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veracity Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 03:46 PM
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Outrageous censorship on the John Kerry forum!
Edited on Sat Jul-10-04 04:00 PM by veracity
Talk about democracy!

I posted an editorial that appeared on TvNewslies.org, and has been reprinted by Buzzflash, WhatReallyHappened, and dozens of PRO KERRY/EDWARDS web sites.

The article was a condemnation of the media attack on Edwards, and showed how they have totally ignored Cheney's record for three and a half years. The article, using a parody approach, suggested that NO candidate that Kerry would have chosen would have escaped an attack... not even if Kerry had chosen Jesus as a running mate.

The article was respectful of the philosophy of Jesus, and showed how he might have been attackd for his ideas on peace, love, and concern for others.

And guess what! The article was removed and I received a message stating that the article was "inappropriate." When I inquired further, I was told the following:

"... it's not so much pro-JK/JE as it is poking fun at Christians. Not all Christians are right wing neo cons! "

And that's Bull! There is NOT ONE SENTENCE poking fun at Christians, - only critizing the media. The grievance procedure at the forum is zilch. You cannot appeal, and if you post a criticsm of the administrator, it's considered another infraction. Zounds!

Here's the article. It's been on this forum and was well received. Please tell me if I'm nuts, or whether democracy is dead in some places.

http://www.tvnewslies.org/html/what_if_kerry_chose_jesus_.html
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billybob537 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 03:49 PM
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1. Link not working.
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 03:52 PM
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4. Try this one
Edited on Sat Jul-10-04 03:53 PM by no name no slogan
http://www.tvnewslies.org/html/what_if_kerry_chose_jesus_.html

It's on the front page of www.tvnewslies.org

:)

I could maybe see Kerry's site not running it because it brings up the ever-touchy religion issue, and Allah forbid we have any controversy this year. My $.02 is all.
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 03:50 PM
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2. They probably are figuring that Republicans
Edited on Sat Jul-10-04 03:53 PM by calico1
are monitoring the site for any "material." Why give them any? Also many undecideds might be looking too. So they are probably just being cautious.

(Edit for spelling)
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 03:51 PM
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3. hey, it's THEIR popstand
if you disagree with their take of what is appropriate for their forum, don't go there. That article had plenty of exposure elsewhere.

I don't know what you expected.
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veracity Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 04:05 PM
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5. I suppose I expected some intelligence....
Removing an article under a false accusation of "making fun of Christianity" is an outrage on a forum that is connected to the John Kerry campaign itself. It's not just some private forum....
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 04:18 PM
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7. Sigh....
Okay, I guess I am not intelligent.
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Hoping4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 04:20 PM
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8. Kerry is a practising Catholic and the article from a
Edited on Sat Jul-10-04 04:20 PM by Hoping4Change
Catholic point of view blasphemes the name of God. You may not share that sensibility but many do.
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veracity Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 04:29 PM
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10. How is Jesus or God blasphemed?
Please be specific. My Catholic friends loved the article. I'll get you their comments if you'd like.
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Hoping4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 04:58 PM
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13. from "CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH"
"The Lord's name is holy." For this reason man must not abuse it. He must keep it in mind in silent, loving adoration. He will not introduce it into his own speech except to bless, praise, and glorify it."


http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s2c1a2.htm
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benddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 04:16 PM
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6. The person who removed it is wrong
It isn't attacking Jesus it is an attack on the SCLM. They are being too pc and scared
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Gyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 04:24 PM
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9. I agree
Let us decide whether it's a stupid reference on not. If we can't have open forums here then where?

Gyre
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veracity Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 04:37 PM
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11. Update.... got a note from the chief honcho...
I posted a grievance...which was removed, of course, but not before the chief honcho of the forum (not one of the underlings who removed the article) emailed me. He wanted a copy of the original post, saying he was disturbed by its being removed, I just sent it. Let's see if democracy reigns or not.

I'll post the final chapter. Still wating to hear what was blasphemy in the article. Geez,
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Hoping4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 05:21 PM
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14. I posted an answer to why it is blasphemy.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 04:57 PM
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12. They're in a situation where they have to err on the side of caution.
They're in a situation where they have to err on the side of caution.

You can post the article here and reach plenty of people, but an official campaign website has to be super-careful.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 05:47 PM
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15. That forum has always been very strange.
Your article was fabulous. One of the problems with JK Campaign are some of the inexperienced kid decision makers.I could tell you stories...And the sad part is, it is the Campaigns loss.
I thought it was just me until I heard Ed Rendell address this issue and it was exactly that sort of thing that cost us 2000.
And BTW, I was Catholic too, and this piece is NOT offensive!
.
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cidliz2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 12:09 AM
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18. That forum is pretty useless
They are so into thier censorship - to the extreme - that it is a forum that should be for a Republican Candidate and not a Democratic Candidate.

I gave up on it when my resume for Wes Clark was "deleted" a few days after it had been posted. There are ongoing problems in that forum that are totally beyond recourse by posters. Unless you know of somebody in the campaign that has some actual authority - forget about it.

cidliz2004
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Still_Loves_John Donating Member (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 05:53 PM
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16. Well the forum is basically an extension of the campaign
They're worried that Rush will be citing articles "From John Kerry's website, ladies and gentlemen."

Anything posted in the forum can be considered approved by the John Kerry campaign, and they better be making sure there's nothing edgy on there. I think it's ridiculous to have a forum at all, because it's basically inviting people to post far out stuff there. I mean, if some guy posted some long rant on how the Illumaniti are controlling George Bush, or how all the workers of the world should unite and crush their corporate oppressors, they better take it off.

Not that I'm saying your post was that extreme, but you get the idea.
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flaminbats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 06:38 PM
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17.  DU is 1 of the sites that treats those without money with some fairness.
Have you donated to the Kerry campaign, and are you considered one of the top contributers? Administrators usually kiss the asses of the highest campaign donors, and love to kick the asses of any freeloading posters available. But remember..it is Kerry's board they are paying for! Believe me I have been kicked off such message boards for posting less.

It was a great article, too bad the Kerry adminstrators just can't be Christian enough to read it! :nopity:
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