My Worst Nightmare, Obama Is A Milquetoast Candidate Who Doesn't Fight Back

[KittyWampus]

I supported Joe Biden. When he was out, left with Edwards, Hillary or Obama, I was not happy.

Edwards' message just wouldn't work. The attitude and pluck of a fighter is essential but the rhetoric was just not workable in today's reality.

Hillary was an absolute no-go. I know too well how she and her husband have enable the NeoCons from the beginning of their political careers and profited from them.

Obama at least had a message of Hope and drawing people together. I liked he appealed to our better natures. I liked he really believes in grassroots organizing and rebuilding the party infrastructure in all 50 states after the Clintons intentionally allowed it to crumble.

But from the outset, my main concern with Obama was the feeling he wasn't a fighter. Not in the sense of using Edwards' rhetoric. But that he just wasn't willing to rumble. To deliver a barbed dig at his opponent. One that would get the media's attention. I worried he'd be weak in controlling the media.

Now Obama essentially has the nomination locked up because of the planning his campaign did before votes was cast. And the positive Media he got initially as the Mediawhores looked for a horserace. Sadly, it seems Obama does turn out to be unable or unwilling to fight. Hillary, the GOP and Mediawhores have managed to brand him as an elitist. A pansy.

And his poll numbers are beginning to crumble. Even in North Carolina. The Primary is still going on, he has an opponent and he is simply allowing her to dominate. To define him. How Hillary became Norma Rae doesn't matter. What matters is, Obama is not effectively countering it.

Obama has not been in control of a news cycle in over a month. He was supposed to have a team ready to deal with Swiftboating. Well, he was Swiftboated by a 527 and Oooo, his team filed a complaint. I do not care if the Media, Hillary, McCain or whoever are unfair or dirty fighters. That's reality. That's what he needs to control.

I am sick and disgusted at how lame Obama and his campaign have become. If he is unwilling to fight his opposition he had no business running.

And the analogy of boxing and rope-a-dope is deeply flawed. Boxing involves referees enforcing rules and judges who tally points. The referees are the Mediawhores and they are not going to step in and call foul when Hillary delivers a low-blow. The judges are a lot of low-info voters being mind-fucked by their tvs. And after this 'match' Obama has to go and fight again with an even MORE formidable opponent. Only he is being damaged severely.

If Obama doesn't start fighting back with Hillary. If he doesn't start delivering lines that will capture the Media's attention... he will be permanently branded as a weak, losing elitist wimp.

It's not fair or right that Hillary has decided to damage Obama. But she has. And Obama and his campaign seem to have decided they prefer to limp to the Nomination bleeding positive poll numbers and with ever an ever-diminishing capacity to come across as a leader.

[Plaid Adder]

1. never mind

what is the point, after all.

The Plaid Adder

[SoonerPride]

2. You mistake fighting with muckraking.

Obama has limited his attacks thusfar in the sake of party unity.

He could come out with terrible negative slime about snipers and lies and Monica and Vince Foster and all sorts of sleaze. But he hasn't. To his credit.

Plus, we really will need Hillary supporters come November. He wants to win, but not at the expense of alienating 1/2 the party.

He is tough, just not a sleazeball.

Too bad Hillary doesn't play to win while playing with class. She would rather toss hand-grenades (dare I say cluster bombs) at Obama in hopes of remaining the last candidate standing.

It isn't working.

[thunder rising]

3. Agreed. Hillary supporters are so dysfucntional they alienated themselves into a corner.

[KittyWampus]

4. party unity? There are legitimate POLICY differences. Even the Gas Tax Holiday. Obama can't even

really deliver a line strong enough to get airplay.

And when, in any Primary, has it been the reality that opponents don't counter one another?

Like it or not, Hillary has forced the Primary to continue.

And this goes further than just Hillary. It's how he has NOT dealt with the Media now that they are no longer favorable to him.

[babylonsister]

15. He surely can deliver it, here, but will anyone air it?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x125793

[SoonerPride]

16. I think it is racism. The uppity (elitist) black man looking down on whites pisses off racists

The media contionues to try to bring Obama own with nonsense and yet his numbers stay steady or rise after each manuftoversy.

Why?

Because peopel are more worried about wars and health care and food prices than what his preacher said or whether he wears a flag pin.

The media doesn't get it, but the american people do.

That's why he is swimming in money and has a lock on the party nomination.

He will hit his stride and wipe the floor with the husk of McCain.

[WinkyDink]

102. Yeah, yeah. It's "racism". Except when it's PRO-Obama, right?

[knixphan]

25. bingo

[geek tragedy]

54. FUCK party unity. Clinton supporters will get over it.

The problem is that it may have to be Obama supporters who get over it.

[Mooney]

5. Obama CAN'T attack Hillary as hard as he could attack McCain.

For one thing, if he "destroys" her, none of her voters will vote for him in November. Second of all, there's the unfortunate truth that a black man being a big meanie to a white woman is a dynamic that Hillary has been ITCHING to exploit.

And finally, Obama won't tear down a fellow Democrat. Just because Hillary doesn't have any scruples about that doesn't mean he has to abandon his and lose every female Democratic vote in the process.

None of those dynamics would exist against McCain.

[KittyWampus]

Please, that is a sad excuse for a campaign that can't figure out how to get in a good dig.

I am not talking about a nasty smackdown.

[Mooney]

18. He's definitely on the defensive now, that's for sure.

But those are not sad excuses. Those are major pitfalls that, to his credit, he's managed to avoid.

[VolcanoJen]

24. But what is he supposed to do?

She can roll her eyes and talk about leaving churches and disassociating herself from shady characters from her past, but really, how can he respond?

The fact that he's not willing to go there, to bring up the Rodham brothers, and Webb Hubbell, and what have you, is exactly what attracts so many of us to his uplifting campaign.

It seems to me that he's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. I'm on the side of "damned if he doesn't and let's nominate him," personally.

[Dr Fate]

31. Attack McCain/Bush a lot more.

That way everybody wins...

[Mooney]

32. Exactly.

He's better off if he's damned if he doesn't. The entire game changes the minute he's the nominee, and he's better off not alienating Hillary's base of voters.

[VolcanoJen]

40. And what the current Hillary supporters don't get is that....

.. we actually harbor affection toward her and Bill. We don't want Obama to do what he could have done so easily.... shred them to bits the way the GOP has been counting on doing for at least eight years. There's an entire cottage industry of GOP Oppo Shops that have been revving up for this eventuality forever.

[Mooney]

48. And we still get that accusation sent our way anyway.

[KittyWampus]

37. He could ask what she meant when she said "Senator Punjab" & "outsourcing will continue"

or he could get more play on the gas holiday stupidity.

It's not about the muck. It's about hitting on policy differences with enough of a point and HUMOR to get a soundbite on the air.

[VolcanoJen]

51. He addressed "Senator Punjab" long ago.

There was an entire Newsweek Cover Story piece after he won Iowa, talking about how he scolded and vilified his staff for running that Clinton (D-Punjab) shit the second they did it. And how he wouldn't tolerate it.

And yet, Bill Clinton, knowing all of this of course, still brings it up at every opportunity. Is that really all he's got? Really?

[Cha]

38. He could say..."well you stuck with that

fucker bil clinton.."

[geek tragedy]

56. He should FIGHT BACK and just plain FIGHT

for this nomination.

He's just coasting and acting like a punching bag.

[VolcanoJen]

64. Fighting back means he has to hit Hillary on her ugly little secrets.

I don't want him to go there... the nomination is essentially in the bag, so I don't see the point in turning out a Democratic icon and future Senate ally of Obama's for short-term gain that will likely backfire.

It's not what he is. It's not what he does. And he's holding his fire for McCain.

[geek tragedy]

66. He's not even fighting back on her pandering on the gas tax. n/t

[VolcanoJen]

67. Are you kidding? What else do you want him to say?

He said that politicians say these things not because they want you to save money this summer, but because they want your vote NOW.

He called it for what it was, and he did it effectively. What else is he supposed to do? You can't dumb down the gas tax issue any more than Hillary or McSame have already done.

[geek tragedy]

69. How about "McCain startered shamelessly pandering, and

then Clinton copied him and started shamelessly pandering. But that's what it is--PANDERING."

[VolcanoJen]

71. He chose different words, but that's exactly what he's been saying.

And just about everyone, from Mike Bloomberg who mocked it economically, to Steny Hoyer who said it's a non-starter in Congress, has said the same thing.

If Americans think $30.00 in three months will change their lives, well, then, it's more hopeless than we thought, isn't it?

[geek tragedy]

76. The choice of words is VERY important. n/t

[stevenleser]

98. No it isnt.

Obama has said from the moment Hillary started this that he was not going to attack fellow Democrats. He will go after McCain if that is what it takes to win the GE, but he feels that personal attacks against fellow Democrats is off the table. That is the position all Democrats SHOULD have. Its not something we should be throwing up our hands and crying about.

[Dr Fate]

6. I think he should start hitting McCain with both guns blazing right now.

I wish I could say you did not have a vaugue point.

I also know from my Kerry days that blind cheerleading & pom-poms does not win an election.

"Conventional wisdom" sez that he will go after McCain in a big way once he wins the nom- I'll bet its true...

I know for sure that Hillary "the fighter" would NEVER go after McCain on race cards, religion, elitism or patriotism like she has the DEM- so I can certainly say that her own "Rocky Balboa" persona has been over-stated.

[VolcanoJen]

50. It's hard to see what the page-turn will look like....

... because we've been stuck on Page 100 for months.

But Obama's getting it from all sides... The Clintons, The Rovian Machine, The Bush White House, and Our Stupid Liberal Media.

Clinton has not received such treatment, such singling out, even if her supporters disagree. It is what it is. He's the eventual nominee, stuck in the Hades of Limbo. It's a fucking sucky place to be, and it's virgin territory, because he's an African American betting against the system. He's getting it from everybody, while Clinton and McCain glide on ice.

Once he's the nominee-apparent, once she drops out, the game changes. And that's taking the longview, but it's time we all started casting our eyes in that direction.

And congratulate Obama for resisting the urge to go there against Hillary Clinton, a beloved Democratic icon.

I praise him for it. And have all confidence in his abililty to shift this thing, once we get to the point where he's the last one standing.

[JoFerret]

83. Which guns are those?

And where are they located?

[Dr Fate]

103. They are not loaded with race-baiting or lies- so some Hill supporters might not relate. n/t

n/t

[ecdab]

7. 30 second sound bites full of sound fury that ultimately signify nothing

can win a candidate small and temporary victories. Obama is trying to win more than that.

[woolldog]

8. He knows he has to win over Hillary's voters.

That's why he's been easy on her.

[geek tragedy]

9. I agree. Shades of Dukakis all over again. Ugh. n/t

[Dr Fate]

14. At least the "Willie Horton" part of it- except that has mostly come from Hillary.

n/t

[KittyWampus]

22. The sick thing, Hillary's gas station photo-op was the TRUE Dukakis in a tank moment.

It got no real airplay.

And whether it's fair or not, it's up to Obama and his campaign to change the narrative.

[geek tragedy]

52. His campaign has decided to let Clinton

win.

[Erin Elizabeth]

10. Obama not a fighter?

LOL.

We must be watching two different guys.

[K Gardner]

11. I am "Sick and Disgusted" with so-called "supporters" posting this spineless tripe. As Hillary says,

"if you can't stand the heat".. and obviously, some Obama supporters just cannot stand tall and proud, focusing on the Big Picture. Those people never did really and truly "get it".

[KittyWampus]

17. the 'big picture' is the General Election. And Obama is looking weaker and weaker

as Hillary runs over him time and again. He will have so much lost ground to cover, because for some reason he refuses to fight.

[SoonerPride]

21. He does fight, just not fight dirty.

He replies and defends, but does not lay her out.

For good reason.

He's winning.

No, check that, he's won.

[KoKo]

12. I think he's weaving his way between MSM and Clinton's magnificently..

with grace and finesse. And, that's why two of us are voting for him here in NC on Tuesday. It's his finesse that won us over...and a speech he gave in Winston-Salem, NC that the MSM didn't report because he was forced to reply "once again" to the Wright Flap that the MSM was dogging him on that afternoon. The Wright Presser got more attention than his Winston-Salem speach which we listened to in the Car on XM Radio while driving back that morning from the Bruce Springsteen Concert in Greensboro, NC..the night before.

Both of us were "undecided" but the little reported "Winston-Salem Speech" turned us to vote for Obama.

Just my personal experience for whatever it's worth.

[Quixote1818]

13. Obama has said he will play much different with McCain than with Hillary

nt

[Dr Fate]

19. I've seen nothing that says we cant trust him on that.

Attacking fellow DEMS and attacking the GOP *should* be two different ball-games.

[KittyWampus]

20. that is several months away. In the meantime, Americans are witnessing an elitist pansy getting

walked all over by Hillary Clinton.

[Dr Fate]

26. If that is all true, attacking McCain & Bush is the answer, I think. n/t

n/t

[Mooney]

27. I think that's what YOU'RE witnessing.

With all due respect.

I don't see that at all. I see a guy who knows how delicately he has to play it against the first viable female candidate for president, who comes with a very large percentage of the Democratic base.

And I still say there's a lot to be said for the fact that he won't tear down a fellow Democrat.

[KittyWampus]

33. I'm not asking for him to "tear down" Hillary. That's the thing. Just deliver very pointed comments

That will get attention.

[Mooney]

45. That's not going to be effective either, for exactly the reasons that you're frustrated with him.

HRC is the one who's turned this into a destroy-fest, because she knows that he can't hit back in kind, and countering a kneecapping with a pointed comment looks... well... pansy-ish. See Bush vs. Kerry. People aren't interested in the policy side of this. They're enjoying the overall narrative and the contrast in personalities.

He has to either destroy her or get out of the way and let her melt down on her own. It's a shitty choice, but I think he's playing the best card he was dealt.

[babylonsister]

60. Well, you got attention with this post.

The Clinton supporters are zeroing in for the kill. Nice job.

[SoonerPride]

28. All right. That's it. Plonk to you and your bullshit.

welcome to ignore.

you're not a supporter, nor even reasonable.

"elitist pansy" my ass.

FUCK THAT.

[Mimosa]

34. "Elitist Pansy?" YIKES!!!!!!!

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20. that is several months away. In the meantime, Americans are witnessing an elitist pansy getting

walked all over by Hillary Clinton."

Are you for real? Are you being sardonic? sarcastic? Or just plain ugly?

[ecdab]

81. Ah, the wonders of a catch 22 - so you are jumping on Obama

for not tearing down Hillary, and if he were - I don't even have to wonder what you would be doing.

[geek tragedy]

53. Superdelegates may not give him the chance.

He's looking PATHETIC now.

[Barack_America]

23. He decided or the DNC decided?

You're forgetting that Obama has been the likely nominee for some time. As a result, his campaign is not exactly on their own, free to lash out as they please. If he's limping across the finish line, it's due to an agreement between his campaign and the DNC.

That's how I see it, anyways.

[KittyWampus]

30. maybe you are right. Very risky. Cause for the next several months, as Hillary keeps it up

Obama's stock is going to get lower and lower.

[Barack_America]

55. Unfortunately, also very necessary.

The DNC cannot allow Hillary to win. For starters, according to the stated rules at the beginning of the primaries, Obama will have "won". It will be difficult for the supers to go against this, particularly when the "electability" argument is so steeped in racism. If that happens, Democrats can kiss goodbye their most loyal voters; African Americans and the youth.

On the other hand, these voters alone are not enough; therefore, the bulk of Clinton's supporters must come on board. There's no way that will happen if Obama trashes Hillary or the DNC appears to show her the door in a heavy-handed fashion.

Finally, as far as the DNC is concerned, Hillary must not win, period. There has been a power-struggle going on between the Clintons (and by extension the DLC) and the DNC for months; ever since she announced that the agreed upon rules regarding Michigan and Florida no longer suited her. The Clinton campaign has been flying in the face of the DNC for the majority of the primary season. Bridges have been burned and the Clintons would like nothing more than to dismantle the DNC and have the DLC take over.

End result of all of this? Eggshells. Or "milquetoast", as you put it. ;)

[Mimosa]

29. IF Obama fights back: black vs blonde. OJ, etc

Obama's people know what they're doing. Trust them. IF Obama 'fights back' he will be caricatured as the angry black man who gets rough on the blonde woman. There is racial BS there. *cry* And somewhite people are looking for excuses not to vote for Obama.

Let's go back to Hillary's Senate race.Rick lazio didn't play hardball, but Hillary played the 'girl card', didn't she?

[Dr Fate]

35. I've seen enough race-code played to believe that. n/t

n/t

[Mooney]

46. WORD.

That is exactly what he can't do. Once he's the nominee that dynamic disappears.

[dailykoff]

90. Hell they've already played the gangbang card

and he hasn't done a freaking thing.

[Lucky 13]

36. .

[Hoof Hearted]

39. He is allowing himself to be defined

And it's a rather unflattering definition. He looks absolutely shell-shocked.

[depakid]

41. The Chris Wallace interview certainly didn't help with that perception

[Hoof Hearted]

58. I still haven't seen that interview. Is it worth the time to go look for it?

[depakid]

63. It's on the political videos forum

not sure that I would recommend it....

[2rth2pwr]

42. He can't, he's the candidate of Hope, and a new kind of politics.

And how would that help Michelle Obama's children?

[uponit7771]

43. I don't think his campaign has related well to news cycles IMHO. He can deliever one liners that are

...pointed, classy and still ABOVE the fray (recycle, repeat, recycle, repeat) but that's NOT what has been delivered.

For instance; instead of throwing Wright under the bus he could've compared his allegiance to his church to Catholics, like Colbert did, to get people to relate to his actions.

[KAZ]

44. 41-0 on the rec batting average. Not as slick as you thought you were.

[MrSlayer]

47. He painted himself into a corner with his "new" politics.

He can't hit back below the belt or use the slime tactics used against him because he vowed to run a clean campaign. Hillary can do it all she wants because she never said she wouldn't. He should have crushed her with the Bosnia lie but he gave her a pass. He gave her a pass on many things. Holding the high road and having honor is likened to weakness sometimes. Even though it takes more strength to act in such a manner.

[rudy23]

49. Hillary has nothing to lose in going after him, and he has everything to lose by fighting back

He knows he's got an insurmountable pledged delegate lead. He doesn't have much reason to risk it by sinking down to Hillary's level.

[Yurovsky]

57. great point ...

the worst thing that could happen to HRC right now is for Obama to win in November. She'd have to wait until 2016, and I don't think she'll relish the prospect of running herself ragged when she's 8 years older than she is now, not to mention a possible re-election campaign in another 12. She'd be in her 70s, and you just wait to see how bad the campaign kicks McGramps' ass in about 4-6 months.

[dbmk]

85. Exactly

Its like having a little kid that is clinging to your leg screaming.

A good solid kick will fix it - but spectators might object.

So instead you try and shake it off or hope it goes away by itself.
Either way you are still the only one tall enough to reach the Nomination shelf.

[rudy23]

93. Haha, great analogy.

That's exactly what I'm trying to say, too.

[GoldieAZ49]

59. He has no backbone, it is just who he is

some have it and some don't

[ecdab]

82. Tossing slime is a measure of strength? That's news to me, though

I'm sure many in the GOP would agree with you.

[DemGa]

61. Obama is weak - his campaign does surreptitious smear attacks best

Obama the man is an empty-suit - he simply can't match the toughness of Hillary Clinton.

[Honeycombe8]

72. Anyone can shrilly yell, "I'm a fighter!" Obama prefers to win the race.

Which is what he is doing.

A skinny biracial kid, abandoned by his father, raised by white relatives and a single mother...ends up winning the Democratic nomination for President. He also broke all the records in fundraising in this country.

If you don't think that journey involved his learning how to defend himself and fight for himself, then you haven't experienced much along your trek in life. It doesn't just "happen." People don't hand you good grades, 'cause your a nice guy. People don't make you the first black student to head the Harvard Law Review because they like your smile. Voters in a moderate white state don't replace their Republican senator with you because they like the way you talk.

Don't worry. He's been called, or impliedly called, every name in the book so far....and HE'S WINNING.

The proof, as they say, is in the pudding. Clinton is losing. Obama is winning. Obama beat out about 13 white guys for their party's nomination so far. 13 down. 2 to go. It's gonna be a knockout.

[DemGa]

77. My "trek in life"? Get real --- NT

[Honeycombe8]

87. Yep, that's being real. Maybe you haven't had to ever fight your way to get anything.

But people like Obama have. Even now, he's having to fight to stay afloat.

If you haven't experienced a trek, I expect you're still a kid and just don't realize what you're saying or what Obama and people like him have had to fight against just to get what some others take for granted.

He's a fighter, all right.

BTW....I'm white, so I'm not backing "one o' my own," as some say.

[Samantha]

62. It's a classic part of the Eastern political culture

You have to know when to "pick" a fight, and when to walk away from one. YOU choose your fights carefully.

Obama displays this type of strategy. I thoroughly understand it. You simply wear yourself out if you participate in every fight - save your energy for the ones that are important. Ignore all others.

It's also an excellent strategy to adopt when cruising DU - General Discussion - Primaries!:)

[Honeycombe8]

70. Obama is not from the east. He's from Hawaii. nt

[Samantha]

78. I am not from the East either - I am from Knoxville, Tennessee

Same difference. I received much of my education in the East, and Obama matured in his political thinking at Harvard.

I think like an Easterner, as does he. And one does have to know how to choose his or her fights to survive the brutality of the political arena.

[Danger Mouse]

65. don't worry, he will hit mccain hard.

[Honeycombe8]

68. You think a skinny black man who had all the bricks stacked against him, but who is winning...

isn't a fighter?

You think a skinny black dude who was an unknown a few years ago but who just made history (repeatedly) in fund raising during a presidential primary....is milquetoast?

You think someone who has been impliedly called too black to win, not black enough to win, unqualified, then elitist, vague, naive, too young, a "kid" (Bill Clinton called him that), a "boy" (some KY politician called him that), a liar (his own former pastor called him that)....well, you get the idea.

After all that...HE....IS.....WINNING. He's not winning because he's failing to fight back. He's fighting back in a different way than you are used to. Voters aren't throwing him votes just 'cause he's a good guy. OBAMA HAS ANSWERED ALL THE INSULTS, ALL THE ACCUSATIONS. And he's still standing. He has come farther than Clinton can ever dream of going.

If you think a biracial kid from Chicago who ended up practically being the Democratic nominee, against all odds, hasn't had to learn how to defend himself along the way, then you don't know much about life.

He doesn't stand on a stump, raise his hand in the air, and shrilly yell, "I'm a fighter!" That's not his style. But his style apparently works. He's winning.

[babylonsister]

79. Your post is fabulous, and thank you for getting real! It should be its own

thread! :thumbsup:

[Pablotomboy]

73. Obama has fought back

Obama has fought back accusing the media of dwelling in unimportant issues.

[Cali_Democrat]

74. He can't attack Hillary

"Angry black man" attacking white female victim doesn't play well at all. That's the reality in America. Obama will have to save it for McCain. I know it sucks, but there's NOTHING he can do.

[Condem]

75. You're thread is one.

[wileedog]

80. If that is the criteria how you elect your candidate

You deserve the continued petty mediocrity coming to you.

[mmonk]

84. I can remember back when we lived in a free country with a free press.

Back then, a story like the president and his cabinet ordering torture and/or ignoring subpoenas from Congress would have controlled a news cycle and not Jeremiah Wright. So how do you expect Obama to be able to control the news cycle?

[eridani]

86. Being able to trash your enemy's framing is more important than overt aggression

Obama does that sometimes, and needs to do it more.

[Dyllyn]

88. Engaging in throwing insults back and forth is not fighting it,s its just rude

I am sorry for you that you cannot see how he maintains his dignity and composure as a strenght

[dailykoff]

89. Oh good grief. It's milquetoast "supporters" who lack the cajones,

the ones ready to stick the knife in as soon as the media mockingbirds give the signal, and you probably don't even know you're being played like a fiddle. Sad.

[1776Forever]

91. Not so fast - Do we need 2 Rambo Rocky Win At All Cost candidates? Isn't 1 enough?

To me this says it all:

We have 2 Dem Candidates and 1 Repub in the Race right now -

2 of them are War Hawks & 1 of them would like to work for Peace.

You can have your sound bites and Rambo moments - Me I will take the intelligent peace loving one!

I take Obama over this any day!

[rolleitreks]

92. He is fighting back, with poise, restraint and reason. n/t

[dionysus]

94. i hate to do it to ya but...

your banky, sir;

[BigDDem]

95. He's a wuss.

[stevenleser]

99. So, in your perfect world, Democratic nominee candidates shred each other to pieces?

No thank you. Obama's way is the right way for me.

[Anexio]

96. "I supported Joe Biden."

Ahh, the Senate's favorite plagiarist.

By fighting back do you mean that he won't take the low road like Hillary Clinton?

I think what you are seeing is true leadership. You just may not be used to it after the last 16 years of thug politics.

GO OBAMA!

[backscatter712]

97. Give me a fucking break.

[WinkyDink]

100. He's already been branded "Dukakis"; aka: Loser.

Seriously---When was the last time you heard THAT name?

[Dr Fate]

104. Well, at least Hillary's Willie Horton style race attacks make part of that analogy correct.

He is being attacked the same way Dukakis was- with "scary black man" tactics- the difference is it is Hillary doing it now instead of the repubs.

Who is calling him Dukakis? A rightwinger? A Hillary supporter? A right-wing Hillary supporter?

[Terran]

101. I really don't know how you can even say this

if you'd been paying attention to how the Obama campaign has responded to attacks throughout this campaign. I think they've done an extraordinary job in this area.