Clark?

[SixShooter]

Forgive me Clarkies..but whats all this about Clark? You all know that Clark probably wasnt going to be chosen anyway...I have no idea why everyone freaked out after the choice was announced and went, "Why didnt he pick Clark"....It was either Vilsack, Gep, or JEdwards....as far as I know..

am I missing something?

[brainshrub]

1. I haven't seen the word "Clarkies" since the great thread-war of Dec '03.

It brings back memories. Oh how naive we were back then.

Sigh.

:eyes:

[juajen]

3. What threads have you been reading?

I'm a Clarkie and that word is used continuously on DU. I was disappointed that my first choice didn't make it, but Edwards was my second choice and I think he's great. I certainly hope that my party makes good use of the brilliant and beautiful General. Our party is very fortunate to have soooo many great democrats. Let's hope that the JJ administration makes good use of all of this talent. BTW, I love those iniitials on a personal basis, and I absolutely love this ticket.

[Dookus]

2. nah

the vast majority of Clark supporters here didn't think he'd get the nomination, though we held out some hope. There's only one or two die-hards who seem to have difficulty getting over it.

[Tweed]

4. I haven't seen any 'why not Clark threads' and I certainly don't see any

on the first page of the General Discussion page. Would you care to point them out?

[Cuban_Liberal]

5. Simple search returns the following:

Try these on for size, since they fit the general criteria:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=570541

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=574502

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=574398

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=574678

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=574355

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=572722

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[Cuban_Liberal]

7. You asked; I answered. n/t

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[salonghorn70]

8. I Was For Clark

I didn't freak out. I thought Edwards was a great choice.

[Doosh]

9. Clark

was never given serious consideration for VP, but I say he's a lock that he'll end up being Kerry's national security advisor.

how about head of the CIA?

[Cuban_Liberal]

10. Clark will certainly be part of the Kerry Administration.

NSA, UN Ambassador, Ambassador to Iraq, etc. .

[dogman]

11. Probably just a lot of us had hope

for this country. We hoped it wasn't politics as usual, but that is naive, because all it is is politics. The country had an oppurtunity for a higher standard of leadership. It's not hard to realize the shallowness of the electorate and the fact is American Idol is more relevant to many people than what has happened in Iraq. The object is to oust Bushco but after that we have a lot of housecleaning to do in the Democratic Party. We need more than mere cosmetic coverups of this nations problems.

[Nashyra]

12. Great response

disappointed or not as a Clark supporter I am actively working for the Kerry/Edwards team. It would be nice to be contacted by some zealous Edwards people in my area to help galvanize the get out and vote, it was the Clark people after Clark left the presidential field who jumped on the Kerry bandwagon and continued to make things happen here in my community, and we still are.

[cidliz2004]

21. Great Post

Clark was not a hero and answer to this countries pressing problems on a superficial level. Clarkies (for the most part) are not a group of superficial hero worshippers. We genuinely believed in this brilliant man, we genuinely believed that because this man is such a great gift to this country, many many people would appreciate him and rally to him as we did. This great patriotic man motiviated people who NEVER were involved in politics to BECOME INVOLVED for the first time in thier lives. Unlike Bush, we went to Clark because he spoke the TRUTH when it wasn't popular and there was no other leaders giving our feelings a voice. We went to Clark because as the lone voice, he gave hope, because he saw what we saw. Like Dean, he led in his vision of the disaster in Iraq. Like Dean, he had the courage to speak out, when OUR SENATORS VOTED AND SUPPORTED US GOING TO WAR IN IRAQ. Unlike Dean, Wes Clark also had mountions of knowledge to actually know how to start to repair the problems that we now face. Wes Clark had unparalleled experience in Foreign Policy - He lived abroad a great deal and dealt with foreign leaders on a day to day basis. He lived in Washington D.C. and was intimately familiar with more than one administration. He truly was a man of the world with a unique outlook because of extensive living abroad.

He had unique qualities to offer us at a time when we really needed them most. Unfortunately - The American People and the Politicians chose to go with "Politics as usual" Our idealism in thinking that quality would win out was crushed. We believe in Wes Clark and there are a core of us that know deep in our hearts and souls that a great man has just been kicked to the curb. A man that gave us 38 years of his life and served our country with honor. We are wounded to our souls for our lost hopes and for this man's dissappointment.

We haven't said that we would support Bush or Nader, we are just saying that we are sad for what could have been. We had more trust in the political process in our country.

7 days, 9 days, 12 days....is that really too much to ask for when mourning a loss of so much?

[Mobius]

22. Cant even hope to top that.

You put so well, and in such a functional way, what I have desperately been trying to say.
Thank You Very Much

[juajen]

24. Thanks for me, too

I will always love the General.

[Jai4WKC08]

26. Well said

Thank you.

It's not about not letting go, altho I suppose there's an element of that. And it's not about one man, altho I doubt there are many men who could have inspired us the way Wes Clark has, and continues to. It's about mourning the loss of an ideal, that substance could count more than form, that it didn't have to be "just politics" this time around.

I'll vote for Kerry/Edwards. I don't know many "Wes Clark democrats" who won't. But don't expect me to get excited about it.

[Pepperbelly]

13. flame bait ... pfft ... nt

[Sparkly]

16. Completely...

No reason to fight each other, especially not at this point -- so let's not pick fights.

[Toucano]

17. Please provide an example of...

"...everyone freaked out after the choice was announced..."

I don't recall that happening.

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[Mobius]

19. agreed

nt

[zulchzulu]

20. OK, not picked officially so far...

I certainly can see Wesley Clark as an integral part of the Kerry administration. No worries...

[sadiesworld]

23. I didn't KNOW that Clark wouldn't be chosen.

In fact, as events unfolded he seemed like the most logical choice.

As for Clarkies expressing their disappointment, it became clear w/i moments of the announcement (actually even before the formal VP announcement) that our opinions were not welcome. Which is especially ironic considering that people STILL post regularly expressing their unhappiness w/ Kerry. Also kind of funny when you look at the Gep thread from that morning...nary a rebuke for all of those who cried "Oh no, not him".

What I tend to recall from the morning of the veep announcement...the "Eat shit, Clarkies" thread, the pic of Edwards hold a "You've been served, Clarkies" paper/warrant. Talk about graciousness in victory. :eyes:

Finally, it seems that many of the Clarkies have left. Not permanently I hope b/c the collective IQ appears to have dropped around here w/o them.

[JI7]

25. most Clark supporters are not complaining

most clark supporters have easily moved on to supporting kerry/edwards. there might be some disappointment he wasn't picked for vp but the same would have been true for those that supported others for vp. there were a few threads complaining about kerry's vp pick but i would say over 90 percent of clark supporters have moved on.

there were a few who were pretty anti edwards before kerry announced his decision but they were the same few and they seemed to have left mostly. but even then i remember many clark supporters trying to reason with them into supporting whoever kerry picks.

in fact there is more acceptance of edwards than there was of kerry when he became the presumed nominee on here and it went on for months and still goes on in here.