Breaking: circulating video of Kantor is doctored

[aquarius dawning]

Pennebaker: Clip Doctored
I just spoke to D.A. Pennebaker, the director of "The War Room," who said his film had been doctored to produce a widely-viewed YouTube clip.
In a clip from his film on the 1992 Clinton campaign, posted to YouTube today, Clinton advisor Mickey Kantor is -- according to subtitles -- seen referring to Indianans with an expletive and to his colleague George Stephanopolous with a racial slur.
"He does not say that. He does not say that," said Pennebaker, after viewing the clip.
He said the initial expletive referred to the anticipated reaction in the Bush White House to the fact that Ross Perot's polling numbers were holding strong.
"What he says is he’s surprised Perot’s numbers are holding," said Pennebaker in a brief phone interview. "He says they must be shi**ing in the White House."
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/

[Ashy Larry]

1. Who in the Obama camp?

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

6. Hopefully, YouTube will help in that regard.

[Ashy Larry]

15. So you admit that the OP's headline is misleading and based on speculation?

[leftofcool]

16. I believe they already have

[Ashy Larry]

Why do you believe that?

[leftofcool]

25. Lawyers

[Ashy Larry]

32. What about them?

The video is still up. You are just talking out of your ass as usual.

[Texas Hill Country]

33. well, it is libelous... and you better tread lightly lest some of you get implicated too.

not a call out... just letting people know that others on DU have been implicated in libel suits... and whether or not it has legs, there are still lawyers to pay.

[Ashy Larry]

35. LOL! I am so scared!

[JoFerret]

73. Chastened would be more appropriate

.

[helderheid]

7. exactly.

:shrug:

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

2. Busted big time, and still denying it.

Whatcha gonna do? :shrug:

[LSK]

3. Obama camp???

[yourguide]

4. Ah, name names. Who in the Obama camp? Link pls?

[leftofcool]

26. Ask YouTube

[John Q. Citizen]

47. Your OP may be libelous. Post a link, or shut up.

[JoFerret]

74. Any answers to that question yet?

.

[bunnies]

5. lol. sure. Its like a Godzilla movie.

The lips are moving but totally different words are heard. Nice try!

[durrrty libby]

Here go watch the original or just read the reviews. Silly sad BoBots

http://www.amazon.com/War-Room-James-Carville/dp/B0002JUXDS/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1209745108&sr=8-1

[bunnies]

60. I watched the Original already.

But thanks for the advice and the insults!

[grantcart]

8. Why is he whispering and why the 'excuse me'?

[shadowknows69]

9. You like posting slander don't you

[aquarius dawning]

19. It's libel actually and someone on your side of the battle line obviously likes posting it.

[woolldog]

28. actually your OP attributing circulation of the video

to the Obama campaign is libelous.

[shadowknows69]

46. You're correct it is libel

And you're the one who committed it in this thread.

[aquarius dawning]

51. Not really. look again.

[Renew Deal]

10. Maybe it was doctored by Pennebaker to protect Kantor

:shrug:

[leftofcool]

11. Yep, someone from the Obama Camp

Get em Kantor

[Beausoir]

12. LOL! What a crazy train-wreck.

[John Q. Citizen]

13. How do you know the source of the u-tube clip? It doesn't say in the link.

[leftofcool]

18. U Tube has given the source

[2rth2pwr]

14. They pick up clues from their leader. He was so cynical when he tossed the good Rev overboard,

his followers are now taking cues on "the New kind of Politics".

[JoFerret]

62. One minute the guy's a saint and a visonary

The next minute he's a backstabbing lunatic.

[2rth2pwr]

64. Could be Bipolar.

[JoFerret]

66. All Obama followers are bipolar?

or just the vocal ones on DU?

[Occam Bandage]

17. Breaking: A Clintonite claiming it didn't happen does not outweigh the actual clip.

[leftofcool]

22. The Director and an Independent Expert sure does

[Occam Bandage]

29. First, the director is a Clintonite. Second, who's the independent expert?

[aquarius dawning]

30. Click on the link. The director of the film himself admits it has been doctored.

it sounds like he's saying "those people are shitting" about the Perot polling numbers at around 4:50. Then watch the original footage. There's no way you can make out "white n***ers out of that. Look at 4:50-4:56.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_wKOgMNs0U

[Occam Bandage]

34. The director of the film is a Clintonite. And he's clearly saying it at 4:53.

[aquarius dawning]

45. 4:53 is anything but clear in the original movie version.

and the part about "those people are shit" does sound like "those people are shitting".

[cascadiance]

69. Doesn't it feel like we're getting into another one of those "definition of 'is'" discussions?

Oh wait, that also involved a Clinton too!

[Pawel K]

70. it is perfectly clear, all you have to do is amplify it

I will post the clip once I get home, meanwhile you can amplify it yourself with a free program called audacity which you can find on google.

[JoFerret]

72. Ites and Bots of all varieties are deaf and blind

But none more so than those who accuse the other of being Ites and Bots.

[NJmaverick]

20. Sounds like he is confirming that it's authentic

the only thing he is doing is trying to spin it for Hillary

[Name removed]

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[CoffeeCat]

23. Make no mistake this is Clinton bullshit spin...

As usual the Clintons go into attack mode and make
baseless accusations against their opposition when
they are caught with their pants down and their
true, sick selves showing.

Now, they're going to try to make this about
Obama.

Obama has nothing to do with this.

This is about the blogosphere---this is where this started.

The Clintons have no problem throwing innocent people under
the bus, in order to cover up their own perversity.

Fuck the Clintons!

[State the Obvious]

24. Other than the Bush Republicans, there is NO ONE better at spin than the Hillary camp. nt

[sfam]

27. Got any names?

Fess up if you do...otherwise this is well...par for the course for the Clinton campaign I suppose...

[aquarius dawning]

37. pppttttt!!!

[sfam]

52. Do supply dictionaries with your new meanings for words???

"Camp" means anyone who supports him? So a racist person in the Clinton "camp" who uses racial words to describe Obama should be ascribed to a bad thing on Hillary?

Truly, at least make an attempt for logic prior to posting..

[Freedom Train]

31. The last nail in the coffin for the Obama camp!

If they are desperate enough to resort to this, then it's all over for them.

[Name removed]

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[aquarius dawning]

41. I'm lying? I'm not the one posting doctored videos to bring down my opponent

and I seriously doubt anyone in the clinton camp is doing it either.

[Occam Bandage]

44. It isn't doctored. Listen yourself. 4:53.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5781290&mesg_id=5781290

[aquarius dawning]

48. as I already told you, 4:53 is anything but clear.

[Yossariant]

38. Obama should step down NOW!

Disgusting.

:puke:

[ORDagnabbit]

39. it is NOT a doctored video.... you can hear it! put on ear phones on the original...it is

unmistakable...

[Blue_Roses]

40. oh, right...

:eyes:

[RainDog]

42. Your headline is political slime, not fact

You do not know who put out that youtube. For all you know it could have been another Blumenthal smear, or one of the many other Clinton dirty tricks. Karl Rove is a master of this tactic... put out something you know you can debunk and make it look like the other party did it.

Hillary is so desperate at this point it's sad.

[jefferson_dem]

43. Breaking: Your sanity.

n/t

[powergirl]

49. The did say "those people are shit"

He said it didn't he? Let me know if I am right on this one. And if he did, that's, well, shitty.

[aquarius dawning]

53. he said "those people are shitting" in reference to Perot's poll numbers.

[rodeodance]

56. Thanks for your

post.

[powergirl]

59. He just told First Read a different story - about 15 minutes ago

He never claims to have said "those people are shitting" in reference to Perot's polling. You can sniff out a liar when their story changes in a matter of minutes.

From NBC's Domenico Montanaro
With the Indiana and North Carolina primaries less than 96 hours away, making its way around the pro-Obama blogosphere is a clip in this video of former prominent Clinton administration official Mickey Kantor appearing to call Indianans an expletive. It is an excerpt from the movie "The War Room" about the 1992 Clinton campaign. Kantor, James Carville and George Stephanopoulos are reading over results from various states, including Indiana, when Kantor says:

“Look at Indiana, wait, wait, look at Indiana: 42-40. It doesn’t matter if we win. Those people are . Excuse me."

Kantor is a supporter of Hillary Clinton's, listed on the Clinton campaign Web site as one of several former Clinton administration officials backing her candidacy. He is also reported to be an informal adviser to her 2008 campaign.

*** UPDATE *** Huffington Post quotes Kantor on what he meant by the expletive: "Indiana was not even on our radar screen," he said, "And I was talking about the polling and not the people... If you look at The War Room, this is not the way Carville or George interpreted my statement. This is frankly libelous."
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/05/02/972175.aspx

[TheZug]

50. The DVD will tell the tale.

It's definitely there on the youtube.

[cascadiance]

67. I've watched the DVD just now, and to ME it says "SHIT", NOT "SHITTING"...

Go to chapter 16 around 1:23 into the DVD...

I think THEY are fishing if they are trying to allege that he's saying "shitting". I think I could far more interpret the "n**" word being said than the shit actually being "shitting". I need to play the DVD on a better system soon to see if I can get more sense of the "n**" word.

[shadowknows69]

54. I see you edited out your libel

Sorry many of us still know you're a lying scumbag like your candidate.

[aquarius dawning]

55. I'm sorry your little October surprise is blowing up in your face.

No need to be rude like that though. I mean really. Listen to yourself for Christ's sake.

[Umbram]

58. Yea, kind of late now after 20 or so posts calling the OP on their BS. (nt)

[JoFerret]

61. Charmer

Rush to judgement
Suspend critical faculties
Abuse at every opportunity

[Hoof Hearted]

57. This is going to backfire all over Obama. It seems a couple of his supporters

turned out to be desperate and shit-stupid at the same time. Too bad for him. AGAIN.

[krispos42]

63. He was not talking about Perot's numbers

Only two numbers, 42 and 40, are mentioned. Bush won with 43%, Clinton with 37%, Pertot with 20%. It's inconceivable that Kantor would mention Perot and Clinton but not Bush, or Perot or Bush but not Clinton.

Bush and Clinton without Perot, yes. Especially with the numbers in the 40s.

So already Pennebaker is having credibility problems.

Although I do think that Kantor said "Those people are shitting! Excuse me", followed by something I can't quite make out. Then he says "How would you like to be-", then he leans in to George and says something that I can't make out, either.

[Ian_rd]

65. You're a liar. Oh NM, you changed the title of your thread. nt

[Pawel K]

68. The clip is not doctored. You can hear it from the actual movie on you tube.

A free program called audacity will let you amplify it and hear it with your own 2 ears.

[WeDidIt]

71. WOW, this is just like the Dan Rather documents

The issue was the "these people are shit" thing. The "doctored" video is put out to inoculate themselves against the real comment!