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Mon Jul-12-04 05:12 PM
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New Zogby for WSJ shows Kerry +3 in battleground states |
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over 3 weeks ago, holding the lead in 12 of 16 when he previously had the lead in 9. http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/info-battleground04.html :-)
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Mon Jul-12-04 05:12 PM
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1. oops, sorry about that |
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Don't know how that happened.
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Mon Jul-12-04 05:13 PM
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2. I still think Nevada will go for Kerry. |
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I'm impressed that Tenn is even at this point.
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Mon Jul-12-04 05:17 PM
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3. A smart lawyer friend who voted for Bush in 2000 thinks |
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Kerry's gonna win. I just now talked with him about politics for 25 minutes.
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Mon Jul-12-04 05:20 PM
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6. Hmm, I know a smart lawyer who thinks Kerry's going to win as well |
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I'll ask him again tomorrow morning when I see him again. We meet every day when it's time to shave. LOL
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Mon Jul-12-04 05:19 PM
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4. Yay! That makes all of the sweating we did as about 30 of us walked |
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Edited on Mon Jul-12-04 05:19 PM by patrice
the neighborhoods with America Votes in Independence Mo. in 90's heat and humidity worthwhile!
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Mon Jul-12-04 05:19 PM
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5. Anybody know about Nader? |
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In which of these states is the scumbag on the ballot?
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Jersey Devil
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Mon Jul-12-04 05:22 PM
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8. Zogby says Nader gives Bush the lead in Ark |
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and gets 5.9% in Nevada, so there are at least two at this point that the SOB is screwing up.
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Mon Jul-12-04 05:22 PM
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7. about 6 weeks ago I read where some pundit wrote |
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(sorry I read and discount so many it's hard to keep track) regarding the alleged dead heat in the polls, "Kerry's number is a floor, Bush's number are a ceiling." In other words no one who is undecided is going to convert to Bush. Many are still getting to know Kerry.
That, just as these numbers was encouraging.
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Mon Jul-12-04 05:22 PM
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9. What is up with West Virginia (8 points for Bush)? |
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Mon Jul-12-04 05:33 PM
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Mon Jul-12-04 05:22 PM
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10. Too early to celebrate... |
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...since the margin of error is +/- Diebold.
But we can hope!
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Mon Jul-12-04 05:30 PM
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11. I wonder why Colorado isn't on that list? |
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Bush is only ahead by 4 or 5 percentage points. It's obviously a battleground state.
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Mon Jul-12-04 05:31 PM
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12. Good question - maybe Zogby doesn't poll there |
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since it isn't usually a battleground state.
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Mon Jul-12-04 05:56 PM
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It doesn't matter about Arkansas or Nevada if Kerry carries Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Missouri!! I like that electoral map a lot!
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Tue Jul-13-04 01:44 PM
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Mon Jul-12-04 05:59 PM
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15. I Posted The New Gallup Numbers Which Are Also Encouraging, BUT |
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Edited on Mon Jul-12-04 06:02 PM by Beetwasher
These numbers are MUCH MUCH better and more meaningful!!!
Gotta love the trend!!!
Some interesting observations: Some of these poll numbers are wildly out of wack w/ some other recent polls. WI for instance has Kerry w/ a sizeable lead, but I saw another WI poll last week that had it going for Bush w/ a decent lead...
It's it normal for polls to be so incredibly divergent or is something else going on?
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Mon Jul-12-04 08:42 PM
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16. I dont buy the AR,MI,FL numbers |
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This is an interactive poll, it only polls those who sign up to be polled. I will pass on this type of polling.
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Mon Jul-12-04 08:55 PM
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17. While I don't put much stock |
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Edited on Mon Jul-12-04 08:56 PM by fujiyama
in these interactive polls - as you mentioned they aren't "scientifically" done.
However the numbers in those states you mentioned actually do go along with those of other polling firms.
The states that don't make much sense are WI and OR, which are much closer in most other polls.
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Tue Jul-13-04 03:41 PM
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Is that what interactive polling is? I thought it was repolling the same group of people for trends, but I didn't realize it relied on volunteers.
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Mon Jul-12-04 09:06 PM
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18. wow, according to Zogby Bush is now up by ten in Wisconsin |
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and nine in New Hampshire and six in Florida.
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Mon Jul-12-04 09:27 PM
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19. No, Kerry is up by 10 in Wis and 8 in NH! |
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Tue Jul-13-04 05:39 PM
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26. But he was down in VA by 2% now its 5%.... we need to get back on track in |
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my state! But he is finally putting money into Virginia which is very exciting!
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Mon Jul-12-04 10:57 PM
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that these aren't random samples.
I would expect the actual race to be much closer, though I wouldn't be surprised if Kerry has a 3-5 point lead after the Edwards pick.
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Tue Jul-13-04 11:40 AM
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21. Yes, I Was Very Encouraged By These WI Numbers! |
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I had seen some less than encouraging numbers in WI last week that I thought were puzzling. These are more in line w/ what I would expect.
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Tue Jul-13-04 02:45 PM
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23. Poll method sounds a bit odd, but the trend is meaningful. |
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I read the methodology- it's an online poll of prescreened subjects? Not quite sure I understand how Zogby applies his special sauce to get his final numbers.
But that said, the more meaningful thing to consider are the change in numbers from June 21st to July 12. Plus means Kerry leads, minus means Kerry trails:
AR: went from +2.1 to -2.2 FL: went from -4.2 to +6.6 IA: +2.1 to +1.6 MI: -0.7 to +5.9 MN: +4.6 to +5.2 MO: -0.7 to +3.3 NV: -2.5 to -1.8 NH: +3.3 to +9.0 NM: +6.9 to +7.3 OH: -5.4 to +0.7 OR: +6.6 to +9.2 PA: +7.0 to +7.3 TN: -18.8 to 0.0 (no, this is not a typo. I'm guessing that -18.8 was a BIG outlier.) WA: +6.4 to +8.2 WV: -6.0 to -8.2 WI: +4.4 to +9.4
In short, in the most critical of the battleground states, Kerry has clearly made big progress. Very, very good trend.
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Tue Jul-13-04 05:15 PM
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25. I Felt Better Till I Saw The Methodology.... |
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Edited on Tue Jul-13-04 05:15 PM by DemocratSinceBirth
As someone who has done research in poli sci at the graduate level that sounds like sloppy social science....
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