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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:04 PM
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ANOTHER DISTRACTION! THE VOTER SUPPRESSION ROBO CALLS WERE REAL!!!
Another media sensation to focus away from what is REALLY going on:

ELECTION 2008
Group with Clinton Ties Behind Dubious Robocalls

by Peter Overby

Listen Now <3 min 55 sec> add to playlist
All Things Considered, May 1, 2008 · Thousands of North Carolina residents answered their telephones last week to hear this message, delivered in a deep, soothing voice:

"Hello. This is Lamont Williams. In the next few days, you will receive a voter registration packet in the mail. All you need to do is fill it out, sign it, date and return the application. Then you will be able to vote and make your voice heard. Please return your registration form when it arrives. Thank you."

In fact, the deadline to register for the May 6 Democratic presidential primary had already passed. The robocall went to many registered voters who were expecting to vote that day. The call and follow-up mailings left many wondering whether they were registered for the primary or not.

This sounds like a classic example of voter suppression — sowing confusion in order to drive down turn-out. The calls seemed to be aimed at African-American communities, places where Illinois Sen. Barack Obama is expected to run well ahead of New York Sen. Hillary Clinton.

-snip

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90114863



Nonprofit's Contracts Called into Question


by Will Evans

Charity watchdogs say the way the group Women's Voices Women Vote has spent its money on at least one contract raises red flags.

In 2006, the organization paid Integral Resources Inc. nearly $800,000 for phone services. That company's CEO and founder is Ron Rosenblith, who is married to Women's Voices president, Page Gardner. The contract represents 16 percent of the nonprofit's budget. The group is funded mostly through foundations and individual donations.

"I think it's a really big concern," said Daniel Borochoff, president of the American Institute of Philanthropy in Chicago. "It does give an appearance of a conflict of interest."

The question, he and other charity experts say, would be whether Integral Resources profited from its inside connections. Women's Voices did not make anyone available to comment.

-snip

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90114863



Update: Group Promised to Change Calls in February
By Paul Kiel - May 1, 2008, 4:10PM
Since we last posted this morning, there are number of other things to update you on those calls by Women's Voices Women Vote.

First off, North Carolina officials were not the first to specifically object to the group's failure to identify themselves and instead use "Lamont Williams" on the calls. As Facing South points out, back in February, after Virginia police investigated the calls and mailings as a possible identity theft scam, the group's spokeswoman told The Virginian-Pilot that "not including information about the source of the voter registration effort was 'absolutely an accidental omission.'" She also said that the group would be changing the calls so that the group was identified as the source.

Obviously, that didn't happen. When I asked the group about that, a spokesperson told me that the failure to change the script was a "mistake" and added "we're doing our best to figure out how the old script got used."

Meanwhile, a group spokeswoman Sarah Johnson explained in a Q&A at DailyKos that the name Lamont Williams was used because that was the name of the actor reading the script. The calls using Williams' voice went to men -- because she said while the group mainly concentrates on unmarried women, they also target "African Americans, Hispanics and young people" -- and a call using a woman's voice went to women.

And finally, anti-robo call activist Shaun Dakin provides some context for the North Carolina attorney general's accusation that the group's calls were illegal because the group was not identified and did not provide a call back number. Dakin, who heads up Stop Political Calls, a group devoted to combating automated calls by establishing a National Political Do Not Contact Registry, writes that Women's Voices Women Vote is breaking the law, but pretty much everybody else does too:

The reality is that there are more than likely several campaigns and other non-profit organizations that are "failing to disclose who sponsored the call" and "failing to offer the org's contact information to get the calls to stop".
In fact, I know of no political campaign at the national level that offers voters a way to opt out of further calls.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/05/update_womens_voices_calls.php


BREAKING: Source of deceptive NC robo-calls exposed
by ProgressiveSouth

Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 11:24:48 AM PDT


Yesterday, I posted a recommended diary here about thousands of deceptive, anonymous and likely illegal robo-calls blanketing North Carolina shortly before the state's primaries on May 6.
The follow-up below is the result of hours of investigative work over the last 24 hours, including helpful tips from DKos members. Thank you for your assistance in helping us tell this important story.
Please note: Women's Voices Women Vote appears to be a legitimate organization; people we respect support their work. However, we believe that the tactics revealed in our story, as well as the effect they are having on confusing and potentially disenfranchising hundreds of thousands of voters -- especially right before critical primaries -- are cause for deep concern and raise critical questions about ethical election practices. -- Chris

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4/30/11055/6499/141/506343



Robo Call Gives False Voting Info to North Carolina Voters
By Paul Kiel - April 29, 2008, 3:48PM

Here's another for the annals of vote suppression. Calls have gone out to an untold number of North Carolina voters telling them that they need to fill out a registration form before they vote. Democracy North Carolina, a government watchdog that has posted audio (wav) of the call, says that the calls went out to "black neighborhoods."

It seems not to be a scheme limited to North Carolina. As Facing South reports, the same call evidently went out to some voters in Columbus, Ohio two days before municipal elections there last November, and also in Virginia the week before the Democratic primary there this February.

Here's how one reader of the Buckeye State Blog described the Ohio call back in November:
From memory, a stentorian voice reminiscent of James Earl Jones says: "Hello. This is Lamont Williams. In a few days you should be getting a voter registration form in the mail. Please fill it out and return promptly and you will be able to vote. Thank you."

Since the election is Tuesday, the message is nonsensical. Also, I can't find any information on this Lamont Williams. The caller ID was blocked ("unknown caller").

-snip
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/04/robo_call_gives_false_voting_i.php



Wednesday, April 30, 2008
FACING SOUTH EXCLUSIVE: D.C. nonprofit aimed at women voters behind deceptive N.C. robo-calls
By Chris Kromm

-snip

Some have also questioned the ties between Women's Voices operatives and Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Hillary Clinton. Gardner, for example, contributed $2,500 to Clinton's HILLPAC on May 4, 2006, and in March 2005 she donated a total of $4,200 to Clinton, according to The Center for Responsive Politics' OpenSecrets.org. She has not contributed to the Obama campaign, according to the database.

Women's Voices Executive Director Joe Goode worked for Bill Clinton's election campaign in 1992 as a pollster; the group's website says he was intimately involved in "development and implementation of all polling and focus groups done for the presidential primary and general election campaigns" for Clinton.

Women's Voices board member John Podesta, former Chief of Staff for President Bill Clinton, donated $2,300 to Hillary Clinton on April 19, 2007, according to OpenSecrets.org. Podesta also donated $1,000 to Barack Obama in July 2004, but that was well before Obama announced his candidacy for president.

"The reports from other states are very disturbing, especially the pattern of mass confusion among targeted voters on the eve of a state's primary," Democracy North Carolina's Bob Hall tells Facing South. "These are highly skilled political operatives -- something doesn't add up. Maybe it's all well-intended and explainable. At this moment, our first priority is to stop the robo-calls and prevent the chaos and potential disenfranchisement caused by this group sending 276,000 packets of registration forms into North Carolina a few days before a heated primary election. We need their immediate cooperation."

-snip
http://southernstudies.org/facingsouth/2008/04/facing-south-exclusive-dc-nonprofit.asp





WVWV BOARD AND BIOS:

http://web.archive.org/web/20070706100052/http://www.wvwv.org/aboutwvwv/index.cfm?id=3




Group Missed Oregon Primary Deadline, Too
By Paul Kiel - April 30, 2008, 4:15PM
As an update to my earlier post on the Women's Vote Women's Voices calls, we can show you an example of the voter registration packet the group has been sending out.

Thanks to TPM Reader PC, here is a mailer received by a reader in Oregon, one of the 24 states (pdf) where the group has sent mailers.

The mailer was addressed to PC's wife, and he says she received not one but two copies. He also notes that the mailer arrived just as the deadline to register in Oregon's presidential primary passed. That's been a persistent problem for the group, not only in North Carolina, but also in Virginia and Wisconsin. Wisconsin officials even issued a press release lecturing the group on its methods, saying that the forms would create more confusion and that voters who needlessly registered twice would have to re-register at the polling place because they'd registered past the primary deadline (Wisconsin allows same-day registration). "It's unfortunate that such groups do not inform voters of our deadlines," said Kevin Kennedy, director of the state Government Accountability Board.

So while the spokeswoman for the group told me that the North Carolina calls and mailers were a mix up, it seems that the group has gotten mixed up a number of times before.

Update: As Facing South notes, the mailers originally had language saying that recipients were "required" to mail back the form. That language was dropped after complaints in a number of states and from a number of state officials.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/04/group_missed_oregon_deadline_t.php









North Carolina AG Opens Investigation of Robo Calls
By Paul Kiel - April 30, 2008, 6:22PM

And yet another development on those calls by Women's Voices Women Vote.

North Carolina's attorney general has just put out a press release (pdf) saying that he's investigating the calls and taking credit for having them stopped. "Regardless of the motivation, the robo-calls violated the law and they needed to stop," Roy Cooper said. He also includes a correspondence with the group's lawyer. In the letter, Cooper requests a variety of information about the calls.

Sarah Johnson, the group's spokeswoman declined to comment on the correspondence, referring questions to the group's lawyer. But she did say that the calls occurred last Thursday and Friday in North Carolina as they did in all the other 24 states (pdf) targeted by the group this April.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/04/north_carolina_ag_opens_invest.php


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Cheap_Trick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:07 PM
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1. which is why the Kantor video flap
is probably a product of Hillary's campaign. Which one is going to get the air time? Exactly.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:12 PM
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2. K&R#5-plus don't anyone forget the fact that Mark Penn is still doing "polls and advising"
Team Clinton.

"Know Your DLC: Mark Penn"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5515506

"Inconvenient truths about the New Democrats, the Third Way, Democratic Leadership Council, etc."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2973191
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:16 PM
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3. "Political Mugging In America: Anatomy of an 'Independent' Smear" by Charles Lewis
(3-6-2004 Center for Public Integrity article reposted on Common Dreams)
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0306-04.htm
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:28 PM
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4. Not only real, but illegal, unethical, wholly intentional, and downright dirty
Edited on Fri May-02-08 02:31 PM by frazzled
There is really nothing to doubt here: the facts are pretty indisputable. This is a very serious story, and it's being ignored.

I don't really give a shit whether Mickey Kantor said shit (though it's wholly tempting to impute to Mrs. Clinton words spoken by others, since that is all we have heard for the last 6 months). But this other thing: it truly makes me despair. It is this kind of dirty, ugly, Republican-style politics that has driven me away from the Clinton campaign and made me doubt their very moral core.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 03:23 PM
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18. Exactly. The timing of the fake Kantor story is very suspicious.
The Clinton campaign needs to answer for the robo-calling connections. Now!
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:35 PM
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23. Yep, it's Friday & they needed to distract the media until they HOPED this scandal will blow over.
It's up to us that it not!

:hi:
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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:10 PM
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25. Uh, but not by the Clinton campaign either. Care to mention that? nt
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:23 PM
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26. Check out this chart from 2006 (back when HRC thought she was in for a cakewalk):
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:24 PM
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27. The evidence indicates otherwise
Perhaps if you read all the articles, you would be less willing to post that.

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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:53 PM
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32. NCAG is recording complaints from voters - people should report problems
go to www.ncvoter.net we have the phone numbers, a widget etc to report incidents.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:54 PM
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33. Women's Voices board member John Podesta, former Chief of Staff for President Bill Clinton,
thats a tight connection.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:56 PM
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34. Women's Voices Executive Director Joe Goode worked for Bill Clinton's election campaign in 1992 as a
more Clinton connections
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:00 PM
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35. Clinton campaign mgr Maggie Williams, former memb of WVWV's leadership team
Wednesday, April 30, 2008
Same firm does voter contact work for robo-call group, Clinton campaign
In our earlier investigation revealing the outfit behind the misleading and illegal robo-calls made to North Carolina voters just days before a critical primary election, we reported that questions have been raised about the connections between that group -- the D.C.-based nonprofit Women's Voices Women Vote -- and the Hillary Clinton presidential campaign.

We noted, for example, that WVWV Founder and President Page Gardner has donated generously to Clinton and to HILLPAC, but has given nothing to the Obama campaign, according to OpenSecrets.org. We also noted that WVWV Executive Director Joe Goode previously worked as a pollster for Bill Clinton, and that WVWV board member John Podesta is the former chief of staff for President Clinton as well as a Hillary Clinton donor.

There are other connections that we did not mention, but that have been pointed out in comments here and at other sites. For example, Maggie Williams is a former member of WVWV's leadership team, according to Sourcewatch.org; she also served as chief of staff to First Lady Hillary Clinton and to the Clinton Foundation in New York, and she was named the manager of Clinton's campaign in February. And Holly Schadler, WVWV's attorney, helped set up the Back to Business Committee in 1994 to defend Bill and Hillary Clinton from attacks by political enemies.

But one of the most striking connections between WVWV and the Clinton campaign -- and one particularly relevant to a story involving what appear to be voter suppression efforts right before an election -- was pointed out to us by a reader. He notes that the firm in charge of voter outreach for WVWV is MSHC Partners, whose president is Hal Malchow. Sourcewatch.org reports that Malchow was a member of WVWV's leadership team.

...more at

http://southernstudies.org/facingsouth/2008/04/same-firm-does-voter-contact-work-for.asp




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Bunkie0913 Donating Member (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 01:35 PM
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56. Great info
Thanks for posting text and link. This is indeed a game of connect the dots.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:01 PM
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37. See "Facing South" website for breaking news on this scandal
they broke the full story, they discovered who was making the robo calls.

http://southernstudies.org/facingsouth/
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:03 PM
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38. UPDATE: Why did Women's Voices use disruptive voter registration approach in NC?
Friday, May 02, 2008
Why did Women's Voices use disruptive voter registration approach in NC?

In response to our investigation of Women's Voices Women Vote and their illegal and deceptive voter outreach in North Carolina before the critical state primaries, some have defended their voter registration approach.

No one seems to be defending Women's Voices' use of anonymous, illegal robo-calls in North Carolina, or their decision to do those calls in North Carolina two and a half months after they had told a newspaper in Virginia that they vowed to stop the practice nation-wide.

This strategy -- which Women's Voices conceded could cause problems, in a letter they faxed to the N.C. State Board of Elections on Monday -- is all the more curious given that every organization Facing South spoke to that has been involved in voter registration in North Carolina has been using a much easier alternative: One-Stop Early Voting.

This voting reform, passed last year, allows North Carolina voters to register and vote all at once at over 200 One Stop voting centers across the state. Representatives from Democracy North Carolina, the NAACP, and the N.C Democratic Party all tell us they have been pushing almost exclusively for One-Stop Voting, because of its ability to capitalize on interest in elections created by the primaries, but also avoids the potential of discouraging and disenfranchising voters inherent in Women's Voices' approach.

For example, as Damon Circosta of the N.C. Center for Voter Education said to Facing South:

“Ever since the register-by-mail deadline passed, nearly every voter engagement group in the state has been pushing one-stop early voting, where you can register and vote at the same time without mailing anything in. To be pushing mail-in registration at this time is either a blunder of comedic proportions or a deliberate attempt to confuse.”

...more at the link
http://southernstudies.org/facingsouth/2008/05/why-did-womens-voices-use-most.asp

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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:32 PM
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5. Everyone should be emailing this stuff to the media talking heads!
Demand that they cover it like they cover other pointless non-politically relevant trash like the opinion of former pastors.

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bigbrother05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:34 PM
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6. K and R
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:41 PM
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7. Kicked!!
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TheDudeAbides Donating Member (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:46 PM
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8. No harm; no foul. Unlike Obama's mistake in Washingston
These calls took place *after* the deadline to register to vote.
So, no harm done.

Obama's campaign made a similar "mistake" in Washington earlier this year.
But no stink was made of it even though some claim it did effect the caucus results there.

Hmmm....do I sense desperation?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 02:59 PM
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9. No. It was not "similar". Obama supporters were called
Edited on Fri May-02-08 02:59 PM by sfexpat2000
to go caucus on the wrong date because the callers' script was wrong. The mistake was corrected, and those voters were called again with the right date.

Nice try, though. See the Seattle paper's article here:

http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/28523-obama-robocalls-telling-wa-voters-wrong-caucus-date
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TheDudeAbides Donating Member (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 03:02 PM
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10. Explain to me how the NC calls effected anything?
I thought the NC calls were about registering to vote...but were after the deadline.
Is that true?
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 03:05 PM
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Make your case to the NC AG who is investigating and read my post below.
Several of us have asked the House Judiciary Committee (who investigated similar Republican tactics) to also investigate this.


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Medusa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 03:05 PM
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12. People got those calls and thought that there were no longer registered
and thus were unable to vote in next week's primary. Still more were confused and thought they had to complete registration again and that given the deadline for the primary were no longer able to vote. It's called voter supression and who were they targeting? African Americans. I know that some of you Hillbots are incredibly dense but you should be able to see what the problem with these kind of tactics is. Oh right, you have no problem with it just so long as it helps Hillary. I think it should be incredibly obvious by now to even the dumbest among you that this woman will do anything, say anything and try anything in her quest for power. And that may be the scariest thing of all.
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TheDudeAbides Donating Member (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 03:08 PM
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14. ok smartass...it was an honest question; thanks for the tude n/t
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:07 PM
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41. the calls failed to mention that voters could register in person up through May 3
thats even more despicable.

Political operatives run that organization.
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 10:19 AM
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52. Coming from you, that is hilarious N/T
:rofl:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 03:06 PM
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13. You may not be aware of this but confusing voters about the process
is classic vote suppression. The Republicans do this every election year and steal our elections in exactly this way and on the backs of black voters.

Yes, the mailing and the calls were after the deadline. So, whoever followed those instructions could screw up their ability to vote by sending in what looks like a change in their registration.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 03:21 PM
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16. I swear they're using kkkarl's guide on how to "win" elections.
:eyes:

I think the "dude" has left us. Didn't want to work with facts!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 03:22 PM
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17. There's no light between this campaign and any Rove-run campaign. n/t
Edited on Fri May-02-08 03:23 PM by sfexpat2000
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:01 PM
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36. .
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 03:09 PM
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15. Weird how these folks show up w/o mounting an argument based on facts-
isn't it?

It was really great that NPR featured it on All Things Considered!
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 03:03 PM
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11. No harm? No foul? Illegal and Conflict of interest are terms that have been used, but nice try.


North Carolina attorney general's accusation that the group's calls were illegal because the group was not identified and did not provide a call back number

from NPR:

"Charity watchdogs say the way the group Women's Voices Women Vote has spent its money on at least one contract raises red flags."

"This sounds like a classic example of voter suppression"

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90114863


NORTH CAROLINA'S ATTORNEY GENERAL:

North Carolina attorney general's accusation that the group's calls were illegal because the group was not identified and did not provide a call back number


http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/05/update_womens_voices_calls.php


""Regardless of the motivation, the robo-calls violated the law and they needed to stop"

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/04/north_carolina_ag_opens_invest.php



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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 03:25 PM
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19. Wrong. These robo-calls were designed to intimidate black voters into not voting.
I've lived in North Carolina for a long time. Jesse Helms did this way back when. Elizabeth Dole did it.

I didn't think I would see Democrats doing this. I didn't think that Hillary Clinton would stoop this low. If her campaign isn't involved, then she needs to explain her top aides' connection to this group right away. Because this stinks to high heaven and I for one will make sure that this story does not go away.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 03:26 PM
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20. Wrong - the way it was worded in a confusing way as if they COULDN'T VOTE UNLESS they
received the package and signed it.

Making it SOUND OFFICIAL was a nice Rovian touch, too.

No harm - when it was DIRECTED at black neighborhoods you SHOULD BE APPALLED.

DU was started because of GOP election fraud.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:29 PM
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21. Not to mention they got orders to cease in early February in Virginia-surely they
had enough time to get it correct (it isn't even difficult and they were well funded) if they wanted to!
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:04 PM
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39. wrong. The calls told the voters they couldn't vote until they mailed reg forms in
they persuaded the listeners that they couldn't vote.

As someone who canvassed voters today, I can tell you that some
were very unsure about whether they could vote or when.

This was an assault on the Black Community.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 10:07 AM
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50. Another HRC supporter with profile disabled?
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 10:38 AM
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53. Wow... If You Think a Post Like That Will Win Hillary Support
You are mistaken.....




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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:33 PM
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22. kicky-poo.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:08 PM
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24. Commondreams piece outlines WVWV problems in other states:
* In Arizona last November, election officials were “inundated with complaints” after Women’s Voices sent a mailing erroneously claiming that recipients were “required” to mail back an enclosed voter registration form. Many who received the mailing were already registered; the mailing also gave the wrong registration date. Secretary of State Jan Brewer denounced the group’s tactics as “misleading and deceptive.” A similar mailing in Colorado that month “ fire and caused confusion,” according to a state press release.

* In Wisconsin, state officials singled out Women’s Voices for misleading and possibly disenfranchising voters, stating in a press release : “One group in particular — Women’s Voices. Women Vote, of Washington, D.C. — apparently ignored or disregarded state deadlines in seeking to register voters,” sending in registrations past the January 30 deadline and causing “hundreds of Wisconsin voters who think they registered in advance” to actually not be.

-snip

* A 1.5 million-piece Women’s Voices mailing in Florida falsely stated: “To comply with state voting requirements, please return the enclosed application.” Pasco County’s elections supervisor called it “disingenuous”; another said it created “a lot of unnecessary panic on behalf of the voters,” reported local newspapers. Sarah Johnson of Women’s Voice said, “I’m sorry to hear that.”

* By March, Women’s Voices was backing off the erroneous “registration is required” language, but there were still problems. For example, a mailing in Arkansas allowed that “registering to vote is voluntary,” but a clerk in Washington County reported that “the majority sent back to the county come from registered voters, causing needless labor for office employees.”

Problems with the group’s tactics have also been documented in Louisiana, Kentucky and Ohio.

-snip

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/05/01/8633/
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:43 PM
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29. I'm glad North Carolina...
and the AG got this story out! Amazing how we didn't hear about it from these other states.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:48 PM
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31. I'm wondering about that too ....
Edited on Fri May-02-08 09:52 PM by marions ghost
are the laws so different in NC or what?

I have a theory that since this kind of stuff is so common in NC (the Jesse Helms days are not really that long ago), there was more sensitivity to it and people reacted more forcefully.

I could be way off base. I don't know. But it is a question--what happened in the 11 other states? There were reprimands but no "cease and desist" orders...
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 11:07 PM
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42. I think it is a state law...
not sure if other states have the same law...I don't get them here..but I think here it's part of the "Do Not Call" thing.
Attorney General Roy Cooper is warning people about prerecorded telemarketing calls from outfits with generic sounding names like
"account services," "customer accounts" or "card services." The robo call tells people that they qualify for better rates on their credit card. They're then asked to give an operator their credit card and bank information. Cooper says this is a scam, an attempt to steal your identity. So far, it appears these calls are coming from overseas, using spoofed caller id numbers. Robo calls are illegal in North Carolina, unless a live person asks first if you want to hear a recorded sales pitch.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 10:06 PM
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40. they mailed reg forms out after deadline in Oregon too
another state likely to go Obama.

Its rovian - trying to shave down Obama's lead.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 09:27 AM
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43. Just another coincidence-I guess
:sarcasm:

Once, you might suggest incompetence-maybe twice but seeing this is a very well funded organization who repeated the same problems even after warnings from the State Police (Virginia) and bad press about it, you have to conclude it was malfeasance-imho. Violations are $5,000-a mere drop in the bucket to disenfranchise an opponents voting base. :mad:


BTW-it makes me sick to my stomach that fellow Dems are dismissing this abhorrent tactics.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 10:05 AM
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49. "I'm sorry, but claims of incompetence just do not cover this at all. IMO, this was malfeasance"
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 09:28 AM
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44. .
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:30 PM
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28. KandR
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:43 PM
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30. kick
Edited on Fri May-02-08 09:43 PM by marions ghost
too tired to say anything more about this disturbing occurrance...but I'm going to continue to follow

keep it alive :thumbsup:
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 09:29 AM
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45. Has this been covered at MSNBC?
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 09:46 AM
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46. I haven't heard it. I thought KO was going to bring it up last night in a segment when he
discussed Sidney Blumenthal-but no go! TPM & NPR has had the best coverage from news sources imho. The corporate media abysmal as predicted. :mad:


Sydney Blumenthal: Republican

Posted May 2, 2008 | 10:41 PM (EST)

Sydney Blumenthal has written some wonderful and amazing political commentary in his day. He is clearly a brilliant person who knows exactly what he is doing at all times. Therefore it is curious that he would join ranks with the likes of Richard Mellon Scaife and Bill Kristol's The Weekly Standard and National Review to pile on with the Carvilles and the Penns and the Clintons to amp up the "negatives" of Barack Obama. Why? Why are these "Democrats" behaving like Republicans? And doesn't that tell you that they are not really Democrats?

Your book, Sydney, "The Clinton Wars," is one of my favorites of the era. I, for one, cannot believe after writing such a book you could ever do this to the progressive Democratic candidate for president -- and the first African-American presidential candidate to make it this far in the nominating contest in American history.

Sydney, Matt Drudge wrongfully accused you of spousal abuse. Now you feel it is politic to join ranks with this person and his ilk? Just to prove your loyalty to the Clintons?

Sydney, this is on the level of John McCain joining George W. Bush at the hip after Karl Rove and his campaign slimed his "black baby" -- the McCains' daughter they adopted from Bangladesh. Thus, Rove turned a positive into a negative. Disgraceful.


-snip
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joseph-a-palermo/sydney-blumenthal-republi_b_99920.html
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 10:14 AM
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51. I expect the GOP aren't too interested so it won't be shown
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 09:51 AM
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47. WTF
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 09:55 AM
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48. Here's a list of links sent by MCM:
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 11:21 AM
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54. some e-voting activists shying away from this politically incorrect story
its only fraud when a republican does it.

Robo calls targeting african americans are ok as long as a dem does it.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 01:50 PM
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57. Then, what is their problem?
:evilgrin:
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 01:52 PM
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58. Once, maybe twice-it's incompetence but repeatedly? and warned by police in Feb
"Follow the Money". "Who benefits from this?"

Just as we have seen the Clinton Campaign attempt to intimidate the media we are now seeing folks trying to shut down this story use similar techniques:

examples:

"Josh Marshall in particular has been flogging this story without context,"

"On Wednesday, TPM published Gardner's letter, and Kiel wrote a post in which he linked to it. Even with the letter in hand, though, Kiel headlined his very next post "Group Missed Oregon Primary Deadline, Too," and wrote about a mailer in Oregon that "arrived just as the deadline to register in Oregon's presidential primary passed," adding, "That's been a persistent problem for the group, not only in North Carolina, but also in Virginia and Wisconsin ... So while the spokeswoman for the group told me that the North Carolina calls and mailers were a mix up, it seems that the group has gotten mixed up a number of times before." On TPM's main page, Marshall linked to Kiel's post and wrote, "Seems the group flubbed the deadline in Oregon too."

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/05/02/robocalls/index.html?source=newsletter

Alex Koppelman

Friday, May 2, 2008 16:46 EDT
Voter suppression in North Carolina?


Like I said previously, if it happened once or twice it might have been seen as incompetence but it happened repeatedly by a well funded group of party insiders EVEN AFTER THEY WERE CALLED OUT BY STATE POLICE IN VIRGINIA IN EARLY FEBRUARY! I say this needs to be examined in more depth. Follow the money. Who benefits from this "incompetence"? and if it was incompetence, why hasn't there been firings and/or resignations?
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 06:44 PM
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60. Yep.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-03-08 01:28 PM
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55. bttt
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:56 PM
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59. .
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