Big Clinton lead in Indiana

[anamnua]

http://www.theindychannel.com/politics/16106143/detail.html

[grantcart]

1. This a huge lead in Indiana for Clinton

She has a mammoth lead of historical proportions. In the coming years there will be poets commissioned to write of the great historical victory that Clinton had in Indiana. Operas will be commissioned to elevate the populace with images of the mastadonic herculean feat. Armed only with an Indiana Senator and the vestigages carried by her husband who once occupied the most powerful office in the world she single handedly reminded the people of Indiana how she is the inheritor of the role of defender of 'our people' and 'people like us' while her husband spoke passionately about the divisions in America between ordinary people and the 'elitists'.

So formidable is her lead that she is now expected to take Indiana by 30-40 points, an epic win is secured of Brobdingnagian proportions. It is expected that her pythonic win will literally eat virtually all of the delegates and the she will walk away with a delegate lead of at least 40 delegates.

Should Obama somehow manage to comeback and land within 25 points of Clinton it would have to be considered a miracle.

[datopbanana]

2. This is GREAT! How many delegates would she net with this margin?

[demwing]

4. How many has she advanced in the last two days?

thats how many she'll net.

This poll is a little dated.

[grantcart]

5. 40-50

[demwing]

7. Why not 75-100?

Actually, how many SDs are left?

She'll surely take them all. /:sarcasm:

[juajen]

8. Honey, you need to take a chill pill, or light your bong.

You're losing it. Is this your first rodeo?

[grantcart]

10. not my first locally produced overly hyped local poll

perhaps you have a history of the "TeleResearch Corportation"

But somehow before posting the results of a poll I would look to see that the pollster was a close associate to

Clinton puppet Bayh

President's Biography - Mr. Jeff Lewis
Educational Experience
-Graduate Ball State University, B.A. Political Science


-Indiana Youth Coordinator for Senator Birch Bayh's re-election, 1968


-Staff aide and personal assistant to Senator Bayh in Washington, 1969


-State campaign coordinator to Larry Conrad's sucessful campaign for Indiana Secretary of State, 1970


-Administrative assistant to Secretary of State Conrad, 1971-72


-Delegate to Democratic National Convention, 1972.



Maybe in your rodeos you think hiring your former assitants to give you a hyped poll for local decimination is professional but I don't.

[murielm99]

13. You left out a few things.

They are a bipartisan polling company.

They have worked for the Indiana House Republican Caucus

The Delaware County Republican Party

The Indiana Libertarian Party.

You might think your selective post is professional but I don't.

http://teleresearchcorp.com/clients.html

[grantcart]

16. lol

it is a local shop run by a guy that has worked for years for Bayh

this is typical of local political machines that want to hype polls for the local market.


ANY PROFESSIONAL POLLSTER WOULD HAVE TAKEN THEMSELVES OUT OF THE EQUATION BECAUSE OF AN OBVIOUS CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

Its not my poll. The OP had a ridiculously overstated headline that promoted a poll that is showing almost 20% Republicans and a huge undecideds. But they got their local headline and that was what this poll was all about.

IT IS A SMALL SHOP WHERE THE PRESIDENT IS A BAYH LACKEY

And is noted not by the local weekly newspaper Bayh is on the hot seat:

Bayh is obviously Clinton's first in line for the VP position and if he is going to get there he has to deliver:


http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/05/02/pressures_on_bayh_to_snare_indiana_for_clinton/?page=2



Pressure's on Bayh to snare Indiana for Clinton
Political family heir digs deep, but sway is tough to gauge
Globe Staff / May 2, 2008

TERRE HAUTE, Ind. - When Senator Hillary Clinton kicked off her push for the Indiana primary, she picked the Saratoga bar and cafe, a relic amid the aging downtown storefronts and forlorn streets of this western Indiana city.

Clinton's choice of venue last month was a strong statement about where the state's Democratic political power still lay: with Saratoga regular and Terre Haute native Evan Bayh - scion of a legendary political family, popular former two-term Indiana governor, second-term US senator, and now Clinton's biggest booster in a state whose primary on Tuesday could make or break her bid for the Democratic presidential nomination.

In Clinton's most important recent primary victories, she has had a Democratic state boss rallying party regulars to her side: Governor Ted Strickland in Ohio, Governor Ed Rendell in Pennsylvania. It is now Bayh's turn to play kingmaker. And though it is unclear whether he can deliver as successfully, in public and behind the scenes, he has been using his name, his political muscle, and his instantly recognizable face to draw Hoosiers to Clinton's cause.

"To the extent there's a Democratic Party machine in Indiana, it is Evan Bayh's," said Anita Dunn, a Democratic strategist who has worked for Bayh but is helping Senator Barack Obama in the presidential race.

Bayh has secured for Clinton key endorsements from mayors in the Democratic strongholds of northwest Indiana, despite the region's proximity to Obama's hometown of Chicago. He has sent top staff members to help run Clinton's campaign. He has vouched for Clinton's "spine of steel" in the first statewide television ad run by her campaign. And he has lobbied undecided local leaders across the state and leaned on members of Indiana's congressional delegation.
Still, Bayh's sway over such a high-profile presidential primary is difficult to measure. And many, including Bayh, play down whether Indiana has the same kind of big-state machine that can swing the election for a certain candidate.

"I don't think anyone can deliver a state. It's ultimately up to the candidate to do that," Bayh said in an interview. "My connection to the people of Indiana is personal, it's close. But it's hard to transfer that."

Some leading Indiana Democrats have ignored his counsel and endorsed Obama, including US Representatives Baron Hill and Andre Carson and Joe Andrew, a former Democratic National Committee chairman who, in announcing his switch from Clinton to Obama yesterday, said he respects Bayh but believed it was important for party leaders to make an "independent decision about what we think is right for the country." Andrew urged fellow superdelegates to unite behind Obama, warning that the protracted primary fight is hurting the party and helping Republican John McCain.

What is clear is that the pressure on Bayh is considerable. And he knows it. "I welcome the expectations," Bayh said. "And I hope to meet them."

[murielm99]

24. Oh, let's see:

If Obama had been shown to be ahead by this poll, you would be doing nothing but crowing. You wouldn't be nitpicking the source.

And who else is Bayh? Last time I checked he was a Democrat. You don't get to decide who is a good or bad Democrat, based on who does or does not support St. Obama.

[cliffordu]

27. You're witty and charming, and gosh darn it, people like you!!

:rofl: :rofl:

[goclark]

15. Water bottle on keyboard

:rofl:

[goclark]

9. Well said grantcart ,well said nt

[demwing]

3. 14% Undecideds

A few days old, ending just as Obama forcefully responded to the Wright issue.

Further, its a complete outlier, with details showing Hillary taking an unlikely 20% of the AA vote. If you want to pin your hopes on this poll, be my guest.

[Aloha Spirit]

6. 19% republican.

[TahitiNut]

11. ANYONE who wants to take Clinton over/under based on that poll, please let me know.

I could use the money. :shrug:

[Alii]

20. Over/Under? 10?

I'll take ya up on that--UNDER 10. But, if Hillary is favored by 10 and we're speaking of the spread--I'll take Obama +10.

[TahitiNut]

21. Yes, of course. I'd take Obama +10 as well. That's the point.

Anyone who wants to bet that Clinton will take it at 10% or more (the "over"), I'll take the "under" - that either Clinton takes it at LESS than 10% -OR- Obama takes it. (I'll even give the "push.")

The Hillbot crowd just loves to trot out their vacuous bragadoccio and every half-baked POS poll they can drag up from the bottom of whatever septic tank they happen to be swimming in. (I'm far from being an "Obamanut" but that crowd seems somewhat less unhinged from reality - and intellectual integrity.)

[Frank Booth]

12. If Hillary isn't able to hold her 10 point margin come next Tuesday, it will be a huge loss for her.

Even Bill might call for her to drop out at that point.

[my2cent]

22. keep dreaming loser

:rofl:

[The Doctor.]

14. Nah... she's WAY ahead in this poll...

http://www.preschoolponies.com/whowelove/34555.html

[and-justice-for-all]

17. Indiana does lean Republican...nt

[Freedom Train]

18. *bump*

[Alii]

19. How about this poll from the IndyStar?

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080425/NEWS0502/804250437/

Has Obama up by 3. And forget the date, check out some of the comments and recs. Could be interesting. They are current.

If anyone's going up by 10 it will be Obama in North Carolina. Obama by 2 in Indiana.

[Beacool]

23. Great!!

Thanks!!

[JPZenger]

25. Limbaugh Urges Surprise Final Assault on Dem Primary

Here's Limbaugh's transcript from yesterday's show:

RUSH: All right, I need to address those of you who are soldiers, volunteers, and operatives in Operation Chaos. In our first hour today, I took two very troubling telephone calls, and these calls, sentiments, have been reflected in my e-mail. Basically people are getting frightened, and they are becoming frightened at success. Operation Chaos is proceeding exactly as planned and hoped for. Our objectives have been far exceeded, and now people are getting worried, thinking that I have gone too far. Ladies and gentlemen, we have no room in our operation for people who are afraid of success."

"Everything laid out here has happened according to plan. We have not met one obstacle that we have not been able to overcome. This has been masterful. Those of you who have been participating and are lining up to participate, I must keep your morale up. You must not be afraid of success. You must trust your commander. This is not frivolous. I sense the need for an urgent call to arms. We are simply preparing, double-checking battle plans for a surprise final assault next week. I beg you, I implore you operatives, hang in there, stay with me, and fear not our success. "

[Occam Bandage]

26. But how's she doing among worthless white niggers?

[cliffordu]

28. Man, if the MSM REALLY runs with this, she's toast..even more so than she is now

I mean....


:rofl:

[a kennedy]

29. There is nothing of this on MSNBC yet