I still like Obama; some of my fellow DU Obama 'supporters' -- not liking them so much

[onenote]

It has long been evident that Obama's supporters here on DU fall into two categories: those that support Obama because they are in agreement with his message of change; and those that support Obama mostly because they hate Hillary.

I'm an Obama supporter, not a Hillary hater. And today, we've seen a lot of the Hillary haters come out of the woodwork. They've latched onto a video clip of dubious autheticity and run with it, only to end up hitting a brick wall. They played the exact type of politcs that Obama is decrying and that many of his supporters, including me, are sick and tired of seeing.

Just as the Wright contoversy was a distraction from the real issues and was out of a playbook I want to see retired, so too is the Kantor controversy. Even if the video was unaltered -- and I have very serious doubts about that -- my reaction to it was that it shouldn't be an issue. If we continue to judge candidates by every thing that comes out of the mouth of every person they've ever been associated with we will continue to destroy every candidate that comes along.

Enough.

I am an Obama supporter. I am not a Hillay hater. And I think that I represent the majority of Obama supporters, maybe not here at DU, but in the world outside DU.

[ShortnFiery]

1. Terrific, HRC's gonna be "our mom" and Shame Us into every damn thing?!?

Give the self-righteousness a rest - it's not working. :thumbsdown:

Guess what? I'm both an "Clinton DLC" hater & Obama supporter.

[Maddy McCall]

26. You prove exactly why the OP felt this thread necessary.

[Beausoir]

46. Yep. Methinks it's getting time for another "break".

Mark my words.

[bowens43]

2. actually your division is artificial.

there are many of us who fall into both catagories.

[onenote]

3. the one's who claim to support Obama's message, but then play the same old gotcha games

don't fall into both categories.

[ShortnFiery]

6. I admire Obama but dammit, stop with the "self-righteousness" it's tough enough to win

without be MONITORED by "a mother figure" (fellow Obama supporters) who lets your little sister (HRC supporters) POUND THE SHIT out of you while she turns a blind eye. But when you finally have some *valid* information you censor us to "never hit a girl" even though she's in the process of GUTTING US?

Stop it! "Mommy censors" and "feigned indignation" is not attractive on EITHER SIDE.

[TwilightGardener]

15. I've noticed that--it's bizarre that Hillary supporters are universally VENAL about

any dirt they can spread about Obama, but Obama supporters are always trying to "play fair"--I guess the supporters largely reflect their choice of candidate.

[Stand and Fight]

31. You're full of it, buddy.

Universally vile? I can't recall the amount of times on here that I have ignored the Wright threads or said they were out-of-line because of the substance. I will say it again -- I think Barack Obama is a great candidate and would make a fine president, but he is not my candidate of choice. Please do try to not speak in absolutes.

[Hoof Hearted]

33. WOW, now that's HILLARIOUS, especially coming from you.

[leftynyc]

34. What utter crap

You're a perfect example of what the OP is talking about.

[PoliticalAmazon]

38. I totally fucking agree. This "my way is the ONLY way" business...

...gets old. We get it from the Hillary supporters all the time, claiming we aren't Democrats or that we are rightwingers simply because we don't support Hillary.

I'll be damned if I'll accept an Obama supporter with that holier-than-thou attitude.

Many of us are just sick of this election and want to get Hillary out now. I've become much more harsh as the weeks have worn on, and, god help us all, I will probably get worse if it goes on any longer.

[PoliticalAmazon]

37. EXACTLY. I reject Hillary but support Obama. n/t

[LisaM]

4. I'm always startled by the Obama supporters outside of DU

I'm always on the defensive, but most of them are just fine, with one exception, a guy I know who peppers me with emails about how Hillary must drop out now, and won't send me the $45 I won from him in a basketball pool that I want to donate to her campaign. But OTHERWISE - most are nice!

[my2cent]

5. Thank you

I'm hillary supporter, but i like obama.

But his supporters are desperate.:rant:

[ShortnFiery]

7. I'm sorry, are we truly supposed to CARE if you like our manners? GET REAL! eom

[Bluebear]

14. OBVIOUSLY not. nt

[lyonn]

21. True, this Obama supporter feels desperate

It looks like Obama comes the closest to being the person that can get back our dignity as a country and our rights as citizens. He never like the idea of attacking Iraq. Hillary, not so sure at all. She has disappointed this former Bill and Hillary admirer, bought their books to help with their numbers on the best selling lists, just to show the repubs they were still losers, etc. Now I feel conned by them.

We have no guarantees with Obama but, I feel a hell of a lot more sincerely from him..... So yes, I feel we desperately need some honesty leading our country and he has shown more "truthiness".

[DJ13]

8. I dont "hate" Hillary.... I hate what she represents

She IS the status quo candidate, the DLC corporate bought and paid for puppet that was supposed to keep the Bush pro-corporate policies largely intact.

We cant afford another President like that, and I hate what she represents.

[speedoo]

10. And I hate what she has done and continues to do.

And I hate what I believe are her motives.

Other than that, I have no feelings about her.

[Barack_America]

9. Here's why I disagree with you...

How many of these little "slip-ups" have to come out of the Clinton campaign before it proves that they are either promoting these things or are at least knowingly condoning them? This thing today just comes on the back of reports yesterday of YET ANOTHER Clinton official sending out RW BS on Obama.

Now I know this clip in particular is old, but he clearly says "worthless white n*gger" on CAMERA, within earshot of the campaign's top people and they say NOTHING! No, "hey, what do you mean by that?" or "let's not use that word". It's a minor issue, true, but this minor issue could cost the Dems the election were she to get the nomination. Hillary's support among African Americans is tenuous at best and this will just make it worse.

Kantor has to go.

*I say that it's a minor issue, because I think he was referring to the Bush WH wanting to be a "worthless white n*gger" (i.e. what Bill Clinton had been called) at that moment in time. I don't think he was referring to Hoosiers as such.

[leftynyc]

35. Oh for heavens sake

that was proved to be bogus hours ago. Take a look at numerous threads posted by other Sen Obama supporters about that and give it a fucking rest already.

[PoliticalAmazon]

45. "Kantor has to go." Yeah, she'll pull a Mark Penn with Kantor. n/t

[Beausoir]

48. The tape is fake. How long before you come to terms with what the rest of us know?

[NNN0LHI]

11. That I once considered some of these people halfway intelligent is the scary part

:scared:

[zabet]

17. Scary, and disappointing...

especially when this used to be a place for progressive discussion, not a group think cesspool where dissent is stomped in the face.

[Stand and Fight]

32. I'm in the same boat with you...

I used to recommend DU to people in the real world -- both in 2004 and up until about five months ago. Now I would be ashamed to let people know about DU. Likewise, I am equally appalled that I once considered some of the most rabid and malicious Obama AND Clinton supporters truly intelligent and good progressives. Sad.

EDIT TO ADD: I originally supported John Edwards and then switched to Clinton. If I went by either of their supporters on here alone I would not be voting. I instead choose to look at the candidates.

[VotesForWomen]

12. right on. nt

[TwilightGardener]

13. I both support Obama AND intensely dislike Hillary.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

16. I'm a Hillary supporter/ I will embrace Obama if/when he wins.

I'd be more than happy to have him as Pres 44.

[rinsd]

18. Half the "supporters" on each side care about little other than starting flamefests.

[PoliticalAmazon]

47. Look, it wasn't this bad even during the Florida 2000 debacle....

...but Hillary has run such a pig-slop campaign, and it has gone on for so long, that people are just tired of it and want it over.

I no longer have the luxury of the kind of patience to meekly allow Hillary and her supporters to slam Obama and his supporters without giving it back to them.

Not all Democrats have "doormat" stenciled on their foreheads, and that is a lesson pig-slop Hillary and her supporters need to learn.

[book_worm]

19. Actually, the truth is the same could be said for the other side.

[Cha]

20. Yeah, I don't like

you, either.

Little scolder. Let's all bow down to onenote 'cause it's so omniscient.

[lastliberalintexas]

39. You're very different z

Nothing at all like the nice, polite Dean supporter I remember from 2004. And please don't try to argue that this campaign or any of the group of supporters are nastier and you're just responding in kind, because it isn't. Obama and Clinton have actually each run fairly clean campaigns, unlike in 04 (remember the Dean morphing into bin Laden ad of Gephardt?).

I just really don't understand what has happened to so many DUers I used to enjoy reading.

[Hoof Hearted]

22. Thanks for saying this. Aren't you an Edwards supporter?

I think it would explain why you're obviously both brave, and nice. :)

[onenote]

40. No, I am an Obama supporter.

I started out leaning towards Edwards, but stayed on the fence. By the time I had seen/heard enough to make a decision about who I would support, Edwards was already gone. At that point, I decided that while I could support either Obama or HRC in the GE, I felt that the better choice - both in terms of my own personal preferences and in terms of what I thought would be best for the Democratic Party and the country -- was Obama.

And that remains the case today.

[Lady-Damai]

23. double post. delete. n/t

[Lady-Damai]

24. Well, not everyone is the same.

I know majority of Obama supporters are like you. I'm happy you can be positive and nice. But, I'm not nice. There is a increase of Hillary haters outside DU and around the world. Her dishonest ways is the issue.

Why should I ignore a politician who lies into the camera and the defends it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOsGo_HWP-c

Why should I ignore a politician who says she would "totally obliterate" another country? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u1nmGmtD18

If Hillary Clinton had simply said "Listen. We need to have a serious talk with countries like Iran. A threat to Israel is a very serious issue. My administration will take care of this issue before a threat like this would ever happen. 9/11 will not happen again."

I don't care if Hillary denounces or rejects Kantor. I only care about when she uses lies and malicious ways to get ahead.

[cbayer]

25. I agree.

I think Obama probably feels the same way. The irony of a candidate who I believe to be a good, kind and honest person attracting hate-filled, mean and intellectually dishonest followers is quite striking.

The distinction you make is not absolute but it is true in many, many cases. I think most reasonable people posting here can recognize the difference and have been ostracizing this group to some extent. A lot of the OP's put up by this group lately only get attention from the other haters. That is most likely the best way to deal with them.

[Maddy McCall]

27. Thanks, onenote.

I'm there with you...I don't hate Obama...I like him.

It's some of his supporters at DU that I have a problem with.

K/R

[bigtree]

28. there's a WORLD outside DU??!!

who knew? :D

[Life Long Dem]

29. Oh go home.

Like Bill defending Hillary so too can Obama supporters defend Obama.

[onenote]

41. how do you know that I'm not already home?

[Stand and Fight]

30. I wholeheartedly agree...

Especially the end bit about Obama supporters here and outside of DU. The majority of supporters on DU seem to be absolutely unhinged, but in the real world I find his supporters as refreshing as I should any fellow Democrat -- though I am a Hillary supporter. It's a sad state of affairs that they rushed, rallied, and recommended a thread of dubious substance and origins.

[PoliticalAmazon]

36. I think you're wrong about the # of people who hate Hillary. n/t

[onenote]

43. wrong in which way?

Not sure if you are saying that I've overstated the number of DU Obama supporters motivated by their dislike of HRC or understated the number non-DU Obama supporters who are motivated by their dislike for HRC.

I think its telling that most polls show that more Obama supporters would still support HRC if she got the nomination than HRC supporters would support Obama if he gets the nod. That suggests to me that most Obama supporters are turned on by his message but could live with HRC. Why it is that so many HRC supporters say that they can't support Obama is beyond me. I hope they change their minds because I remain convinced that Obama should be -- and will be -- the Democratic candidate for president.

[PoliticalAmazon]

44. I think a large number of Obama supporters hate Hillary...didn't start out that way....

...but after her Bush/Rove tactics and isults to Obama supporters, especially the slams to African-Americans, the loathing of Hillary seems to grow exponentially every day.

And as bad as it is with Dems, it's WORSE with Republicans. THey didn't care for Hillary to begin with, but they can hardly keep from talking in tongues now when her name comes up. I expect their heads to turn around, and them to project green vomit.

[ecstatic]

42. Hatred of Hillary's hypocrisy

If Hillary had run a clean and honorable campaign, I don't think anyone here would be running with this.