other hand, Mrs. Edwards, her husband’s closest and most trusted adviser, has made it clear that she favors Mrs. Clinton; aides said she has recently tried to persuade Mr. Edwards to do the same.

Even if he remains neutral, her endorsement would carry weight, some voters suggested..."
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/29/us/politics/28cnd-campaign.html?_r=1&ex=1367121600&en=77a5b314a1935632&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&oref=slogin
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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 04:59 PM
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40. Elizabeth just endorsed Hillary?
Link please.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 05:03 PM
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42. I get the impression John won't be endorsing the candidate without a conscience.
"I didn't hear these kinds of attacks from Senator Clinton when she was ahead," Edwards said. "Every time he speaks out for change, every time I fight for change, the forces of status quo are going to attack -- every single time."

And then there's also this...

"I think that voters have to ask themselves is: do you believe that the candidate who's raised the most money from Washington lobbyists, Democrat or Republican, the candidate who's raised the most money from the health industry, drug companies, health insurance companies, the candidate who's raised the most money from the defence industry, Republican or Democrat - and the answer to all of those questions is: that's Senator Clinton. Will she be the person who brings about the change in this country? You know, I believe in Santa Claus. I believe in the tooth fairy. But I don't think that's going to happen. I really don't. I think that if people want the status quo, Senator Clinton is your candidate." -- John Edwards
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 05:03 PM
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43. She hasn't endorsed anyone, GET A CLUE!
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 05:10 PM
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44. wow that is some offensive shit
Edited on Tue Apr-29-08 05:12 PM by Kali

If I were your wife I'd kick your ass while wearing a dress.
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 05:25 PM
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45. sexist flamebait and besides EE didn't endorse
oh- I thought I hit the alert button. Might as well post my feelings here.

You are a real jerk.
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