Hillary to the thousand plus Duers- YOU NEED TO START PAYING ATTENTION

[NJmaverick]

A message to the thousand plus DUers that think Hillary should drop out of the race, for the good of the party. When Hillary was confronted with these concerns, that her continued campaigning was hurting the party, here is what she had to say:


"anyone who believes this is bad for the party I just think is not paying attention..."


So why don't you DUers start paying attention for a change? Start following the news and the campaign! Don't be an ignorant, poorly informed moran!:sarcasm:


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080502/ap_on_el_pr/democrats;_ylt=AqrSZj4UhM532B02Hw9pRpmyFz4D

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

1. I just learned she's for this cool new gas tax!!!! Economists be damned--she's bought my vote!!!!!!

[rateyes]

11. Bought it with a measley $28.00 bucks that the people will never

see. That tax is collected by the oil companies.

Anyone who thinks that the oil companies won't raise the price of gas by 20 cents and put that tax money in their own pockets instead of passing the savings on to the consumers should allow me to sell them a bridge I own in Brooklyn.

[patrice]

16. No, wait a minute . . . She's for a temporary gas tax holiday. nt

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

19. a holiday sounds way better than a tax!!! I'm voting for her twice now!!!!!!

[patrice]

29. At this point a holiday would be a "hidden" tax, considering it's

effects upon so many other things, such as infrastructure that will degrade and be more costly to fix, once states DO find the money to do it, not to mention the risks and costs to persons using faulty infrastructure.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

41. risks and costs be damned!!!! I want my money!!!!!!

[graycem]

57. But, but...

Bush is giving us lotsa' money in a few weeks. FREE money! So please consider voting for McCain. His party is giving you FREE money PLUS free gas! Awesome! B-)

[ruby slippers]

2. maybe Hillary needs to start paying attention and realize that she

may lose a lot of votes for the party from Independents if she continues to stay in. Time to go Mrs. C.

[NJmaverick]

27. I think she knows she is harming the party, it's a matter of actually caring

that she is

[ruby slippers]

37. you called me on that one....heartless....I see

[Armstead]

3. It's GOOD for the party --- The Republican Party

[rateyes]

4. In that same interview she said she is just presenting herself

as she really is. I guess she really did duck under that sniper-fire in Tuzla? :puke:

If she thinks that she is not hurting the party then she's not paying attention.

[izzybeans]

5. I'm torn myself. I know she has very little chance of winning and can't think of any examples of

someone in her position pushing the primary this far, however she has played this so dirty that the republicans will have nothing to go after our nominee on come the general. I think she is doing us a favor, though at the expense of her donors and all those unpaid vendors. Obama will be inoculated from all the ridiculous smear campaigns republicans win on traditionally.

[mopinko]

6. i can't pay attention

i have too many people on ignore.

[panader0]

7. Thousand plus??

That's how many supportesrs she has here. The other 116,000 DUers want her to drop out.

[NJmaverick]

20. After the PA primary, a thread got 1200+ recs in 24 hours

I suspect that there are only roughly 2000 or so active DUers in that 116,000 count

[zabet]

35. The current average of actual users posting is around

5200, up since the primary race got so heated from the norm of around 4200-4500. Not all the posters here focus on the shit-fest that is GDP.

[NJmaverick]

43. So it's not unreasonable to suggest that 1200+ number is more of a polling number

That the true number of DUers that she insulted with that condescending remark is many times that

[zabet]

47. Bwahahaha!

Not one single place in your link did Hillary mention DU. So what makes you think that DU is singled out by this comment? As far as the 1200 being a polling number...only if you are polling a group with 98% Obama supporters to start with. It is not a valid poll number when the majority of the people here support one candidate, that makes for skewed results.

[NJmaverick]

49. What a bizarre way of looking at things

She insulted everyone that thinks she is hurting the Democratic party. What was she supposed to do? Gather up the names of everyone that knows she is hurting the Democratic party and read it in the interview?!?!? Then again, I understand that her and Bill do keep an enemies list, so maybe my suggestion wasn't all that impractical.

Still she insulted any DUer that knows she is hurting the party. She didn't have to name names.


What you posted is the same as telling a black person that shoulded be insulted by someone using the the N word, because they were named specifically.

[zabet]

55. Wow. Jumped to a race issue in 2 replies.

Most Obama supporters make it in one, you are slacking buddy. :rofl:

Since you choose to make a quantum leap to say that what I said equals racism, it is clear no one can discuss an opposing viewpoint about Obama with you. No need for you to ignore me...you will not have to worry about any attempt on my part to engage in discussion with you...which amounts to sticking my head in a septic tank and listening to shit. :hi:

[NJmaverick]

58. Your focus on the trival has caused you to lose sight of the big picture

I could have used gender, religion, region of the Country or any other grouping.

I suggest you get your head out of the septic tank, get the shit out of your ears and start seeing what is really going on.

[TheZug]

8. She's lying and dissembling for all of us--the little people!!!!!

[SIMPLYB1980]

9. This Duer agrees with Clinton and is glad she said it.

[susankh4]

12. This one too!

Go Hill. Give 'em hell. And don't let the bastards get ya down.

:patriot:

[PBS Poll-435]

23. Me three.

Getting millions of people involved and registered to vote is slightly more important that a one month head start on McPlane.

[NJmaverick]

That reflects poorly on the three of you and Hillary

If you actually believe DUers have not followed this primary closely. There seems to be no grasp of reality or basic facts, in the Hillary camp. Either that or a complete and utter lack of honesty.

[PBS Poll-435]

32. Went right over your head, didn't it.

Sad.

:cry:

[NJmaverick]

22. So you don't think DUers are informed on the matter of the election???????

That isn't saying much for you or Hillary

[SIMPLYB1980]

25. If you base your voting for either of our candidates by what is written on DU you are an idiot.

[NJmaverick]

26. That post has to make the top ten dumb posts of the day

If you don't think that DUers haven't been paying attention to the primaries you either are an "idiot" (or whatever would be worse than that) or you are certifiably insane.

[SIMPLYB1980]

38. I didn't say that and you know it, twisting words like a good little spin mister.

Read the words asshole. Lets see do you believe all the anti Obama shit posted all over this board everyday, if not why would you expect me to believe all the anti Clinton shit that gets posted here daily?

[NJmaverick]

40. You fail to differentiate between the factual posts and the opinion posts

That's wrong. Then again you showed your lack of integrity and honor with your childish "asshole" name calling. One for temper tantrum and it's off to the land of ignore my ill tempered immature fellow DUer.

[SIMPLYB1980]

48. Spin, Spin, Spin

You must be dizzy. Lets see I didn't insult you until you accused me of "having no grasp of reality or basic facts or a complete and utter lack of honesty." So hear is your epic fail.

[NJmaverick]

51. Guess I haven't been "paying attention"

:rofl:

[patrice]

36. Please have some respect. DUers make up their own minds and then support one another. nt

[patrice]

10. I can swear on The Bible, I gave HC a BIG chance with me.

I and many like me ARE paying attention. That's why I've decided against HC.

[Windy]

39. Exactly! Those the pay attention have decided to vote for Obama

She lost my vote months ago...

[patrice]

45. Search my username. I HAVE defended her.

I went around for months trying to EXPLAIN her IWR vote to others. Tried to talk about all of the factors trhat one would weigh in making such a decision. My DAUGHTER was supporting her and I really care about what my daughter thinks.

But then, watching and listening to her campaign, I figured out the answer to what is the main question at this time. Why did she support the chance that thousands and thousands of INNOCENT peope would die, there would be an increase in world-wide terrorism, and we would enslave the Children of this country to our war-debt? Answer: Because she planned to run for pResident and needed to show that she is "strong on defense".

I know I'm saying she just supported the chance that these things would happen, but I consider what has happened to be so hideous that supporting even just the chance of such things, AND FOR WHAT??? - to fit her candidate profile, is bad beyond anything I can do to make myself accept it.

[NJmaverick]

46. No need, we believe you

I also understand what you are saying. It's always been obvious that many of the Dems that supported Bush's war did so for selfish reasons (they didn't want to be hurt politically). Considering what the repuke scum did to the likes of Cam Cleeland, it wasn't an unreasonable position. However when you want to claim the ultimate office, what's reasonable for a mere Senator, becomes unacceptable.

[patrice]

52. This discussion usually devolves into people saying "HC did not vote for the war." Which is trueBut

She supported what was at LEAST a 50:50 chance that these things would happen and, though normally 50:50 is indeterminant, we are talking such a HORROR, such HUGE longlasting effects, that indeterminant is NOT acceptable.

Have you seen the stories about how many troops, who SHOULD be happy they survived Iraq, are attempting SUICIDE, with many of them succeeding. That fact is absolutely Hideous.

[NJmaverick]

53. What's worse is the suicide issue was a forseeable problem

that was allowed to fester. My suspicion is they didn't want to take aggressive action on this problem, because it would have meant bad publicity.

[rucky]

13. If you want us to pay attention, then why all the petty distractions? n/t

[meow mix]

14. her mouth opened

and suprised.. she lied, because she knows better than that.

voters postions are becoming more hardened than perhaps in any election, due to hillary no accepting her loss.
and mccain is free to rake in ALL the indys, which he is.

link
http://www.startribune.com/politics/18360694.html

[davidpdx]

15. Ah...let her stay in

she's doing such a good job of making herself look like an ass.

Nice use of sarcasm by the way.

[havocmom]

17. bush thinks HIS class and base (the Haves & Have Mores) are the country

Hillary must think Hillary IS the Democratic party.

Enough of corporatist puppets who disregard the whole lot of us rabble!

[Zuiderelle]

18. "Don't be an ignorant, poorly informed moran!"

Physician, heal thyself.

[Bread and Circus]

21. I think we are the ones paying attention, it's her voters that are the head in the sand...

if not up their ass "low information voters".

Problem is, if her voters "paid attention" they'd go for Obama.

:rofl:

[patrice]

24. I just realized: All of the gotcha and snark on this board would not exist if DUers weren't

paying attention.

She should come here and talk to us and find out how much we're "not paying attention". I'll bet that won't happen; we don't matter.

[NJmaverick]

30. That's right she probably considers us part of the party activist scum

that she has no use for.

[patrice]

34. She's fighting the future of the Democratic Party, trying to abort it. nt

[NJmaverick]

61. Nice way to put it

She if fighting against the future of the party, rather than for it.

[DAGDA56]

33. I'm sure some of Senator Clinton's people, if not HRC herself, have been checking out DU

on a regular basis. I would even go so far as to imagine some of those "people" have posted an opinion or two.

[Harry Monroe]

28. If you are not outraged at how Hillary is destroying this party with her scorched earth tactics

...and shameless pandering and bullshit, then you are not paying attention.

[ShortnFiery]

31. Both Clintons have morphed into VILE caricatures of political P.T. Barnums.

The Clintons are MORALLY BANKRUPT. Their triangulating DLC is just "a tad" less evil than the GOP in it's love for placing Corporations BEFORE individual American citizens. :thumbsdown:

They WILL destroy our party because if they CHEAT their way to the nomination - all the "guilt tripping" in the world will not return the democratic base in November.

All that power and privilege over the past 15-20 years have DELUDED both Clintons into believing that *anyone* from the GOP of the 90s (Murdoch, Kristol, O'Reilly, Scaife, etc.) would "even consider" voting for her in the G.E. :crazy:

I have nothing but contempt for the mere notion of another "Clintonian DLC" Presidency.

[NJmaverick]

44. I would agree. Who was it that giving someone some power, was the best way to see their true

character?

[Coexist]

42. ROFL!

[ruby slippers]

50. imploding party again on this thread.

[Vinca]

54. The Clinton campaign is delusional.

It is a mathematical impossibility for her to take the nomination from Obama and there is no way in hell the supers are going to cut loose the African-American voters and Obama's donor base. Whatever she's doing now is a race for 2012 if Obama loses (and she's trying her best to make sure he does).

[NJmaverick]

59. I suspect it's more not caring about the damaging she is causing

than not knowing she is causing it. Hillary is a lot of things, but stupid isn't one of them.

[zulchzulu]

56. I've been paying attention...this is what I have figured out...

Handy Guide to Hillary Clinton's Bosnian Lie: The Faux Heroine of Tuzla
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5348113&mesg_id=5348113

Handy Guide to how Hillary Clinton is trying to cheat on the Four State Pledge (Michigan/Florida)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5419518

Handy Guide to Bill and Hillary Clinton's links and contributions from the Outsourcing Industry
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4179519

Handy Guide to Why The Clintons Are The Last Thing The Democratic Party Needs Now
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5313426

Handy Guide to Hillary Clinton condemning Indiana factory closing that she and Bill supported
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5775805&mesg_id=5775805

[NJmaverick]

60. OOPS!

:rofl:

[patrice]

62. There's a letter from class-mates at Wellsley around here somewhere, describes

some of the work that the Rose Law Firm has been doing for Monsanto and others . . . :nuke:

I'm still looking for it.

[patrice]

63. Handy Guide to Hillary Clinton and Monsanto

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=5749919