Outlook not looking good for Obama in NJ

[brentspeak]

Example: This morning, I was on line at a local United Methodist Church rummage sale, and some of the people in front of me were discussing Obama. One guy was saying positive things about him (Harvard Law Review president, etc.), but he and some other people believed that the Rev. Wright thing alone could sink him. All agreed that had Rev. Wright been in the public eye back in December or January, Obama would not have won Iowa, and would never have made it this far (that's my opinion, as well.)

These were just average NJ citizens I'm talking about; but their comments seem to be par for the course on the subject of Obama.

[Vinca]

1. Last evening I was waiting in line at a church rummage sale in Vermont

and a guy says to me, "So you're probably supporting Hillary, right?" (Old, white and female.) I gave him a dirty look and said, "Not bloody likely." He started to laugh and said, "Phew. That's good to hear. O-Bam-a!" Everyone there supported Obama.

[woolldog]

7. It sucks to be racially profiled like that, doesn't it?

[Vinca]

11. It's sucks a whole lot more to be old. I was depressed for a week

after going to a movie and getting the senior discount without asking for it.

[woolldog]

14. lol

you're not old. you're experienced and wise.

[Vinca]

18. Actually, the reason I'm an Obama supporter is that I'm automatically

young, better educated and rich.:thumbsup:

[Aloha Spirit]

16. haha what's wrong with discounts? When I worked a register, I'd always give people random discounts!

[brentspeak]

9. The people having the discussion weren't against him

But it was their opinion that he wouldn't be able win (although, I couldn't tell if they meant win against Hillary, or win against McCain.)

[donheld]

20. Then maybe you should be find out instead

of coming in here and sounding like all hope is lost.
Their choice is clear, vote for more of the same or
vote for someone who had a crazy pastor.

[spartan61]

23. Their choice is clear,

vote for more of the same or
vote for someone who had a crazy pastor.

I love this!!! Mind if I use it???:yourock:

[donheld]

53. Have at it.

It couldn't be more clear.

[dogday]

56. What is wrong with repeating what he heard?

Are you that cut off from life that anything outside the box is not to be seen or heard? There are opinions going on out there, and it is important to find out what people are saying about both candidates... I don't have a candidate, but I am sifting through the threads to find out as much as I can about both of them.. I will support and vote for the winner, it's that simple...

[Beacool]

57. Well, you're in Vermont............

Here in NJ, ask the average white folk (not the yuppies) what they think of Obama and you'll get an earful.

:shrug:

[NotThisTime]

64. That's because we went 59% for Obama, not likely to have changed our minds!

And I'm curious where that sale was!

[woolldog]

2. 4/24-28 New Jersey poll results: O-56 Mac-32

C-52 Mac-38

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/poll_monmouth_new_jersey_42428.php

[Jersey Devil]

3. Ridiculous

[RazBerryBeret]

4. I go back and forth with this...

after all, America elected (or came just close enough) a man with family ties to the Bin Ladens....

[DJ13]

5. If you honestly think a 71 year old Bush like conservative can beat Obama

You havent been paying attention to the anger Americans have for anything Bush has done to our country.

Sorry, a traditionally blue state like NJ wont vote for McCain.

[RiverStone]

6. Then they are idiots who can't think for themselves

So they are letting the corporate media whores tell them how to think and what to believe. Letting Wright and the 24/7 talking points define the man....

Did you refer them to DU? :)

We may be fighting like hell at the moment, but at least this place is populated by folks who don't do what the MSM tells them to do.

Hopefully, by Wednesday Obama will have won 3 straight contests and this crazy dance will be over.

[AllentownJake]

8. I went to the local shooting range

and there were only 2 Obama supporters there. The rest supported McCain....he's fucked. :rofl:

[npincus]

10. I live in NJ- --that's a rather sweeping pronouncement you've made based on one conversation

"Outlook not looking good for Obama in nj"????? I beg to differ. My Repub neighber never voted Dem is an Obamaccn. My other neighbors are on board.

These folks you heard are responding to the very latest 24/7 pastorgasm on cable MSM... this too shall pass.

[Jersey Devil]

12. Hoboken rocks! Home of Elysian Fields, Frankie and

Jersey Devil Jr, 13th & Bloomfield

[npincus]

42. Yo, Devil!

Back at ya!!!

We're in Willow Terrace (the north one- the small rowhouses on the cobblestone street)- right across from the A&P on 7th & Clinton! We're the house w/the bench, trees & Obama sign on the door!

I'll look after Jr. and make sure he's a good boy- LOL :rofl:

[Jersey Devil]

45. Jr does a DJ gig a few Saturdays a month

at the Goldhawk. If you see "Mike" say hello. Small world.

[npincus]

63. Funny, I've never been there but always wanted to.

I hope Mike is a Democrat!

[Jersey Devil]

65. Of course

Maybe a more dedicated Dem than I am and an Obama supporter for sure

[brentspeak]

15. I have heard all kinds of opinions on Obama here

While I do see a lot of Obama bumper-stickers, and, sometimes, people wearing Obama buttons, I've also heard some wacked-out opinions concerning him. The most prominent was a couple of months ago at a local library, where some woman insisted that Obama was Muslim. The guy she was talking with, an obvious Obama supporter, tried to tell her that the Muslim thing was just an email rumor, but she wasn't convinced.

The problem is there just might be enough of those Sean Hannity-listening fools to tip an election.

[npincus]

44. have no worries... I think we'll stay blue!

we just have to keep working at it! :)

[DrZeeLit]

54. Think the Rev Wright thing killed the Muslim thing? Would seem logical, but who the heck knows???

[Beacool]

58. My fellow Hobokenite,

do not consider for a minute that our upscale neighborhood (home of both Governor Corzine and Senator Menendez), represents the average person in NJ.

I should know since I volunteered for months in the Hillary campaign in Hudson County and the only town we lost was Jersey City due to the demographics, and even there we lost by a hair. BTW, Hillary won Hoboken.

[npincus]

62. Well, friend,

let's call Hoboken a mixed demographic. True, the influx of well-off folk, condo-ization of our town and the soaring home prices have tipped the balance in favor of the upper income strata, but there are plenty of middle class folk trying to stay here and those on the lower end of the scale as well. My daughter attends Wallace, and the diversity of her peers illustrates that. Hudson Tea Building occupants, like Corzine, are not representative of the "average" person here- even the tea Building seems to be having trouble selling in this climate. (I visited a friend there yesterday and she was telling me management was offering all sorts of incentives to attract buyers- who would've thunk it. Well, all I can say is: thank G-d we moved here before the big real estate boom because we couldn't afford it now!


Anyway, Hoboken is a solid Democratic town and will turn out for whomever the nominee is. (You may know a neighbor, Mike, who works at City Hall and is politically active- he is close to Menendez, worked for him when he was a local politician).

Whereabouts are you, in Hoboken? Anyway, we support different candidates, but it's nice to know there are DUers in my town! :)

[Beacool]

66. I'm on 8th & Washington. n/t

[CakeGrrl]

13. There's a difference between being worried about the Wright issue

and actually buying into it and being scared out of voting for Obama. A few of my relatives, strong Obama supporters, had the same concern, but their support of him is unshaken.

The "weren't ever going to vote for him anyway crowd" will grab onto Wright and use it as yet another excuse. Reasonable people who know what he's about, especially compared to Clinton, will see through the spin.

[truthpusher]

17. you must of heard the Super-Duper-Superdelagate, who speaks for us all?

[DefenseLawyer]

19. I was in line at the movies, some kid said Obama was uncool.

And he was supposed to have the youth vote! We are screwn.

[Kahuna]

21. Really? I saw a Monmouth poll on TPM a few days ago that had

Obama out polling Hillary in NJ. I will see if I can find it.

[Window]

22. I'm in NJ, also. I've been hearing great things from people in general.

[FrenchieCat]

24. Why lie? Obama is polling 45 to Hillary's 38 in New Jersey!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5797581

[brentspeak]

25. What does that have to do with anything? NJ already HAD its primary.

Also, kindly explain how I'm "lying".

[Kahuna]

28. Excuse me! Hello! Are you dense or something? Re-read the OP,

then ask one of your little friends to explain it to you. :eyes:

[brentspeak]

30. In answer to your question: No

Though you, however, appear to be.

[karynnj]

47. Why do your post? NJ already had its primary! You were trying to infer that we could lose NJ

and were called on inferring way more than you should from an overheard conversation.

[stillcool]

26. Last night I went to the supermarket....

and the lady behind me in the check out line said "Hillary Lies, cheats, and steals, and I can not vote for her". Bad news for Hillary. This lady was a regular, white, middle-aged woman. Although, she did say that her brother was a minister, and she doesn't agree with his politics anymore.

[Kahuna]

27. Ha! April 30th poll of NJ voter preferences, Obama vs. Clinton

http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080430/NEWS/804300402


New Jersey voters are proving as fickle as the April weather.

Only two months after handing U.S. Sen. Hillary Clinton a healthy 10-point presidential primary win over Sen. Barack Obama, the state's Democratic voters now say they prefer Obama for president by the same margin, a new Monmouth University/Gannett New Jersey poll found.

And in a head-to-head contest, John McCain — the presumptive Republican presidential nominee — would lose to either Democrat if the election were held today. The poll found that Obama would defeat McCain by 24 percentage points, while Clinton's vic-tory margin would be 14 points.

So what's happened since the Feb. 5 Democratic primary, when Clinton beat Obama 55 to 45 percent?

"New Jersey Democrats see that Obama has the (nationwide) lead, and they feel he should win the nomination," said Patrick Murray, director of the Monmouth University Polling Institute. "Democrats want to see the party united. They feel that if this (contest) goes on, it will hurt the party."

The poll results showed that nearly 40 percent of Democrats said the continuing battle between Obama and Clinton will damage the party's chances in the November general election.

[blue sky at night]

29. guess we should all give up....

man oh man, adding to your post totals or do you want to give us something to think about?

[brentspeak]

33. No, we shouldn't give up

But Obama should define himself better than just saying the word "change" every other minute.

The other day, when I tried to convince a semi-Freeper-ish friend of mine -- who I persuaded a couple of years ago to finally see Bush for what he is -- to support Obama, I found myself unable to articulate clearly just why he would be better than McCain. All I could come up with were, "Uh, McCain wants to keep us in Iraq; he's the same as Bush".

[woolldog]

41. that's your fault for being uninformed.

don't blame Obama for that.

[blue sky at night]

59. well gee....

if that isn't enough then I guess we should stay the course....the freaking repubs are destroying this place, what does this guy need? I said "give up" facetiously.

[alcibiades_mystery]

31. Bill Clinton, as Nominee, trailing Ross Perot at this point, 1992

Nuf sed...

[democrattotheend]

32. Recent NJ poll showed Obama trouncing McCain

By a bigger margin than Hillary. Reverend Wright already surfaced once, so I can't for the life of me understand why it's hurting him again in the polls. I feel like people who were not going to vote for him because of it already jumped ship. It's so frustrating to see him getting hurt for something someone else did and said. None of the other candidates has been tarred with guilt by association the way he has.

[rug]

34. Don't worry, he won Wyoming.

[Hawaii Hiker]

35. What?? - Recent poll shows Obama beating McBush 56-32 in NJ

& 52-35 in New York... :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

http://electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Comparison/Maps/May01.html

http://electoral-vote.com/

I highly doubt Obama will lose NJ in a general election, & he will absolutely/postively not lose New York...

[SOS]

36. Re: New Jersey

Quinnipiac
04/10 - 04/16
1424 RV
45 McCain
41 Clinton
9 und.
McCain +4.0

Not looking to good for Clinton either.

[brentspeak]

37. I agree

Both Obama and Clinton have damaged one another. Edwards, however, would have no problem against McCain in NJ.

[FrenchieCat]

38. Old poll.

I linked to a poll in where Obama is trashing both Hillary and McCain.

[Hepburn]

39. I was at a birthday lunch this week ...

... and I live in SoCal ~~ Hillary is absolutely HATED to pieces here. <smile> And people who I would never in a million years imagine to be into politics ~~ Obama all the way. Interesting thing is that all these folks hate Hillary more than they dislike McCain and they will vote McCain if Hilly is the nom.

Hilly took Calif in the primary ~~ however, if we voted today, her numbers would be in the toilet...along with her campaign and her truthfulness.

Anyone else here from SoCal? What are you seeing in your area? I am South Bay ~~ Long Beach/Torrance area.

GOBAMA!!!!! :hi:

[BklynChick]

40. this is anecdotal. doesn't prove anything

[beachmom]

43. It didn't look good for Kerry either ... until he won it handily. NJ will stay blue. nt

[karynnj]

46. Maybe you need to look at the polls - Obama did better than HRC in the latest ones

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2008/04/poll_finds_obama_surges_past_c.html

Poll finds Obama surges past Clinton in NJ
by The Star-Ledger Continuous News Desk
Wednesday April 30, 2008, 5:37 AM

Only two months after U.S. Sen. Hillary Clinton scored 10-point presidential primary win in New Jersey vs. Sen. Barack Obama, the state's Democratic voters now say they prefer Obama for president by the same margin, a Monmouth University/Gannett New Jersey poll found, according to a report in the Asbury Park Press.

The report said in a head-to-head contest, John McCain -- the presumptive Republican presidential nominee -- would lose to either Democrat if the election were held today. The poll found that Obama would defeat McCain by 24 percentage points, while Clinton's victory margin would be 14 points.

"New Jersey Democrats see that Obama has the (nationwide) lead, and they feel he should win the nomination," Patrick Murray, director of the Monmouth University Polling Institute told the newspaper. "Democrats want to see the party united. They feel that if this (contest) goes on, it will hurt the party."

This is closer to what I hear - there are many Clinton voters who are horrified at some of the nastier Clinton moves. They like Obama more. PS I am active with my towns Democrats - though we are a minority, they are REALLY hoping its Obama because they have for the first time got the teens in the HS and young adults in the County College involved and they are excited.

PS Monmouth University polling institute is one of the more decent ones - Eagleton out of Rutgers is the only one I've heard of that is more respected.

[barack the house]

48. So NJ a blue state is going to go red given they know better. yeah ok.

The blue states will go red argument is illogical. Folks are sincerely going to look at gas and vote republican I thingk not.

[barack the house]

49. Stats say that real issues worry voters than a nutty pastor. Nice try.

[depakid]

50. "had Rev. Wright been in the public eye." Query: many of us knew about Wright

last summer and early fall.

The corporate media did as well, yet the candidate received kid glove treatment (in fact- he had by far the most positive media coverage of any candidate from either side) throughout 2007 and early 2008.

Why was that, do you suppose?

[olkaz]

51. Example: Today I went to the gym.

And people didn't seem to like Obama.

Outlook not looking good for Obama in Illinois!

[RBInMaine]

52. Were they R's?? Is this a scientific study??

[PM7nj]

55. Three people said it, so all 8 million of us must believe it!

Please...

[grantcart]

60. NJ shifting to Obama in a big way - posted last night on DU

Ever hear of 'google'? Before you post something sweeping about a candidate's performance in the entire state why not check around and get oh a fact or two?

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/newjersey/ny-bc-nj--presidentialpoll-0430apr30,0,5458012.story



Maybe the stupidest post of the week



TRENTON, N.J. - Support among New Jersey Democrats in the presidential race appears to be shifting to Barack Obama.

A Monmouth University/Gannett New Jersey poll finds 45 percent of the Democrats and Democrat-leaning independents surveyed would like to see Obama get the party's nomination compared to 38 percent for Hillary Clinton.

Clinton beat Obama in the state's Democratic primary in February by a 10-point margin.

Nearly 40 percent of the Democrats polled say the continuing battle between the presidential candidates will damage the party's chances in November.



The survey shows Republican John McCain would lose to either Democrat in the Garden State.

The telephone survey of 803 adults was conducted between April 24-28 and has a sampling error of plus or minus 3.7 percentage points.

[SoCalDem]

61. "some people" will not vote for him..just as "some people" will not vote for her and

"some people" will not vote for grandpa..

"some people" will always say things..and "some people" will always report what "some people" said, and how they are "worried" about the effect that "some people" may have on an election..

"some people" yawn, and fart in their general direction