Would you rather have Kerry or Nader as President?

[ButterflyBlood]

Kerry. Even if we assume Nader isn't a right wing plant, his egomania wouldn't let him get shit done. He'd just rip the nation apart even further.

[w13rd0]

1. I voted Kerry...

...and I'm not even that fond of Kerry. Used to admire Nader, but something has missfired up there in his noggin.

[Dookus]

2. Nader

has no business even thinking he could be President. He has no constituency, no allies, no experience, and absolutely an awful temperament for the job.

[elcondor]

4. I agree

I didn't used to be a huge fan of Kerry, but I truly think he will be a great president. If Nader ever got elected he would be the most lame-duck president of all time.

[NNadir]

3. Why assume that Nader isn't a right wing plant?

Of course he is.

His qualification as President is that he has long been a smoother embezzler than George W. Bush. I very much doubt that Nader will continue to get away with it though. He survived this long by avoiding scrutiny of his practices. Assuming that the paranoid corrupt flake could actually win an election (and such an assumption would amount to a form of insanity worthy only of Nader-Cheney-Bush) he would be subject to scrutiny. He wouldn't be able to stand it.

I note too, that most people who have actually personally known and worked with Ralph Nader, have ended up sooner or later despising him. (A recent article in Salon covered this ground nicely.) This is hardly a lighted path to accomplishment and success. Just ask the Bushies.

[JHBowden]

5. Kerry all the way.

Nader cares more about ideas (and his ego) and lacks concern for ordinary people. Morality becomes perverted when it is divorced from people, and that certainly would be the case with Nader. As a result, I don't want Nader anywhere near that kind of power.

[formactv]

6. Yes

[demwing]

14. Lol! I GET it! /nt

[qazplm]

7. Nader would just get bored

just like he has with every other project he has started.

He would only care if it dealt with corporations, anything else wouldnt interested him...choice, affirmative action, judiciary, defense, etc...all those things would be secondary and he wouldnt have a plan.

[Zynx]

8. Kerry. This isn't even close.

I would rather vote for Joe Lieberman than Ralph Nader.

[bigwillq]

9. Without a doubt

my choice would be Kerry.

From what I saw of Nader's debate with Dr. Dean, Nader looked more like a right wing puppet.

[Lefty Pragmatist]

10. Nader vs Lieberman would be a better poll for DU.

I can see that one breaking 50/50.

[zulchzulu]

19. More like Nader vs. Zell Miller

Which butthead would be a better turncoat to get the Chimp back in the White House?

It's a tie.

[feistydem]

11. Nader has gone off the deep end...

which is too bad. He's squandered his legacy by not being able to let go of his self-important ambitions. Instead of continuing as a tireless advocate for the underdog, he's become a delusional megalomaniac with a chip on his shoulder.

[Andromeda]

12. Whaaaa???

Sixteen people voted for Nader? :wtf: All I can say is they must not know too much about him then, or they are only remembering when he was a crusader for the downtrodden masses who were victims of heartless corportations.

I used to have a lot of respect for Nader back in the good old days when he was a consumer advocate but that has become a distant memory because he has done such a complete one-eighty.

He has become obsessed, and so consumed with self-importance he is incapable of seeing of the detrimental effect he is having on the election. He doesn't really care about people on a personal level and has little compassion for those whose health and welfare will be jeopardized by another Bush term. He is tone-deaf to anything that doesn't fit into his plans and blind to way the negative way people are reacting to him.

[fujiyama]

13. Kerry

I was especially impressed with him and Teresa on CNN the other day.

I liked the response he gave for what he thought happened on 9/11. He said, he could tell immediately that it wasn't "pilot error". I'm prone to be skeptical of politicians' sincerity, but I really believe there was a stern competance in him. I also don't believe he'd sit in a classroom for 7 minutes absolutely cluess reading a book about a goat.

As for Nader, he's a has been. He's a hack, that gets money from RWers, gets airtime by Rupert Murdoch, and has no clue on how politics works. I also don't trust his temprement. While he definetely wouldn't be as bad a president as Bush, there are some similarilties between him and Bush -- he has a HUGE ego and is extremely arrogant. He's like Cheney in some ways also -- when he can't criticize someone substantively, he goes after irrelevant things -- like Michael Moore's weight.

[CaTeacher]

15. Nader could not govern

I don't think Nader is a RW hack, he had been true to the same message for nearly 30 years.

However, I do not think he is capable of governing. I don't see him as a great leader. Also, if he was lucky enough to get elected (as a Green), he would have no congress. Would the Democrats and Republicans support him or give him gridlock? He would not have any Senators etc supporting him, much less majorities.

It would be very hard to govern in the current system....he would be a quite powerless president. But--I do not criticize the man, he does have principles, and he is quite true to them.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

16. Nad(i)r

Ewwwwwwwwwww

[MessiahRp]

22. Beyond that

the man seems incapable of dealing with anyone who doesn't agree with his point of view. That's an absolutely impossible way to act when you're supposed to be a President of all people.

Nader's self-righteous, pompousness would not make for a good President.

Rp

[oasis]

17. Nader's 15 minutes are coming to an end.

[zulchzulu]

18. Nader would SUCK as a president

Based on his delusional, egomaniacal childishness, he would suck.

He's not a leader. He's just as much of a "corporatist" as any that he points his miserly finger at. He's a goddamn phony asshole.

[PopSixSquish]

20. Is This a Trick Question? n/t

[dolstein]

21. Newsflash: Nader doesn't WANT to be president

I honestly think that if polls showed that Nader had a shot of getting elected, he wouldn't run. I don't think he actually wants the responsibility that comes with holding elective office. Running as a third party candidate gives him the "freedom" to rant and rave about corporatist corruption without having the responsibility to advocate proposals that actually stand a chance of passing. This is why he has publicly stated that he wouldn't accept any position in a Kerry administration. It's why he's never sought an office (e.g., House of Representatives, the Senate) that he could conceivably get elected to. Now perhaps years ago it might have made sense to argue that he would have greater influence outside of government, but that is obviously not the case now -- now he has absolutely NO influence on government, and his latest third party bid isn't likely to change that.

[NoPasaran]

23. Kerry, obviously

Nader is no more qualified to be president than I am.

[Jai4WKC08]

24. I'd vote for Bush before I'd vote for Nader

And then I'd move to New Zealand.

OK, not really about the voting for Bush part. But probably true about the moving.

[Zhade]

25. Push-poll much?

Edited to add: Nader can fuck himself, but this is a pointless vanity thread I should have ignored.