Edwards is the VP that the Americans deserve!

[cidliz2004]

Edwards can do the soundbite communicating that most Americans will depend on for thier vote. Edwards is definetly NOT THE BEST QUALIFIED. It is obvious that this is a "Beauty Pagent" of sorts. Not much substance needed, just the magic word "CHARISMA" If you have got that you will succeed in Politics. Don't worry about knowledge of anything having to do with Government in particular. Take a 5 year stint and turn it into the top spot. No need for excellence in ANY part of the Government.

The dumber we become the more "lightweight" our candidates become. Kerry is struggling because he is NOT very lightweight or charismatic. Enter stage left Edwards to the rescue. Edwards probably would have been an awesome political leader in another term or two, now though, it is nothing short of a joke. The man is brilliant, just not knowledgeable enough for the position that he is trying to attain. The Right is already talking about his inexperience. Bush is already "reclaiming" his Wartime President title, why not - Kerry hasn't captured the National Security issue - Edwards certainly will NOT help Kerry in that area.

The rest of it will DEPEND on Iraq, Iran, North Korea and Osamma. Believe me there is more in store for us that will probably rally the good dumb Americans around the Bush Flag.

Don't forget something....Cheney doesn't have to be asked to leave by Bush, all he has to do is get a doctor's note saying that he cannot do another 4 years in the White House because of health issues. I can hear it now "Being the VP is too important to jepordize our Nation. If something were to happen to the President (I hope against hope) we need the security of a smooth transition of power to the VP." For the sake of the country, Cheney will step down - enter left....McCain...down goes Kerry/Edwards. Hope that this doesn't happen BUT Edwards is too weak of a Candidate for Foreign Policy Credibility and Kerry has already proven to be shown to be "moderate" at best.

The deal is National Security and Kerry cannot do it by himself, Edwards added NOTHING.

IF we have no more terror attacks, Iraq quiets down, Osamma doesn't get found, Iran, North Korea, Syria...stay quiet, the Olympics goes O.K. (or all of the people boo the Americans), The conventions go O.K., then Kerry/Edwards MAY have a chance. Remember though, we all value for our safety and security, before our pocketbooks.


cidliz2004

[JI7]

1. maybe if people would stop repeating right wing lies

such as kerry can't do it on his own. edwards has no experience. etc.

[newsguyatl]

2. sounds like a

chapter straight from bush/cheney04 INC.

[cidliz2004]

6. Believe me, I hate Bush

there is no way that I am for this group of creeps. What I posted though is my worry about what will happen with the vulnerability of this ticket. The "world" as we know it is not a safe place anymore and the Dems have the reputation of being "weak" on defense. Combine that with the absolute corruptness and desperateness of the WH - well disaster can easily follow causing us this election.

Kerry is making a HUGE gamble. I fear the odds are against him. In a pre 9/11 world this may have worked out. NOW - well all we can do is keep our fingers crossed.

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4. If Cheney's foregin policy experience is so valuable,

Cheney has a lot of foereign policy experience. He used to be Secretary of Defense.

But if Cheney's foreign policy experience is so valuable, why didn't things go better in Afghanistan and Iraq?

Howard Dean doesn't have foreign policy experience, but he was able to figure out that the US shouldn't invade Iraq.

[Nicholas_J]

11. Dean figured that out

After the fact. Before the invasion there arenumerous quotes whith Dean saying he approved of unilateral attacks on Iraq if they did not abide by U.S. demands to disarm and U.N. demands to send in inspectors.

[Jai4WKC08]

19. Political luddite n/t

[Mad As Hell]

5. You're wrong.

Bush won on his pretty (NOT) phony face. Kerry/Edwards makes Bush/Cheney look like a couple of losers. These thugs have failed at everything they have tried to do except for tax cuts and giveaways to corporate America. Bush/Cheney are losers.

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[JI7]

8. agree, there have been more than usual

they post right wing talking points and act as if they did not really know it came from right wingers and give the same old "i just want to win" to try to defend what they did.

[cidliz2004]

9. Who is trolling?

If this is referring to my post, then all I can IS THIS THE DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND? If we cannot speak openly and honestly about our feeling then, what does this country stand for? There are many of us "disenchanted" Kerry supporters out here beleive me. People that were working hard getting endorsements now are saying that the "Dems have their vote and that is it". Others are saying that their wallet is closed to the Presidential Campaign and will be going to the local races. Sorry, but there are us Dems that are not too pleased with our Ticket. The first punch came when the primaries were cut short (and believe me they were cut short) and the second punch came now. ABB is getting old and worn out, but it seems that is just about all that we have left to motivate us. Us political "junkies" were looking for much more substance in our ticket.

[JI7]

10. sorry, but Kerry and Edwards are doing VERY WELL

just because you don't like them doesn't mean much. the fact is they are doing much better than could be expected. and hopefully will continue to. they have HUGE crowds and they are getting great reviews from those who see them.

[LTR]

12. Spam much lately?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=574355&mesg_id=574662&page=

Edwards is the running mate. Get over it.

[bitchkitty]

13. That's a myth -

" enter left....McCain...down goes Kerry/Edwards."

Don't discount Edwards. Never underestimate the power of a charming man. John E is not only very fine, he's very charming.

[cornfedyank]

14. American foreign policy is too important to be left to extremists

shrub et al had their shot at mt rushmore , just like President ron before them. The facts are they blew it.

a little civil aid after ousting the soviets would have won enough hearts and minds to prevent a lot of crap. shrub did the same thing.

Instead of this damn tangent into iraq, we could have used the post 911 warm fuzzies in a much more productive way. say reopen some old trade routes so people could build lives. but do we have those civil funds? no!! cause we diverted them to start a war in iraq.

wonder why they say we love americans but ...
cause our foreign policy reminds one of a teenager learning to drive a stick shift. in two words: herky jerky.

that was cute while we were a young nation. but like the new puppy we have soiled the carpet too often. as an adolescent, me thinks we are perceived as a bully.

The American people need to take control, show the world that we can do preventative nonviolent maintenace on our system. then maybe some of them can calm down just a tadbit.

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[ibegurpard]

16. nice try

but most of the people who were intensely involved in vice-presidential "competition" on this forum have already come out and stated they fully support this ticket.

[troublemaker]

17. cidliz2004 is a Clarkie, not a troll

As a Clark supporter I'm sort of disappointed in this post. I don't care for Edwards myself, but I understand the concept of "yesterday."

[cidliz2004]

18. I go to Kerry meetups and even remind people to go

I joined our local Democrats to register people to vote. I follow the news daily and am an avid supporter of removing Bush from office.
I am surprised however, on how quickly people here fall in line. I believe that stating your views, whether they be fears, anger or joy are what is usually called "good discussion". Edwards was chosen--a week ago? All of us who supported other candidates are supposed to just "get over it" in a matter of DAYS? I was much more invested in my choice than to sigh and move on in a matter of days. The mourning period for Reagan isn't even over yet! Give some of us REALLY LOYAL campaigners some space. Allow us to vent. Allow us to raise LEGITIMATE issues and concerns - PERSUADE US that we are wrong - - -Isn't THAT how you win elections?

I see enough HATE on the Repubs side, are we the same? From some of the replies to this message, it looks like the answer is YES. Many of us are NOT HAPPY with this ticket, are we so expendable that you just choose to INSULT us because we aren't "YES SIRring" it fast enough for you?

Why don't you answer to my concerns - individually - instead of just discounting the whole post?

I have been arguing point by point with Bush supporters since he was elected - I have even opened some of their eyes. Why don't you try to do the same. THAT IS HOW WE'LL WIN THIS ELECTION arguing points not slamming and name-calling

cidliz2004
A Wes Clark Supporter
AND DAMN PROUD OF IT!

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[Jai4WKC08]

21. Amen! n/t

[PA Democrat]

22. Cheney has a track record of total failure in foreign policy

Cheney and Bush are so hated around the world that it is the kiss of political death for any politician to be seen as cooperating with them.

Edwards is a skilled negotiator and communicator, and is a quick study.

So the choice is more of the same foreign policy of hubris, arrogance, and unnecessary war, or a new policy put forth by someone with the skills and intelligence to restore America's standing in the world.