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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:52 AM
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"I like Hillary Clinton"
I'm serious.

This is not a 'gotcha' thread, or a joke at all. I'm not trying to screw with anyone.

'I like Hillary Clinton'.

Why the hell would I say this now after heaping such scorn and derision upon her supporters all over DU? I'll leave you to answer that all on your own. But maybe it will help if you read along.

First, and it really has the least overall bearing on this subject, I am still a registered Republican. That will very likely change after November... even though I'm still not convinced I need to become a Democrat. For now, it's nice to be able to remind my Faux-News watching family that I'm 'one of them'. To the extent that I am a Republican encompasses what the party once upheld under Eisenhower, but those values have deteriorated into nothing over the decades since. Yes... I was originally against W.J.Clinton in '92, but he was brilliant, eloquent, and far more moderate than the media painted him. I knew this, so he had my support in '96. From there I watched the orgy of mindless right-wing hatchery (yes, I mean the word as is) in comparison to the relatively good job he was doing. I was pissed over his granting 'favored nation trading status' along with other, more liberal friends of mine. I was, at the time, equivocal on NAFTA. I suppose in retrospect I bought the "all boats rise with the tide" même the corporations were selling us. I thought a "stronger" North America would reduce immigration... not bad on paper, but foolish in practice. But I digress...

All in all, I was happy with W.J.C., and the corporate media proved to me during his time that it had a more aggressive agenda than he was willing to support. Yes, I know... the Telecommunications act. Let's not forget that not everything he signed appeared inherently evil at the time... or that he was a President that needed a little grease for his own agenda. But with the power the TC act gave the likes of Rupert Murdoch, all havoc broke loose.

Flashback to Hillary Rodham, Republican and 'Goldwater Girl'. Still at the crux between women's rights and traditional values of the Republican party at the time, just as the Democratic party was really getting it's wind as the 'equality party', she was where she needed to be when she had to be there. It can hardly be said that she knew at the time how much worse it could get. Nonetheless... she became a Democrat.

Now, I haven't looked into her reasons for doing so, but I'm sure that some HRC experts can illuminate the issue, as well I'm sure that some cynical BHO supporters might proffer... but let's ease off that latter if we can.

Nonetheless, she became a Democrat, and during her effective tenure as a Democrat, she racked up a pretty thorough liberal voting record. Again... cynicism aside, it is best to judge based on empirical evidence, not supposition. As a liberal representative of NY, she did her job.

Now for a little cynicism; I have very little doubt that she targeted NY in order to launch her aspirations for the presidency. I have no problem with that. She wouldn't be the first person in history that used an expedient approach to become a vessel for well-meaning public service. In fact, I applaud the move. If someone has the moxy to pull it off for the sake of the greater good, then God bless 'em.

The only problem I have with her is that the aspiration has obviously compromised the integrity. Again... I don't necessarily have a problem with that either. I see her as a woman who has set her sights on becoming the first woman President of the United States of America with the purpose of making that mean something. I truly believe that she has every intention of making America stronger. I'm certain that she will do far more good for the nation than any Republican would even pretend to think of dreaming of doing nowadays because history would cast a keener eye upon her... and she knows it.

She's no dumb chick.

That is why I like Hillary Clinton, and I believe she would make an excellent President of The United States.

She is, however, aligned with the DLC. In my last several years of research, I have concluded that the DLC is a little too friendly with the corporate interests that Dwight Eisenhower warned us about so many years ago. She has created associations that have become questionable of late... far moreso than whether her spiritual adviser ever said anything 'untoward' or 'controversial'. She has failed the test of honesty with regard to NAFTA, which she promoted at it's inception yet denied doing so lately, and with various other shady issues. More than that... her tactics, though understandable under consideration of her greatest aspiration being usurped by a 'newcomer', have certainly been harmful to her own party and to the overall viability of any Democratic candidate in November.

With all of that under consideration, plus all of the real research I've done on the candidates, their respective and allocentric opponents, I still like Hillary Clinton and the idea of her becoming President.

But after all of my deliberations, I have concluded to a certainty that;

"I like Barack Obama more".



When this nomination is all over, I just hope we can all come back to our senses. Reality has an 'open arms' policy I've been told, and I think maybe someone can convince me what party to join after November.

God Bless DU. God Bless America. And may the Flying Spaghetti Monster guide us all with his noodly appendage.

-Dr. E
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:53 AM
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1. NIce post!!
Kicked.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:54 AM
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2. Good post
I like Obama as well and will be more than happy if he's elected President. I just think she's a better choice.
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:56 AM
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3. K & R
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:56 AM
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4. Well said...
K&R

:patriot:
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:00 AM
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6. Hey Darlin'!
Just seeing you around makes me smile love. If there's a word for being able to tell how wonderful a person is from the words they write, I'll find it, and dedicate it to you.

:hug:
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:08 AM
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7. Awww...
Thanks!

I did wonder if you'd remember me...from way back in 2005!

:hug:
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:12 AM
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9. Never forgot love.
Edited on Fri May-02-08 01:13 AM by Dr_eldritch
I have a 'sixth sense' for pure spirits.

I remember you were surprised I came to the lounge once a while back. I get too tied up in all this more anxious stuff, maybe I'll go hang out there more and learn to chill a little.

God knows I need it.

O8)
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:19 AM
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11. You are too kind...
Now, to completely thread-jack your lovely thread: I have started writing poetry, but for the last two weeks, I have been stymied...

Until today...

If you feel like it, and I do mean IF...

Feel free to comment in my thread which is here: It is languishing, alas...No Lounge love for me tonight!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x7701301

Now you know I mean it...stay away if you're not interested.

The Lounge is normally a very fun place!

:hug:
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:59 AM
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5. very nicely stated and thank you for this posting, welcome to Obama for President
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:01 AM
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25. Well, I've pretty much been there for a couple months now.
Thank you though. We all will have our work cut out.
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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:09 AM
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8. I adore her.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:19 AM
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10. k&r
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:21 AM
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12. You've been a member of DU since 2004, and you're STILL a registered Republican?
:wow:

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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:24 AM
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14. You know what's a crime?
Not sucking the head. :D


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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:25 AM
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15. When ya gonna bring me some of doze?
I really really really want some! Now!

:hi:
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:28 AM
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16. I know... I know...
Like I said; It gives me a nice advantage with the less informed Republicans that I wouldn't have if I 'converted'.

If you don't know I luv ya by now, I'll just say that you're one of the people that might convince me to go 'Dem'.

:pals:
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:33 AM
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19. Well git yer ass to the registrar tomorrow mornin'....
covert tomorrow, and I'll buy you a beer tomorrow night, dammit!

:D

:pals:
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:38 AM
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20. Doh...!
I still need to work on Pa Eldritch... my cred is good so far.

Too much pressure... :banghead:

"Can't... resist... powers... of.... frog.... suggestion..........!!"
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:23 AM
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13. Alas! A voice of reason. I knew there was one out there. Nice post.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:31 AM
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18. It's going to be the 'voices of reason' that help foist the Republicans in November.
No matter who the Dem nominee is, the country can't afford another Republican right now.

I'm an American first. That's why I'm here.
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:51 AM
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21. I was thinking the same thing. I can't remember a more dangerous time for America.
I can't see how we could survive another Republican administration.

All be told, I don't care who wins the nomination. I prefer Hillary
but would vote for Obama.

I just want a Democrat. Sometimes I don't think people realize how
serious this election is.
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:16 AM
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26. My daughter and I were talking about this last night. She supports Obama,
I support Clinton. However, we have both agreed that regardless who the Democratic nominee, that's where our vote goes. The thought of another Republican in office scares us both spitless.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 05:32 PM
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30. You raised a very bright lady.
;)

I'm with you though. There are good reasons to like both candidates, I'm just of the opinion (well qualified) that Obama will bring a more disasterous bloodbath to the Republicans this fall.

I can't wait.
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 01:28 AM
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17. thank you
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:02 AM
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22. K & R

3 a.m. here. Am I sleepwalking?

:-) :hi:
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:05 AM
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23. Here too...
Just can't put myself down.

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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:07 AM
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24. I did respond in my thread!
Sorry for the delay...
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liberaldem4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:20 AM
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27. K & R Good post : )
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Tommy_Carcetti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:05 AM
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28. Nice post.
Wish there were more reasonable, rational opinions like this on this board.

I like both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. I think it is the campaigns and supporters of each candidate which are leaving a bad taste in each other's mouths.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 12:42 PM
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29. I think we'll see them come out after the nominee is confirmed.
After that, it'll be nothing but down in the polls for McCain.

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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 05:42 PM
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31. Three cheers for the Dr!
Edited on Fri May-02-08 05:43 PM by Greyskye
:yourock: :yourock: :yourock:

I like Obama 'more' as well, but after all...


:kick: and R!
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 05:57 PM
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33. Nice .Gif!
Wait... Obama's holding a BOTTLED WATER!!!

That's it... I've changed my mind!
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Tresalisa Donating Member (537 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 05:48 PM
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32. Nicely done!
Mid-afternoon K&R! I will vote for either Hillary or Barack, but, like you, I prefer Barack.
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TheDudeAbides Donating Member (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 06:39 PM
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34. Honest question
Edited on Sat May-03-08 07:28 PM by TheDudeAbides
Hi Dr E,

Sounds like we have some things in common; like the desire to research and learn.

I'd like to understand what George Soros is about. I've read enough to get the basics.
He says that he has a "God fantasy". So, this is a man who plans to make a difference on
a global scale...and who has made a big difference in other countries. Given that he's now
getting up in years, I suspect he will become more aggressive to accomplish his goals in the US
before he runs out of time on this planet.

I know that he has supported the Clintons, then Kerry and now he's betting big on Obama.
So, once he has his man in the White House, what do you think Soros wants to do?
I'll probably find a book on this subject soon, but in the meantime, perhaps you can explain to me
George Soros' agenda. I've tried to understand his "Open Society", but so far, it's a little too big
a concept for me to understand.

Do you think this is something we'll learn about during Obama's Presidency?

Thanks
--The Dude
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