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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 08:44 AM
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Message to John Kerry and the DNC
I for one want to hear Senator Clinton speak! Your predecessor made a huge mistake in ignoring Clinton, and you will be making a huge mistake if she doesn't have a more prominent role at the convention.

What are other thoughts on Senator Clinton's strategic participation or non-participation? I think it's a slap in the face to female democrats, and that denying her a contributory role at the convention is tacitly buying into the republican hate-mongering bullshit instead of throwing it back in their face. If the democratic party thinks of Senator Clinton as a liability, then I'm already starting to question their judgement.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 08:46 AM
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1. No, it's not.
Hillary doesn't want to speak. She's spoken at the last couple of conventions. Time for us to have our future on display - not our past.

And have you forgotten Nancy Pelosi? Last I checked, she was a female democrat too!
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 08:52 AM
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3. I still think it's bad strategy
I like Hillary Clinton. I have never bought into the tiniest bit of bullshit about her, and this has other ramifications about our perceptions of ourselves as democrats. Our future is based on our past, and we need to show all the generations and rationales working together in support of throwing out the Republicans.

Well, anyway, I disagree. BTW, not making a stink about not speaking is not the same as "not wanting to speak".
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 08:58 AM
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6. I understand you're a Hillary fan
But I don't see how this is at all a "slap in the face of women democrats". She's only one of them. She's spoken many times before. She didn't ask to speak this time. And there are many other prominent women speaking. It says nothing about our perceptions of ourselves as Democrats.
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TeacherCreature Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 01:10 PM
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20. She is the Female star of the party
pretending otherwise is useless.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 08:49 AM
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2. I like Hillary
But she's the Junior Senator from her state. Not in Leadership nor a senior meember of the Senate. She will be part of the women in the Senate presentation on Monday (I think).

As former First Lady she should be on the podium with Bill, in my opnion. But I don't see why she'd have a bigger role.
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RhodaGrits Donating Member (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 08:54 AM
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4. She is my senator, and I think its ridiculous that a junior senator
and former first lady HAS to speak. There are lots more women in the democratic party with longterm credentials who should be speaking. I was very disappointed with her support for Bush going to Iraq and many other positions.
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samurai_jack Donating Member (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 08:57 AM
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5. SHE SHOULD SPEAK!!
Hillary is one of the Democratic Party's most important leaders...she should speak. End of story. I can't believe that Kerry is "dissing" her like this..
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Options Remain Donating Member (475 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 08:59 AM
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7. if she WANTED to speak she would be
this is not what you are perceiving it to be.

TearForger
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 09:13 AM
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9. This is a silly distraction being stirred-up by right wingers
Hillary is going to campaign for Kerry. Hillary is a junior senator from New York; her career is just beginning.

The right-wingers are trying to divide Dems by going on and on about this.
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AVID Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 09:41 AM
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13. hmmmm. . .next RW TP Kerry disses Hillary
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 09:02 AM
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8. I think the GOP is fanning this flame
They're making this out to be a bigger deal than it is, in my opinion.
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lovedems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 09:13 AM
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10. You said that Gore made a mistake in ignoring the Clinton's
But Kerry isn't making that mistake. The Big Dog and Gore will be speaking. Kerry intends to embrace Clinton (looking at the past) but also look to the future of the party (Obama).

There are so many good democrats to speak and I think they have reached a fine balance of looking back and looking forward with the speakers they have.

I don't find it a slap in the face at all. If Hillary isn't pissed, why should you be?
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 09:39 AM
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12. not pissed
I was asking for opinions from my compadres here.

I actually agree with some of the comments here - only thing is that Senator Clinton would not publicly say she was "pissed" anyway, because that would be divisive and I think she has more vision than that. Anyway, I would like to hear her speak.

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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 09:37 AM
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11. Hillary is working hard to put Kerry in the White House. Bottom line.
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King of New Orleans Donating Member (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 09:50 AM
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14. If you want to see how "outraged" we are
just check the DU poll from yesterday

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=578837&mesg_id=578837

Lots of female Democrats play prominent roles in the party and at the convention. Sometimes ya gotta spread the wealth.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 09:51 AM
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15. A female democrat says
What a bunch of horseshit. I've heard Hillary speak 100 times, I'd like to hear what some other people have to say for a change.
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TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 09:56 AM
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16. I disagree. Bill Clinton is speaking. Hillary, popular though she
is, doesn't really need to speak, unless she has something particular to say, and IF she asks (which she has not).

I like Hillary. I'd probably vote for her for President. But Kerry's staff and the DNC have chosen a varied and diverse group of Democratic leaders and up and coming Democrats to speak. They will not be making a grave error in letting only one of the Clintons speak, IMO.

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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 10:03 AM
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17. I think Kerry is making a bigger mistake
I think both Howard Dean and Wesley Clark should be given prominent slots during the convention. It would be revisionist history to act now as if only John Kerry and John Edwards left the Primaries with large enthusiastic followings in the Democratic Party. The 2004 Primary Season was the first held since the advent of Reality TV, and for many it was followed in much the same way as American Idol. I'm being tongue in cheek here, but only partially.

The Democrats haven't offered a diverse and dramatic Primary field of contestants since 1992, and since then Cable News viewership has exploded also. Even Lieberman, Gephardt, Graham, Mosely-Braun, and Sharpton became regular visitors into American homes, but Howard Dean and Wesley Clark, along with the John Boys, spent the most time in our living rooms. Dennis Kucinich had and has an important role as well, but since he continued his campaign rather than endorsing Kerry, his is a special case and he will likely claim his air time in connection with his name being placed into formal consideration for the nomination. Dean and Clark could do the same obviously, but since they both closed ranks around Kerry publicly, they are in the roles of good soldiers, graciously playing whatever role Kerry gives them at the Convention. It is for that very reason that Kerry should graciously give them each a major role.

The case for Howard Dean should be obvious. Dean has an incredibly passionate following, many of whom do not have long and deep ties to the Democratic Party. And then Dean was right about Iraq of course, and Iraq is the noose around Bush's neck right now. Perhaps unlike Dennis however, while addressing Iraq Howard can be counted on not to say too much that will directly embarrass either Kerry or Edwards about their roles in Congress leading up to the War. Dean can help bind potential divisions in the Democratic Party through a featured appearance in a way no other single speech could even dream of accomplishing.

Wesley Clark was right about Iraq also, and in stunning detail it can be added. Clark has proven to be a sage in documenting all of the failings of Bush's foreign policy. And Clark fills out the Final Four from the Primaries, with a win and a number of second place finishes under his belt. Perhaps as important though, Clark became Kerry's primary media surrogate for months up until the moment Kerry chose Edwards as his VP. For it to appear that Clark is being pushed off the stage now is unseemly at the least, and potentially it implies a rift, be it actual or not, and will do so regardless of statements made by both men to the contrary.

National political conventions are currently used to conduct a celebration of National Unity while highlighting the Ticket chosen as the new leaders of our unified team. Jerking the spotlight hastily onto the new Ticket, before ceremoniously laying the symbolic foundation of unity, is a mistake in my opinion. And it is a needless one. Neither Howard Dean nor Wesley Clark would do or say anything to steal the spotlight away from John Kerry or John Edwards. The Democratic Unity Dinner was a fine idea, but it was small potatoes compared to a National Convention. Few viewers saw more than 30 seconds coverage of it. Feature men like Howard Dean and Wesley Clark prominently at the Convention, and they can leave Boston with high esteem, fully empowered to hit the road on behalf of the Kerry/Edwards ticket. Shunting them to the side now only dampens the emotional elation of unity that delegates will leave Boston with, and it lessens the two men's later effectiveness for the Democratic Ticket. Dean and Clark are not only "stars" in the Democratic Party, they are identified in the public mind with this Presidential campaign. Not to adequately acknowledge and build on that reality is short sighted.

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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 12:59 PM
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18. Dean has a major speaking role on Monday
Haven't heard anything about Clark.
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 01:06 PM
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19. There are several female speakers this
year...and of course Hillary's husband.
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