Original Kantor clip: The War Room pt 9. (at the 4:40 mark)

[mystieus]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_wKOgMNs0U

Judge for yourself.

[The Night Owl]

1. Clearly, Mr. Kantor is saying...

...F-R-E-E that spells free... credit report dot com, baby.

[rocktivity]

2. I recommend headphones AND plug-in speakers

if you got 'em.

:headbang:
rockantion

[mystieus]

3. You don't need headphones for "those people are shit"

[rocktivity]

18. Nor do you need them for his "excuse me" immediately afterwards

Why would he feel obliged to do that if he HADN'T been insulting the IN pollsters?

As for the "worthless white N's," I listened to the clip without headphones or extra speakers, with headphones, with extra speakers, and with headphones plugged into my extra speakers. I distinctly heard it each time.

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rocknation

[DemsUnited]

4. He clearly says "those people are shit" to Carville. When he whispers

to Georgie S., I honestly can't hear a word.

But, "those people are shit" is crystal clear and kind of weird.

But, after some thought, I'm willing to give Kantor the benefit of the doubt when he claims he's talking about pollsters because I really, really think pollsters are pond scum.

[TwilightGardener]

7. He said shitty--that's what I heard. Either shit or shitty. It's unmistakable that he

called the people of Indiana shit--he wouldn't have said "excuse me", which is what we ALL say when we say something offensive, otherwise.

[Tinksrival]

5. The first line matches up....

The second doesn't.
They are very strong racist words to put in someones mouth.
You can't put those words in his mouth by this video from the original movie. IMHO

[Quixote1818]

8. This isn't the video in question. It's an exact copy from the film. nt

[Tinksrival]

14. I know ....

I am commenting on the original. :shrug:

[npincus]

6. If this was on YouTube, how do you know it wasn' doctored?

For argument's sake. I wish someone had a dvd copy or rent one to independently verify. Anyone?

[mystieus]

10. It's an exact copy from the film.

[MidwestTransplant]

9. I think he said those peple are "shitting in the white house" BUT

the "worthless white ni**ers" quote is there. You have to have the volume up loud. I put a speaker next to my ear.

[cottonseed]

12. I agree with on the shit vs shitting.

The worthless white ni**ers quote can be heard plainly. I would say that there's some oddness with the lips matching up with the sound. I'd say if anyone's ass is on the line it's the makers of the documentary. If anything fishy happened there it was with their people.

[mystieus]

20. But, "those people are shit" is crystal clear

[Fermezlabush]

11. Not on my tape. It says

. "He says they must be shi**ing in the White House. (re: Perot numbers)

[merh]

13. The same director is making an updated War Room

If this is "real" it will hurt his efforts, will shut down his production (access to the campaigns).

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5782886&mesg_id=5782886

[anigbrowl]

15. SO WHAT??? Let it sink!

honestly, what a waste of time and energy all these threads are. Anyone who thinks this is important, you've been had. It isn't.

[mystieus]

19. Truth.

[Marie26]

16. How do you know this is original?

And not the doctored clip? Anything on Youtube can be doctored, the only way to know for sure is to watch the original movie.

[npincus]

17. Chuck Todd linked it as the "original"

[cascadiance]

27. It IS the original from the DVD. I just watched it at chapter 16 (1:23)

That's where it is. And it clearly says "SHIT", not "SHITTING"!

[Jersey Devil]

21. What I hear

"Those people are shit" - very clear. To give Kantor the benefit of the doubt he could have been talking about their Indiana pollsters rather than Indiana voters and no one will ever know what he meant so I think it should be dropped.

The whispering to Stepholopocus was totally inaudible to me using high quality speakers (no headphone).

[mystieus]

22. Me too, it seems the media is hung up on the "N" word.

[meow mix]

23. sounds like, Those people are Shit, and a slur whispered under his breath..

why was he whispering that?

[AllexxisF1]

24. If have head phones on ....

He clearly says:

"Check out Indiana"

"Those people are shitting ...pause ...says excuse me ...video chops a bit and looks away "in the Whitehouse" .

"how would you like to be in the White House right now" -> as he is looking at Snuffanalagus.


That is my take.

[PBS Poll-435]

28. Yep

Thats what I got out of it.

[meow mix]

25. K&R

[mystieus]

26. People aren't paying atention to the original video.

Since the doctored video was debunked..

It seems the media is hung up on the "N" word slander from the doctored video.. calling Indianians shit is not that important.

[PBS Poll-435]

29. LOL...

Why are you still pushing this garbage.

You think that the two uber-dorks Kantor & Stephanopoulos are going to make racial slurs and insults when the camera is going?

Leave that to Carville.

They were mentally masturbating over data.

(Much the folks in GDP)

[stillcool]

30. who knows? ABC has it back up...

on it's blog...

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/05/the-mystery-of.html
The Mystery of "The War Room" Clip

May 02, 2008 1:43 PM

In The Washington Post's review of the film in 1993, critic Desson Howe referred to "a Mickey Kantor comment about the people of Indiana (when it looks as though Clinton's ahead in Dan Quayle's state)."

And a 1995 story in the Sydney Morning Herald said that "As for the good folk of Indiana, they are still recovering from the 1993 documentary War Room, which revealed the grim truth behind the Clinton election campaign. It showed Mr Kantor bursting in on election night to tell other campaign staffers that incredibly, Mr Clinton was doing well even in Republican Indiana. 'And those people are s---!' he declared breathlessly."
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/05/the-mystery-of.html

[PBS Poll-435]

31. Ask the Director.....

Oh wait. They did.

And.. .the WaPo thing doesn't specify what comment was made.

The description of the event by the Sydney Morning Herald doesn't, at all, match the scene in the clip that we all watched today.

[stillcool]

33. Yeah...I'll wait and rent the DVD..

before I pass judgment. Our audio equipment will provide much better sound quality than the "War Room" episodes on YouTube.

[ShaneGR]

32. He says "Those people are shitting" and "How would you like to be one of those people in the White..

House right now"

It's pretty clear when you put some headphones on and blast it.

[meow mix]

34. theres no "ing" ...nice parroting though

try again.

and why the whispering?

[meow mix]

35. original cut check it out hillz

K&R