I'm a bit confused here. Hillay supporters help me out.

[barack the house]

So to have good judgment we must pick the finest pastor in the land who never saying any thing offensive. BUT to threat blow a country off the map is good judgment. well that's reasonable then. Why would I question that?

[MonkeyFunk]

1. Maybe because

that's a overly simplistic view of it.

She didn't threaten to blow a country off the map, no matter how often Obama fans lie about it.

[sandnsea]

2. No, she promised to blow a country off the map

any country that attacked Israel, in addition to similarly defending any country that wants to jump under her proposed security umbrella. That's what she promised.

It's kinda funny that Clinton supporters have consistently said Obama supporters never want to talk about policy - but no matter how many crappy policies she is proven to support, you guys just keep hanging right on to her.

[DemVet]

9. Hey, it's all good.

If Iran gets out of line, they may need to be smacked down.

I don't have a problem with that.

[barack the house]

13. So in reverse you would be happy with a threat of similar. whoa.

[Dogmudgeon]

14. And Obama agrees

How 'bout that remark that nuclear retaliation isn't "off the table" -- ?

Since Obama is incapable of telling a lie, I have to assume it means that he would nuke Iran for some undefined grave atrocity.

--p!

[Mezzo]

20. ding ding ding

[sandnsea]

35. No, that's generic national security talk

"Obliteration" and this new "security umbrella" are completely different. I thought DUers didn't need the national media to tell them they were supposed to be concerned about dangerous security policy. This "security umbrella" is insane and incredibly dangerous. And "obliteration" garbage is cowboy bullying at its worse. If Bush said these things, every single Hillary supporter on this board would become unhinged.

[CreekDog]

3. true, that's not what she said

here's what she said:

"If I'm the president, we will attack Iran... we would be able to totally obliterate them..."

not much better or much different actually.

glad you are so patient with your candidate. it would be just swell if you could have 10% as much patience with our candidate too.

thanks now, buh bye! :hi:

[quickesst]

4. More koolaid anyone?

Notice the response by O fans, eerily similar tactic used by the Iranian ambassador mentioned below. Obama fans, pretending that Israel is not an ally, and that nuclear obliteration is not grounds for retaliation, not to mention ripping honesty, and logic a new asshole, again. I wonder what response the US should take if Iran indeed decides to use nuclear weapons on Israel. Say it's ok, and please don't do it again. Oh wait, they won't have to. Thanks.
quickesst


"The question was, 'If Iran were to launch a nuclear attack on Israel, what would our response be?' And I want the Iranians to know that if I'm president, we will attack Iran" to retaliate against an Iranian nuclear hit on Israel, Clinton said.

"In the next 10 years, during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them."

Danesh-Yazdi's letter used a partial quote that did not mention an attack on Israel. It said Clinton "unwarrantedly and under erroneous and false pretexts threatened to use force against the Islamic Republic of Iran."

[LaurenG]

7. Now , now

no one is pretending that Israel isn't an ally. The problem here is Israel has more money than we do, I hope that if Iran were really about to harm another country we would have the money and manpower to stop them.

That said, why even bring that up. Was it to prove her "testicular fortitude"?

In my opinion Iran is not the problem she should be discussing right now. If we don't do something about the economy and our natural resources (among a host of other things)we won't be able to lift a finger to help.

She needs to screw all the "special interest" crap and come back down to earth with the nation of America and get busy talking about what we really need to do. We are all in this together and if we DON'T fix ourselves first we'll have nothing at all to help anyone else fix anything.

The candidates (and their supporters) talk crap while America melts down. x(

[Lerkfish]

8. plonk for completely missing the point

and for the record, which is it? koolaid or lattes?

we actual democrats can't keep straight which beverage you clinton supporters keep wanting us to drink.

myself, I'm a diet pepsi kind of guy. Does that make me evil?
I just want to support the democracy and country I love instead of a warmongering politically tone deaf corporate candidate.... is that so wrong?

[MonkeyFunk]

25. I would normally be surprised

that a DUer would misrepresent her point so badly, but but the lies spewed by Obama fans here lately have shown me that nothing is beneath you guys.

[Perry Logan]

5. Don't ask Hillary's supporters. Ask the media.

[Double T]

6. Religion has NO PLACE in politics. BO put it front and center.

BHO claims he was NEVER a Muslim, yet he has a Muslim name. There is NOTHING WRONG with being a Muslim, denying it, when it is apparent, is fraud. I would question your candidates judgment and honesty; the fact that BO says he WOULD HAVE voted against the 'war' is meaningless; BO WAS NOT THERE! HRC NEVER voted to 'blow a country off the map'; bush misrepresented the facts and abused the Congressional authority given to him.

[Girlieman]

10. A "muslim" name? That's simply ignorant

Barack is from the Arabic and means blessed if I'm not mistaken. A cognate of the Hebrew Baruch. There are many first names from Arabic that are popular and not religious in the least.

Obama was his father's last name.

A child does not become Muslim simply by being given a particular name by his parents. One must choose to be Muslim.

Obama was raised by his mother in no religious tradition. When he became of age, he chose to be Christian. That's probably more than most Americans can say, who simply take the religion of their parents.

[sniffa]

38. Ignored is ignorant?

:wow:

[TheDoorbellRang]

12. Obama put religion front and center???

Seems to me it was the media who put religion front and center.

Did you actually believe the smear email that said he was a Muslim? I know some people that are fourth generation Americans with -- as you call it -- a Muslim name. All the years I've known them they've gone to a Christian Church, as did their parents. So by your logic anyone with an Arabic heritage is a Muslim, whether or not they claim to be.

Just how is it "apparent" that he is a Muslim? I'm dying to see your reasoning on this.

[barack the house]

15. Having a muslim name does not make you muslim if your mum named you It's inherited.

[roseBudd]

27. Not only is Obama not a Muslim, he was raised with no religion because his mother had none

Making excuses for the vote that led to THE BIGGEST FOREIGN POLICY DEBACLE of this century is reprehensible.

[aquarius dawning]

11. I personally like her hard line approach to the Iranian/Ahmedinijihad problem

I have zero love for the Iranians. If they attack israel or any of our allies, I fully expect America to respond quickly and decisively. Obama's problem is that he is running as a dove in a world that requires a bit of a hawk. To reiterate, I have no problem at all with Hillary's position regarding Iran.

[barack the house]

16. So what are we voting against?

[barack the house]

21. You do realise war is the the beginning and the end of America's problems it drained the economy.

[aquarius dawning]

26. I'd rather see Hillary rattling her saber than Barack rattling a tambourine WRT Iran and the ME.

Saber rattling doesn't cost us anything. Inappropriate dovish rhetoric might.

[roseBudd]

29. Yes because saber rattling a country that borders US troops who happens to have a HUGE army makes

our troops so much safer

[aquarius dawning]

24. You assume that "we" are all on the same sheet of music wrt US foreign policy.

We aren't. These are no times for doves.

[dcindian]

17. " I have zero love for the Iranians"

You have zero love for millions of people you never met. Yet you have so much love for millions of people you never met to obliterate many millions of people you never met?


That is a republican set of mores right there.

[aquarius dawning]

28. I have no love for anyone who still enforces Sharia law.

[hokies4ever]

32. NEWSFLASH: Iraq still enforces Sharia law

Jon Stewart had someone on his show last week who helped draft the Iraqi Constitution. (He didn't write it, but helped interpret it into English for the US to understand). The fallacy of the Iraq democracy is that the people vote to continue their traditions.

[hokies4ever]

33. You really want WWIII?

Because that's what you would get. USA, Israel, and Britain (we were just kidding about the Iraqi WMDs, please don't be mad and come support us) will be on one side and Iran, Syria, and Russia will be on the other side. China will take this opportunity to put the smack down on Tibet and might go for Taiwan as well. OPEC will exert its influence and place an oil embargo on the USA and its allies.

[Shae]

36. WWIII

It's all good with them as long as Hillary gets in. If she says or does it, it's gotta be okay.
I really don't see a lot of difference between Hillary and McWar at this point.

[Dogmudgeon]

18. Didn't Obama say we needed to "move on" from "gotcha" politics?

Or does that only apply to Hillary?

(Do I even have to ask?)

--p!

[hokies4ever]

22. Hillary taught us well

We're just making sure that all of her baggage is completely rummaged through. After all, we know that the Republican attack machine will be much more brutal, so we're just putting her through the paces. She'll thank us for this later. :rofl:

[Dogmudgeon]

30. A little late, aren't you?

Nearly all of that baggage had been previously inspected by the Republican Federales; some as early as the 1980s from Arkansas, but certainly by the impeachment era.

She survived. So did Bill.

And guess what happened to their attackers in the text two elections. How many of the House Impeachment Committee members are still in power?

But, if it does your heart well, rummage on. Make sure the American people see every bit of it. They will understand that Barack Obama signed the paperwork.

--p!

[cornermouse]

19. I guess you forgot that Obama also said

he would attack Iran if he thought he had reason. Fancy that. :shrug:

[hokies4ever]

31. Iran submits protest letter to UN over Hillary's 'obliteration'

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/nation/stories/DN-clinton_02pol.ART.State.Edition1.46099ff.html

Iran submitted a protest letter to the UN Security Council over Hillary's remarks. Great way to improve our worldwide image Hillary. Now we look like warmongers and Iran gets to play the innocent victim card, for which the world is buying more and more into nowadays. Dubya just sent another aircraft carrier to the Middle East as a 'reminder' to Iran. Looks like Hillary will be in a great position to continue a 3rd term for Dubya.

[nicknyc]

23. how come..

so called elite educated ones are having problem in putting the whole sentence together.

let me put it here again for those who don't understand:

IF IRAN NUKE ISRAEL, AMERICA WILL RESPOND BACK BY NUKING IRAN.

I see nothing wrong in letting Iran know that if they try to be a--hole, they will be dealt strongly, unlike some wimp candidate who will probably go and sit with their terrorist president but will have issue with debating in front of American public.

[saltpoint]

34. As pastors go, a lot of Christians who claim outrage at Rev. Wright

forget that Jesus was not exactly a company man.

The world's most world-changer-type pastor folks all seem to have a sense of defiance of the status quo about them, and most also left a legacy of challenge to things-as-they-are.

During their life times, many of those folks were feared, spoken against, censored, or had their asses nailed to a board.

In the larger landscape, Rev. Wright is fulfilling the criteria for 'pastor' in an important way, consistent with this model. One doesn't have to agree, or attend his church, to appreciate his role.

[TheDudeAbides]

37. Know anything about Black Liberation Theology?

It's a controversial theology that many experts believe is a bad
choice for a "unifying leader" such as Obama claims to be.
Thus, it creates questions and concerns that voters have.
We need Obama to help us feel more comfortable with this contradiction,
but instead we get attacks from you and nervous avoidance from Obama.

His race speech did not answer the question about how this theology
helps the races unify and evolve into a colorless society; a society where we
no longer judge based on the color of a person's skin.

I *think* BLT is practiced by less than 10% of black americans.
I could be wrong about that.

The Iran threat issue is a different issue that is being discussed in another
thread.